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Memphis Jim
October 17th, 2003, 08:30 PM
Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October 29
and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less than
enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of anyone
with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the first
time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow trout).
Hiking to fish would be great (in Arkansas you generally get out of the car,
wade downstream a couple of hundred yards, and fish).

Here's my promise. If you suggest it; I'll fish it; and I'll come back here
and write about it (with location anonymity if requested).

If I don't get any suggestions, I'll of course contact the local fly shops
to get their recommendations.

Barring that, it's the South Holston in Tennessee and/or the North Fork
Mills River in North Carolina.

Memphis Jim

(Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation possibilities;
I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
trouble.)

Tim J.
October 17th, 2003, 08:54 PM
"Memphis Jim" wrote...

> (Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation possibilities;
> I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
> trouble.)

In the past few months, you've posted possible relocation plans. I couldn't help
noticing that you've left out a few states. Utah, Nevada, and Illinois (well, I
can certainly understand *that* one) have not been listed. Should I send along
the help wanted ads for those states? :)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Memphis Jim
October 17th, 2003, 09:14 PM
"Tim J." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Memphis Jim" wrote...
>
> > (Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation
possibilities;
> > I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
> > trouble.)
>
> In the past few months, you've posted possible relocation plans. I
couldn't help
> noticing that you've left out a few states. Utah, Nevada, and Illinois
(well, I
> can certainly understand *that* one) have not been listed. Should I send
along
> the help wanted ads for those states? :)
> --

If you have any diagnostic radiologist job listings around, send them on!

The list changes with the whims of my wife and myself. And many factors are
going into the list. I lived in St. Louis for three years, and tooled
around Illinois a bit, so I know just how flat most of Illinois is; and
trout water is somewhat scarce. Utah and Nevada are on the list. Right now
it's easier to name states that are off the list than those that are on it.

Right now the relocation stuff is just talk; but a year from now things will
really heat up with recruiters, interviews, and visits. The move will be in
June 2006, 2 1/2 years.

Memphis Jim

Tim J.
October 17th, 2003, 09:25 PM
"Memphis Jim" wrote...
<snip>
> Right now
> it's easier to name states that are off the list than those that are on it.

That was my point / joke. Obviously not very funny.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

ezflyfisher
October 17th, 2003, 09:31 PM
Memphis Jim wrote:

> Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October 29
> and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less than
> enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of anyone
> with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the first
> time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow trout).
> Hiking to fish would be great (in Arkansas you generally get out of the car,
> wade downstream a couple of hundred yards, and fish).
>
> Here's my promise. If you suggest it; I'll fish it; and I'll come back here
> and write about it (with location anonymity if requested).
>
> If I don't get any suggestions, I'll of course contact the local fly shops
> to get their recommendations.
>
> Barring that, it's the South Holston in Tennessee and/or the North Fork
> Mills River in North Carolina.
>
> Memphis Jim
>
> (Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation possibilities;
> I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
> trouble.)
>
>
>
>

Hey Jim,

I'd like to "go west" and hook up with you for some brookie chasin' but
I can't at that time.

Brookies..... think GSMNP streams.... above 3500' in elevation. You can
access the TN streams from the Gatlinburg area and the NC streams from
Bryson City.

-wally

North Carolina Flyfishin' & more!
http://www.ezflyfish.com
http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

Memphis Jim
October 17th, 2003, 09:33 PM
"Tim J." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Memphis Jim" wrote...
> <snip>
> > Right now
> > it's easier to name states that are off the list than those that are on
it.
>
> That was my point / joke. Obviously not very funny.
> --

A deadpan serious response will kill any joke. Years of being an attorney
can drive the humor out of anyone.

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 17th, 2003, 09:41 PM
> Hey Jim,
>
> I'd like to "go west" and hook up with you for some brookie chasin' but
> I can't at that time.
>
> Brookies..... think GSMNP streams.... above 3500' in elevation. You can
> access the TN streams from the Gatlinburg area and the NC streams from
> Bryson City.
>
> -wally
>
> North Carolina Flyfishin' & more!
> http://www.ezflyfish.com
> http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com


Wally:

I appreciate the information. I'll let you know how I do. I'd come by to
say hello, but the closest I'll get to you on my trip will be Boone.

Memphis Jim

JohnR
October 17th, 2003, 10:49 PM
Jim,

I live in Waynesville - Gateway to the Smokies. I can't make it to fish with
you but I'd think Cataloochee Creek in the Cataloochee section of the Park
(eastern side in Haywood Cty, NC) I know we did brook trout restoration
projects in that area so you'd be fishing for Southern Appalachian strain
brook trout.

Other areas are many of the small streams in the Cruso section of Haywood
County. Many of them have true native brook trout. A friend who used to
teach at WCU did a research study on them and they are still mostly S. App.
strain.

As to being a diagnostic radiologist, have you thought of Asheville? Large
and well-established medical community with two hospitals, a rehab hospital,
and a VA center. Also, if your wife is a teacher, about 40% of the teachers
in Haywood County are at or beyond their 30 years needed for retirement.

-John
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October 29
> and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less than
> enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of anyone
> with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the
first
> time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow
trout).
> Hiking to fish would be great (in Arkansas you generally get out of the
car,
> wade downstream a couple of hundred yards, and fish).
>
> Here's my promise. If you suggest it; I'll fish it; and I'll come back
here
> and write about it (with location anonymity if requested).
>
> If I don't get any suggestions, I'll of course contact the local fly shops
> to get their recommendations.
>
> Barring that, it's the South Holston in Tennessee and/or the North Fork
> Mills River in North Carolina.
>
> Memphis Jim
>
> (Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation
possibilities;
> I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
> trouble.)
>
>
>
>

Peter Charles
October 17th, 2003, 10:57 PM
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:14:05 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> wrote:

>
>
>
>If you have any diagnostic radiologist job listings around, send them on!
>

****, you could have your pick in Ontario . . .

>The list changes with the whims of my wife and myself. And many factors are
>going into the list. I lived in St. Louis for three years, and tooled
>around Illinois a bit, so I know just how flat most of Illinois is; and
>trout water is somewhat scarce. Utah and Nevada are on the list. Right now
>it's easier to name states that are off the list than those that are on it.
>
>Right now the relocation stuff is just talk; but a year from now things will
>really heat up with recruiters, interviews, and visits. The move will be in
>June 2006, 2 1/2 years.
>
>Memphis Jim
>
Good luck

Peter

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Memphis Jim
October 17th, 2003, 11:15 PM
"Peter Charles" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:14:05 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >If you have any diagnostic radiologist job listings around, send them on!
> >
>
> ****, you could have your pick in Ontario . . .
>

Peter, Peter, Peter:

You should know that American doctors and Canada don't mix.

Memphis Jim

Peter Charles
October 17th, 2003, 11:25 PM
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:15:40 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> wrote:

>
>"Peter Charles" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:14:05 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >If you have any diagnostic radiologist job listings around, send them on!
>> >
>>
>> ****, you could have your pick in Ontario . . .
>>
>
>Peter, Peter, Peter:
>
>You should know that American doctors and Canada don't mix.
>
>Memphis Jim
>


I know, that's why ours are coming home. :)



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Jeff Miller
October 18th, 2003, 12:22 AM
ok... here's the deal. drive to the junction on big snowbird creek,
south of robbinsville. park car. walk up the trail 6 miles - 5 miles
will probably do. start fishing, catch brookies. but, you gotta c&r.

jeff (well, he asked for it...and he "promised"...and, his wife *is* a
doctor)

Memphis Jim wrote:

> Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October 29
> and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less than
> enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of anyone
> with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the first
> time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow trout).
> Hiking to fish would be great (in Arkansas you generally get out of the car,
> wade downstream a couple of hundred yards, and fish).
>
> Here's my promise. If you suggest it; I'll fish it; and I'll come back here
> and write about it (with location anonymity if requested).
>
> If I don't get any suggestions, I'll of course contact the local fly shops
> to get their recommendations.
>
> Barring that, it's the South Holston in Tennessee and/or the North Fork
> Mills River in North Carolina.
>
> Memphis Jim
>
> (Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation possibilities;
> I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
> trouble.)
>
>
>
>

Jeff Miller
October 18th, 2003, 12:29 AM
well, hell, jim...you'll be drivin east of wally if you go to boone.
you might have yer geography a bit confused, eh? but, you are only a
lawyer, and folks around here tend to take that into account when you go
afishin about western nc.

jeff (grateful for the kindness of genuine fisherfolk)

Memphis Jim wrote:


>
>
> Wally:
>
> I appreciate the information. I'll let you know how I do. I'd come by to
> say hello, but the closest I'll get to you on my trip will be Boone.
>
> Memphis Jim
>
>

Jeff Miller
October 18th, 2003, 12:32 AM
john - his wife is the doctor. he's the one who'll be lookin for work.
<g> ... btw, any teaching jobs in graham county. i know a lawyer who
might enjoy being a high school teacher.

jeff

JohnR wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I live in Waynesville - Gateway to the Smokies. I can't make it to fish with
> you but I'd think Cataloochee Creek in the Cataloochee section of the Park
> (eastern side in Haywood Cty, NC) I know we did brook trout restoration
> projects in that area so you'd be fishing for Southern Appalachian strain
> brook trout.
>
> Other areas are many of the small streams in the Cruso section of Haywood
> County. Many of them have true native brook trout. A friend who used to
> teach at WCU did a research study on them and they are still mostly S. App.
> strain.
>
> As to being a diagnostic radiologist, have you thought of Asheville? Large
> and well-established medical community with two hospitals, a rehab hospital,
> and a VA center. Also, if your wife is a teacher, about 40% of the teachers
> in Haywood County are at or beyond their 30 years needed for retirement.
>
> -John
> "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October 29
>>and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less than
>>enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of anyone
>>with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the
>
> first
>
>>time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow
>
> trout).
>
>>Hiking to fish would be great (in Arkansas you generally get out of the
>
> car,
>
>>wade downstream a couple of hundred yards, and fish).
>>
>>Here's my promise. If you suggest it; I'll fish it; and I'll come back
>
> here
>
>>and write about it (with location anonymity if requested).
>>
>>If I don't get any suggestions, I'll of course contact the local fly shops
>>to get their recommendations.
>>
>>Barring that, it's the South Holston in Tennessee and/or the North Fork
>>Mills River in North Carolina.
>>
>>Memphis Jim
>>
>>(Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation
>
> possibilities;
>
>>I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
>>trouble.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

asadi
October 18th, 2003, 12:33 AM
Speaking of the park.

I'm sorry Jim, did you offer to by the beer? Actually, I read your post and
was sorry that I am stuck around here for a couple of more weeks -
probably;y be mid November before I can get out at all. Otherwise, I'd meet
up with you and guarantee you fish.

Anybody got any ideas for mid November?

Brook Trout:
http://www.nps.gov/grsm/gsmsite/troutPR.htm

If you keep a fish I will say derogatory things in mixed company when we
meet.....

For an all day hike, take the trailhead at Cades cove and go to the falls, I
doubt you will be able to fish you way back up in one day. Alternatively,
go 'past' the big elbow/oxbow/loop in the stream and fish it back up. It is
not as heavily pressured. Once on the loop you are committed.

This for a pretty outing and reasonable probability of success, located on
the north west quadrant, Tennessee access.

On your way to North Carolina take Newfound Gap Road and pull over at one of
the pull offs up around the Chimney Tops hiking trail. Hike down the road
and the walk, fall, slip, slide and tumble your way down to the West Prong
of the Little Pigeon and fish upstream to the bridge. Drive up to the bridge
first to get your bearings.

http://www.nps.gov/grsm/ppmaps/acf1c8f%2Epdf

You can also try the upper reaches of Straight Creek on the south east
quadrant. This one is rather more convenient as you can get back to your
car for lunch and refreshments.

Watch for the gorges and fish those as they don't get as much pressure,
you're committed

I don't carry any food on any of these streams. Damned bears.....have no
fear of humans, eat tourists purt near every year.

john
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October 29
> and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less than
> enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of anyone
> with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the
first
> time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow
trout).
> Hiking to fish would be great (in Arkansas you generally get out of the
car,
> wade downstream a couple of hundred yards, and fish).
>
> Here's my promise. If you suggest it; I'll fish it; and I'll come back
here
> and write about it (with location anonymity if requested).
>
> If I don't get any suggestions, I'll of course contact the local fly shops
> to get their recommendations.
>
> Barring that, it's the South Holston in Tennessee and/or the North Fork
> Mills River in North Carolina.
>
> Memphis Jim
>
> (Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation
possibilities;
> I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
> trouble.)
>
>
>
>

asadi
October 18th, 2003, 12:34 AM
PS, you'll find that these fish will tend to key in on a size and color as
opposed to a pattern. Greens (Tennessee wolf) is a good place to start.


"asadi" > wrote in message news:...
> Speaking of the park.
>
> I'm sorry Jim, did you offer to by the beer? Actually, I read your post
and
> was sorry that I am stuck around here for a couple of more weeks -
> probably;y be mid November before I can get out at all. Otherwise, I'd
meet
> up with you and guarantee you fish.
>
> Anybody got any ideas for mid November?
>
> Brook Trout:
> http://www.nps.gov/grsm/gsmsite/troutPR.htm
>
> If you keep a fish I will say derogatory things in mixed company when we
> meet.....
>
> For an all day hike, take the trailhead at Cades cove and go to the falls,
I
> doubt you will be able to fish you way back up in one day. Alternatively,
> go 'past' the big elbow/oxbow/loop in the stream and fish it back up. It
is
> not as heavily pressured. Once on the loop you are committed.
>
> This for a pretty outing and reasonable probability of success, located on
> the north west quadrant, Tennessee access.
>
> On your way to North Carolina take Newfound Gap Road and pull over at one
of
> the pull offs up around the Chimney Tops hiking trail. Hike down the road
> and the walk, fall, slip, slide and tumble your way down to the West Prong
> of the Little Pigeon and fish upstream to the bridge. Drive up to the
bridge
> first to get your bearings.
>
> http://www.nps.gov/grsm/ppmaps/acf1c8f%2Epdf
>
> You can also try the upper reaches of Straight Creek on the south east
> quadrant. This one is rather more convenient as you can get back to your
> car for lunch and refreshments.
>
> Watch for the gorges and fish those as they don't get as much pressure,
> you're committed
>
> I don't carry any food on any of these streams. Damned bears.....have no
> fear of humans, eat tourists purt near every year.
>
> john
> "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October
29
> > and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less
than
> > enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of
anyone
> > with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the
> first
> > time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow
> trout).
> > Hiking to fish would be great (in Arkansas you generally get out of the
> car,
> > wade downstream a couple of hundred yards, and fish).
> >
> > Here's my promise. If you suggest it; I'll fish it; and I'll come back
> here
> > and write about it (with location anonymity if requested).
> >
> > If I don't get any suggestions, I'll of course contact the local fly
shops
> > to get their recommendations.
> >
> > Barring that, it's the South Holston in Tennessee and/or the North Fork
> > Mills River in North Carolina.
> >
> > Memphis Jim
> >
> > (Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation
> possibilities;
> > I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
> > trouble.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

walt winter
October 18th, 2003, 01:26 AM
Memphis Jim wrote:
>>Hey Jim,
>>
>>I'd like to "go west" and hook up with you for some brookie chasin' but
>>I can't at that time.
>>
>>Brookies..... think GSMNP streams.... above 3500' in elevation. You can
>>access the TN streams from the Gatlinburg area and the NC streams from
>>Bryson City.
>>
>>-wally
>>
>>North Carolina Flyfishin' & more!
>>http://www.ezflyfish.com
>>http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com
>
>
>
> Wally:
>
> I appreciate the information. I'll let you know how I do. I'd come by to
> say hello, but the closest I'll get to you on my trip will be Boone.
>
> Memphis Jim
>
>

well hell jimbo.... if yer gonna be in boone (my homewaters btw),
i'd be pleased as all hell to show ya jeffies (that inebriated
attorney from down east somewhere) favorite brookie stream ;-)

holler at me at the shop when ya got one of them yellow pad
itenerary thingees fudged up..... i'll cut loose some which way
or other and will chase dem lil jewels....

wally

walt winter
October 18th, 2003, 01:33 AM
JohnR wrote:
>

Richardson, is that you?

welcome to ROFF.... hope all is well in your neck of the woods.

--wally

that flyshop guy... ezflyfish

Wayne Knight
October 18th, 2003, 03:18 AM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> If you have any diagnostic radiologist job listings around, send them on!
>
From a hospital business perspective do you have any freeking idea how hard
it is to recruit a BC/BE Radiologist these days? Hell if she goes on and
does an invasive fellowship you would never have to practice law again. My
daughter enters med school next year, she was thinking FP till I showed her
the compensation packages for the radiologist i was trying to recuit at the
time? I'm sure central Kansas is not even on your radar screen but one of my
former competors hired their radiologist in at a base of 500K with no call
and weekends.

> The list changes with the whims of my wife and myself. And many factors
are
> going into the list. I lived in St. Louis for three years, and tooled
> around Illinois a bit, so I know just how flat most of Illinois is; and
> trout water is somewhat scarce. Utah and Nevada are on the list. Right
now
> it's easier to name states that are off the list than those that are on
it.
>

Seriously, Western and Northern Wisconsin are great places and the trout
fishing is pretty damn good but the season is too darn short. And you get
part of the Driftless country in SE MN. Traverse City and Petrosky in
Northern Michigan are pretty cool too (I know-it is not MN)

> Right now the relocation stuff is just talk; but a year from now things
will
> really heat up with recruiters, interviews, and visits. The move will be
in
> June 2006, 2 1/2 years.

Oh the choices she (and you) are gonna get.

Good luck

Wayne

Wayne Knight
October 18th, 2003, 03:24 AM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October 29
> and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less than
> enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of anyone
> with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the
first
> time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow
trout).

1. The Little River (TN)
2. Abrahms (TN)
3. Deep Creek (NC)
4. Santeelah Creek (NC)
5. The Tellico WMA (TN)
6. Cataloochee Creek (NC)

Fly shops

1. Little River Fly shop - Townsend
2. Hunter Banks-Asheville
3. Lowes -Waynesville

If the wife is going, there's a great inn in Townsend.

Bob Patton
October 18th, 2003, 04:00 AM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, my entreaty and invitation for a fishing partner between October 29
> and November 1 in the Tennessee/North Carolina mountain area was less than
> enthusiastically received. But I'd still appreciate the advice of anyone
> with an opinion as to good places for a flyfisher in the area for the
first
> time to catch brook trout (and to a lesser extent brown and rainbow
trout).
> Hiking to fish would be great (in Arkansas you generally get out of the
car,
> wade downstream a couple of hundred yards, and fish).
//snip//

You've had some real good advice. Here's another thought: as you go from
K-ville to Asheville, instead of taking I-40 take US 441 from Gatlinburg to
Cherokee. This will take you across some of the most spectacular country
east of Mud Island. :-)

As you come down off the mountain and approach Cherokee you will be driving
beside the Oconaluftee river. It's a pretty stream right beside the highway,
and you can stop at your leisure and fling a fly for a while. Parts of that
stream are managed by the Cherokee tribe and part is in the Great Smoky
Mountains National Park, so check out license requirements.

If I was in the vicinity I'd join you somewhere.
Bob

October 18th, 2003, 07:04 AM
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:30:00 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> wrote:


>
>(Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation possibilities;
>I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
>trouble.)

SE MN has some very nice trout fishing. As does a whole bunch of W
and N WI. And the Superiour shore and tributaries in both are good.
Both states have plenty of water for other fish, too. Unfortunately
there are long seasons up here where you can't trout fish and the
water goes all strange and hard, except right where you'll fall in and
disappear until spring. You can sit in little shacks on top of the
hard water and jiggle a piece of string for part of that time. If you
don't do the falling in thing, that is.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

asadi
October 19th, 2003, 02:45 PM
I've been shanty fishing a time or two. Up around the islands in Lake Erie,
they drive you out to the pre-heated shanty. Bring you a hot lunch and more
beer. Your apartment you rent is over top of the bar....I have to go with
someone who will keep the fish....but I sure enjoy the time out....

john

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:30:00 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >
> >(Now my wife is thinking Wisconsin or Minnesota as relocation
possibilities;
> >I knew those good midwestern public education systems would give me
> >trouble.)
>
> SE MN has some very nice trout fishing. As does a whole bunch of W
> and N WI. And the Superiour shore and tributaries in both are good.
> Both states have plenty of water for other fish, too. Unfortunately
> there are long seasons up here where you can't trout fish and the
> water goes all strange and hard, except right where you'll fall in and
> disappear until spring. You can sit in little shacks on top of the
> hard water and jiggle a piece of string for part of that time. If you
> don't do the falling in thing, that is.
> --
>
> rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
> Often taunted by trout.
> Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely
on it.
>
> http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 08:51 PM
> >> >
> >> >If you have any diagnostic radiologist job listings around, send them
on!
> >> >
> >>
> >> ****, you could have your pick in Ontario . . .
> >>
> >
> >Peter, Peter, Peter:
> >
> >You should know that American doctors and Canada don't mix.
> >
> >Memphis Jim
> >
>
>
> I know, that's why ours are coming home. :)
>
>

Speaking of Canada, Peter, I watched the Michael Moore movie, Bowling for
Columbine, yesterday. I don't know if you've seen it, but there's a section
of the movie that contasts Canada with the U.S. Moore goes to Toronto to
discuss why Americans are so violent, but Canadians aren't. He points out
that Canadians problably have more firearms per capita than Americans do,
but the Canadian firearms death rate is miniscule compared to that in the
United States. When several people tell him they do not lock their doors at
night, Moore walks through a residential Toronto street, opening the front
doors of houses, and walking in. Every one of them is unlocked. As he
goes, he thanks the residents for not shooting.

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 08:59 PM
"Wayne Knight" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > If you have any diagnostic radiologist job listings around, send them
on!
> >
> From a hospital business perspective do you have any freeking idea how
hard
> it is to recruit a BC/BE Radiologist these days? Hell if she goes on and
> does an invasive fellowship you would never have to practice law again. My
> daughter enters med school next year, she was thinking FP till I showed
her
> the compensation packages for the radiologist i was trying to recuit at
the
> time? I'm sure central Kansas is not even on your radar screen but one of
my
> former competors hired their radiologist in at a base of 500K with no call
> and weekends.
>
> > The list changes with the whims of my wife and myself. And many factors
> are
> > going into the list. I lived in St. Louis for three years, and tooled
> > around Illinois a bit, so I know just how flat most of Illinois is; and
> > trout water is somewhat scarce. Utah and Nevada are on the list. Right
> now
> > it's easier to name states that are off the list than those that are on
> it.
> >
>
> Seriously, Western and Northern Wisconsin are great places and the trout
> fishing is pretty damn good but the season is too darn short. And you get
> part of the Driftless country in SE MN. Traverse City and Petrosky in
> Northern Michigan are pretty cool too (I know-it is not MN)
>
> > Right now the relocation stuff is just talk; but a year from now things
> will
> > really heat up with recruiters, interviews, and visits. The move will
be
> in
> > June 2006, 2 1/2 years.
>
> Oh the choices she (and you) are gonna get.
>
> Good luck
>
> Wayne
>


Wayne,

I appreciate the post. The upper-Midwest is a strong possibility for us for
a number of reasons. First, one of the most perfect hours my wife and I
spent in our lives was standing behind the UW Madison student union in
January eating UW orange ice cream. If a position opened up in Madison, we
would likely end up there. Second, I've heard many good things about the
trout fishing in the driftless area. Third, I think I would enjoy living in
a state that made public education a priority (sorry Tennessee), states like
Kansas, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota. The compensation packages are bad
either.

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 09:10 PM
"Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
news:c%_jb.84770$AH4.30839@lakeread06...
> well, hell, jim...you'll be drivin east of wally if you go to boone.
> you might have yer geography a bit confused, eh? but, you are only a
> lawyer, and folks around here tend to take that into account when you go
> afishin about western nc.
>

I thought from his hypertexts to ezyfish.com that he was in Morganton. My
jiffy Rand McNally '02 Road Atlas says that Boone and Blowing Rock are North
of Morganton.

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 09:13 PM
> >
>
> well hell jimbo.... if yer gonna be in boone (my homewaters btw),
> i'd be pleased as all hell to show ya jeffies (that inebriated
> attorney from down east somewhere) favorite brookie stream ;-)
>
> holler at me at the shop when ya got one of them yellow pad
> itenerary thingees fudged up..... i'll cut loose some which way
> or other and will chase dem lil jewels....
>
> wally
>

Well that sounds great Wally. By the time I get to Boone, my wife and kids
will have caught up with me, but I'd love to stop in and say hello. Now
where's that shop??

Memphis Jim

Stan Gula
October 21st, 2003, 10:01 PM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...

> Well that sounds great Wally. By the time I get to Boone, my wife and
kids
> will have caught up with me, but I'd love to stop in and say hello. Now
> where's that shop??
>
> Memphis Jim

I'm not Walt, but I am a geek: http://tinyurl.com/rsvt

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 10:24 PM
> I live in Waynesville - Gateway to the Smokies. I can't make it to fish
with
> you but I'd think Cataloochee Creek in the Cataloochee section of the Park
> (eastern side in Haywood Cty, NC) I know we did brook trout restoration
> projects in that area so you'd be fishing for Southern Appalachian strain
> brook trout.
>
> Other areas are many of the small streams in the Cruso section of Haywood
> County. Many of them have true native brook trout. A friend who used to
> teach at WCU did a research study on them and they are still mostly S.
App.
> strain.
>
> As to being a diagnostic radiologist, have you thought of Asheville? Large
> and well-established medical community with two hospitals, a rehab
hospital,
> and a VA center. Also, if your wife is a teacher, about 40% of the
teachers
> in Haywood County are at or beyond their 30 years needed for retirement.
>

John,

I appreciate the recommendations; those sound great.

To answer your question, we are most certainly considering Asheville. My
wife's brother lives there, and we have visited frequently. The word's out
on Asheville. Probably 10% of the population of the flat parts of the South
dream of relocating to Asheville 'some day.'

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 10:28 PM
"Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
news:tV_jb.84728$AH4.34690@lakeread06...
> ok... here's the deal. drive to the junction on big snowbird creek,
> south of robbinsville. park car. walk up the trail 6 miles - 5 miles
> will probably do. start fishing, catch brookies. but, you gotta c&r.
>
> jeff (well, he asked for it...and he "promised"...and, his wife *is* a
> doctor)
>

Wow Jeff, you are the second person to recommend Big Snowbird Creek. I'm
starting to get some triangulation. So, how big are the bolders I'll need
to amble over?

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 11:48 PM
"Stan Gula" > wrote in message
...
> "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Well that sounds great Wally. By the time I get to Boone, my wife and
> kids
> > will have caught up with me, but I'd love to stop in and say hello. Now
> > where's that shop??
> >
> > Memphis Jim
>
> I'm not Walt, but I am a geek: http://tinyurl.com/rsvt
>

I say this at least once a day . . . my children will grow up never
understanding what it was like to not get whatever information they need in
the world by typing in a few keys.

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 11:50 PM
>
> 1. The Little River (TN)
> 2. Abrahms (TN)
> 3. Deep Creek (NC)
> 4. Santeelah Creek (NC)
> 5. The Tellico WMA (TN)
> 6. Cataloochee Creek (NC)
>
> Fly shops
>
> 1. Little River Fly shop - Townsend
> 2. Hunter Banks-Asheville
> 3. Lowes -Waynesville
>
> If the wife is going, there's a great inn in Townsend.


Looks like a great list. Thanks!

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 21st, 2003, 11:53 PM
> You've had some real good advice. Here's another thought: as you go from
> K-ville to Asheville, instead of taking I-40 take US 441 from Gatlinburg
to
> Cherokee. This will take you across some of the most spectacular country
> east of Mud Island. :-)
>
> As you come down off the mountain and approach Cherokee you will be
driving
> beside the Oconaluftee river. It's a pretty stream right beside the
highway,
> and you can stop at your leisure and fling a fly for a while. Parts of
that
> stream are managed by the Cherokee tribe and part is in the Great Smoky
> Mountains National Park, so check out license requirements.
>
> If I was in the vicinity I'd join you somewhere.
> Bob
>
>
Bob,

That's just the sort of road I had in mind. Few years ago when I had a
court hearing in Greeneville, Tennessee, I stayed in Asheville and drove the
back was to Greeneville. The only car the rental company had available was
a Grand Am. I was a harrowing invigorating ride.

Memphis Jim

Wayne Knight
October 22nd, 2003, 06:04 AM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
>

> I appreciate the post. The upper-Midwest is a strong possibility for us
for
> a number of reasons. First, one of the most perfect hours my wife and I
> spent in our lives was standing behind the UW Madison student union in
> January eating UW orange ice cream. If a position opened up in Madison,
we
> would likely end up there. Second, I've heard many good things about the
> trout fishing in the driftless area. Third, I think I would enjoy living
in
> a state that made public education a priority (sorry Tennessee),

When I was based in Chicago, I really enjoyed my trips to SW Wisconsin. And
I got to visit a few Nothern Wisconsin streams which I long to revisit,
especially the Prarie. Even though I have just relocated to Indiana from SW
Kansas, I would pull up stakes and move to Western or Northern Wisconsion
without thinking twice.

Like I say your wife is going to have loads of options and you two should be
able to fairly much write your own ticket depending upon your choice of
practice locations and lifestyles. If I can help from a hospital business
perspective feel free to drop me a note.

Wayne K.

Wayne Knight
October 22nd, 2003, 06:05 AM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
>

> Looks like a great list. Thanks!
>
You're welcome. I really liked fishing the Little River and the park
accesses out of Townsend.

Wayne K.


>

Wolfgang
October 22nd, 2003, 11:33 AM
"Wayne Knight" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
>
> > I appreciate the post. The upper-Midwest is a strong possibility for us
> for
> > a number of reasons. First, one of the most perfect hours my wife and I
> > spent in our lives was standing behind the UW Madison student union in
> > January eating UW orange ice cream. If a position opened up in Madison,
> we
> > would likely end up there. Second, I've heard many good things about the
> > trout fishing in the driftless area. Third, I think I would enjoy living
> in
> > a state that made public education a priority (sorry Tennessee),
>
> When I was based in Chicago, I really enjoyed my trips to SW Wisconsin.
And
> I got to visit a few Nothern Wisconsin streams which I long to revisit,
> especially the Prarie. Even though I have just relocated to Indiana from
SW
> Kansas, I would pull up stakes and move to Western or Northern Wisconsion
> without thinking twice.
>
> Like I say your wife is going to have loads of options and you two should
be
> able to fairly much write your own ticket depending upon your choice of
> practice locations and lifestyles. If I can help from a hospital business
> perspective feel free to drop me a note.
>
> Wayne K.

Ditto Wayne's recommendations. I'm not very familiar with the streams of
the southwest, but have fished a lot of the water in the central and
northern parts of the state. There is more good trout water here than you
can cover in a lifetime, and then there's all of the warm water fishing and
the Great lakes as well.

Obviously, there are fewer job opportunities in the relatively sparsely
populated northern half of the state, but there are a few likely candidates
in the Marshfield, Stevens Point, Wausau area, in north-central WI.
Milwaukee, as the major population center, has the highest concentration of
suitable health care facilities. St. Josephs hospital and the Milwaukee
regional medical complex, which includes the Medical College of Wisconsin,
Children's Hospital of Wisconsin, and Froedtert Memorial Lutheran Hospital,
are the largest facilities here, but there are also a number of others.
Although there isn't any decent trout fishing in the immediate area
(excepting Lake Michigan charter boats and spawning runs up the
tributaries), a two hour drive will put you in the heart of the central
streams.

Um.......unfortunately, we already got all the lawyers and fly fishers we
need. However, if you were willing to consider a career change......say
maybe cheap immigrant laborer.....I'm sure you'd be welcome. :)

Wolfgang

Jeff Miller
October 22nd, 2003, 01:15 PM
Wolfgang wrote:


> Um.......unfortunately, we already got all the lawyers and fly fishers we
> need. However, if you were willing to consider a career change......say
> maybe cheap immigrant laborer.....I'm sure you'd be welcome. :)
>
>

from my brief drive about, i'd say a good cow**** de-scenter could make
a de(s)cent living in the rural areas of WI. <g>

jeff (who's had plenty of experience in the bull-, cow-, horse-****tin
end...)

Jeff Miller
October 22nd, 2003, 01:17 PM
wally's shop is in morganton...his home is between foscoe and boone. ol
wally does a lot of driving between the two.

jeff

Memphis Jim wrote:

> "Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
> news:c%_jb.84770$AH4.30839@lakeread06...
>
>>well, hell, jim...you'll be drivin east of wally if you go to boone.
>>you might have yer geography a bit confused, eh? but, you are only a
>>lawyer, and folks around here tend to take that into account when you go
>>afishin about western nc.
>>
>
>
> I thought from his hypertexts to ezyfish.com that he was in Morganton. My
> jiffy Rand McNally '02 Road Atlas says that Boone and Blowing Rock are North
> of Morganton.
>
> Memphis Jim
>
>

Jeff Miller
October 22nd, 2003, 01:24 PM
ok...now that we have spoken the name...you must never mention it
publicly again. <g> it's getting a lot of attention in tourist
magazines, so it's ruin is nigh.

anyway, think long walk (the trail is good to above lower falls), rhodos
and steep banks... i don't think the rocks are the main challenge.

jeff

Memphis Jim wrote:

> "Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
> news:tV_jb.84728$AH4.34690@lakeread06...
>
>>ok... here's the deal. drive to the junction on big snowbird creek,
>>south of robbinsville. park car. walk up the trail 6 miles - 5 miles
>>will probably do. start fishing, catch brookies. but, you gotta c&r.
>>
>>jeff (well, he asked for it...and he "promised"...and, his wife *is* a
>>doctor)
>>
>
>
> Wow Jeff, you are the second person to recommend Big Snowbird Creek. I'm
> starting to get some triangulation. So, how big are the bolders I'll need
> to amble over?
>
> Memphis Jim
>
>

Memphis Jim
October 22nd, 2003, 03:34 PM
Wayne:

> Like I say your wife is going to have loads of options and you two should
be
> able to fairly much write your own ticket depending upon your choice of
> practice locations and lifestyles. If I can help from a hospital business
> perspective feel free to drop me a note.
>

Things would be really great if we hadn't run up $300,000 in debt getting to
this point. Taking the route we have is sort of like playing high stakes
poker with your life. If everything works out it is good, but so many
things can go wrong.

Email me with more specific details about your profession and location. I
am learning more and more that there are few things more important than
contacts, and there's a good chance we'll be contacting you with some
questions before this job search plays out.

Memphis Jim

walt winter
October 22nd, 2003, 03:42 PM
Memphis Jim wrote:
>>well hell jimbo.... if yer gonna be in boone (my homewaters btw),
>>i'd be pleased as all hell to show ya jeffies (that inebriated
>>attorney from down east somewhere) favorite brookie stream ;-)
>>
>>holler at me at the shop when ya got one of them yellow pad
>>itenerary thingees fudged up..... i'll cut loose some which way
>>or other and will chase dem lil jewels....
>>
>>wally
>>
>
>
> Well that sounds great Wally. By the time I get to Boone, my wife and kids
> will have caught up with me, but I'd love to stop in and say hello. Now
> where's that shop??
>
> Memphis Jim
>
>

jim, the shop is in morganton about 50 miles downslope from
boone. i live in foscoe, about 10 miles from boone.

if ya wanna fish, i'll need some lead time notice to make
arrangements at the shop.

--wally

Memphis Jim
October 22nd, 2003, 03:45 PM
>
> well hell jimbo.... if yer gonna be in boone (my homewaters btw),
> i'd be pleased as all hell to show ya jeffies (that inebriated
> attorney from down east somewhere) favorite brookie stream ;-)
>
> holler at me at the shop when ya got one of them yellow pad
> itenerary thingees fudged up..... i'll cut loose some which way
> or other and will chase dem lil jewels....
>
> wally
>
>

Hey Wally,

After reading your email a couple of times, it seems to me that I can make
my way to Boone before my wife and kids arrive, if I can convince you to
drown some flies with me. Like I wrote, I have a couple of days with
nothing specific planned, and I can just as easily drive to Boone as
anywhere else.

We're talking next Thursday afternoon, Friday, or Saturday morning. Friday
would be the best day.

Let me know if this is a possibility. I'll take fishing with someone else
over fishing alone. If we come upon a bear, I'll need someone to outrun.

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 22nd, 2003, 03:52 PM
>
> jim, the shop is in morganton about 50 miles downslope from
> boone. i live in foscoe, about 10 miles from boone.
>
> if ya wanna fish, i'll need some lead time notice to make
> arrangements at the shop.
>
> --wally
>

Wally:

We've crossed posts. My most recent one (five minutes ago) has more
specific information regarding days. If you want to set a date and time
certain to meet up, next Friday will be the best day. I am in favor of
pinning it down.

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 22nd, 2003, 04:18 PM
"Wolfgang" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Wayne Knight" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> >
> > > I appreciate the post. The upper-Midwest is a strong possibility for
us
> > for
> > > a number of reasons. First, one of the most perfect hours my wife and
I
> > > spent in our lives was standing behind the UW Madison student union in
> > > January eating UW orange ice cream. If a position opened up in
Madison,
> > we
> > > would likely end up there. Second, I've heard many good things about
the
> > > trout fishing in the driftless area. Third, I think I would enjoy
living
> > in
> > > a state that made public education a priority (sorry Tennessee),
> >
> > When I was based in Chicago, I really enjoyed my trips to SW Wisconsin.
> And
> > I got to visit a few Nothern Wisconsin streams which I long to revisit,
> > especially the Prarie. Even though I have just relocated to Indiana from
> SW
> > Kansas, I would pull up stakes and move to Western or Northern
Wisconsion
> > without thinking twice.
> >
> > Like I say your wife is going to have loads of options and you two
should
> be
> > able to fairly much write your own ticket depending upon your choice of
> > practice locations and lifestyles. If I can help from a hospital
business
> > perspective feel free to drop me a note.
> >
> > Wayne K.
>
> Ditto Wayne's recommendations. I'm not very familiar with the streams of
> the southwest, but have fished a lot of the water in the central and
> northern parts of the state. There is more good trout water here than you
> can cover in a lifetime, and then there's all of the warm water fishing
and
> the Great lakes as well.
>
> Obviously, there are fewer job opportunities in the relatively sparsely
> populated northern half of the state, but there are a few likely
candidates
> in the Marshfield, Stevens Point, Wausau area, in north-central WI.
> Milwaukee, as the major population center, has the highest concentration
of
> suitable health care facilities. St. Josephs hospital and the Milwaukee
> regional medical complex, which includes the Medical College of Wisconsin,
> Children's Hospital of Wisconsin, and Froedtert Memorial Lutheran
Hospital,
> are the largest facilities here, but there are also a number of others.
> Although there isn't any decent trout fishing in the immediate area
> (excepting Lake Michigan charter boats and spawning runs up the
> tributaries), a two hour drive will put you in the heart of the central
> streams.
>
> Um.......unfortunately, we already got all the lawyers and fly fishers we
> need. However, if you were willing to consider a career change......say
> maybe cheap immigrant laborer.....I'm sure you'd be welcome. :)
>
> Wolfgang
>

Wolfgang:

America is such a land of opportunity, there's always room for one more
lawyer. Why, we make our own work.

Memphis Jim

I have always wondered, why is the fishing in the boundary waters area
warmwater (bass, etc.) while there is an abundance of trout water in
Wisconsin. Is it because of an abundance of spring fed water? Or is this
just a stupid question?

Memphis Jim

Ken Fortenberry
October 22nd, 2003, 04:25 PM
Memphis Jim wrote:
> ...
> I have always wondered, why is the fishing in the boundary waters area
> warmwater (bass, etc.) while there is an abundance of trout water in
> Wisconsin. Is it because of an abundance of spring fed water? Or is this
> just a stupid question?

Why do you assume that the boundary waters area has only warmwater
fishing ?

I made the mistake of posting a TR about native brookies in <CENSORED>
sometime back, I won't ever make that mistake again, but I will say
that if you're willing to slog through some bogs and suffer a couple
million mosquito bites you can find 14" wild, native, beautiful brook
trout in <CENSORED>.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Memphis Jim
October 22nd, 2003, 04:38 PM
"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
.com...
> Memphis Jim wrote:
> > ...
> > I have always wondered, why is the fishing in the boundary waters area
> > warmwater (bass, etc.) while there is an abundance of trout water in
> > Wisconsin. Is it because of an abundance of spring fed water? Or is
this
> > just a stupid question?
>
> Why do you assume that the boundary waters area has only warmwater
> fishing ?
>

The people from my Memphis trout fishing club took a guided trip up there,
and reported that it was mostly bass fishing. They had obviously been told
that it was generally a warmwater fishery. Of course it is a f--n' huge
area.

Memphis Jim

George Cleveland
October 22nd, 2003, 04:40 PM
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:18:33 -0500, "Memphis Jim" >
wrote:

>
>"Wolfgang" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Wayne Knight" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >
>> >
>> > > I appreciate the post. The upper-Midwest is a strong possibility for
>us
>> > for
>> > > a number of reasons. First, one of the most perfect hours my wife and
>I
>> > > spent in our lives was standing behind the UW Madison student union in
>> > > January eating UW orange ice cream. If a position opened up in
>Madison,
>> > we
>> > > would likely end up there. Second, I've heard many good things about
>the
>> > > trout fishing in the driftless area. Third, I think I would enjoy
>living
>> > in
>> > > a state that made public education a priority (sorry Tennessee),
>> >
>> > When I was based in Chicago, I really enjoyed my trips to SW Wisconsin.
>> And
>> > I got to visit a few Nothern Wisconsin streams which I long to revisit,
>> > especially the Prarie. Even though I have just relocated to Indiana from
>> SW
>> > Kansas, I would pull up stakes and move to Western or Northern
>Wisconsion
>> > without thinking twice.
>> >
>> > Like I say your wife is going to have loads of options and you two
>should
>> be
>> > able to fairly much write your own ticket depending upon your choice of
>> > practice locations and lifestyles. If I can help from a hospital
>business
>> > perspective feel free to drop me a note.
>> >
>> > Wayne K.
>>
>> Ditto Wayne's recommendations. I'm not very familiar with the streams of
>> the southwest, but have fished a lot of the water in the central and
>> northern parts of the state. There is more good trout water here than you
>> can cover in a lifetime, and then there's all of the warm water fishing
>and
>> the Great lakes as well.
>>
>> Obviously, there are fewer job opportunities in the relatively sparsely
>> populated northern half of the state, but there are a few likely
>candidates
>> in the Marshfield, Stevens Point, Wausau area, in north-central WI.
>> Milwaukee, as the major population center, has the highest concentration
>of
>> suitable health care facilities. St. Josephs hospital and the Milwaukee
>> regional medical complex, which includes the Medical College of Wisconsin,
>> Children's Hospital of Wisconsin, and Froedtert Memorial Lutheran
>Hospital,
>> are the largest facilities here, but there are also a number of others.
>> Although there isn't any decent trout fishing in the immediate area
>> (excepting Lake Michigan charter boats and spawning runs up the
>> tributaries), a two hour drive will put you in the heart of the central
>> streams.
>>
>> Um.......unfortunately, we already got all the lawyers and fly fishers we
>> need. However, if you were willing to consider a career change......say
>> maybe cheap immigrant laborer.....I'm sure you'd be welcome. :)
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>
>Wolfgang:
>
>America is such a land of opportunity, there's always room for one more
>lawyer. Why, we make our own work.
>
>Memphis Jim
>
>I have always wondered, why is the fishing in the boundary waters area
>warmwater (bass, etc.) while there is an abundance of trout water in
>Wisconsin. Is it because of an abundance of spring fed water? Or is this
>just a stupid question?
>
>Memphis Jim
>
>
Not a stupid question at all. I don't know the answer but its not a stupid
question. I suspect that it is because of the topography. While the BWCA has a
lot of rapids, the rivers usually flow into a lake after a very short run and
the water is just too warm when it hits the next stretch of rapids. There are a
few streams that drop down to Lake Superior that contain native brookies as well
as one that skirts the south side of the BWCA, but I think its the rivers
dropping off the Canadian Shield ( a huge, ancient granitic upwelling) in
northern Wisconsin that gives us our freestone trout rivers. The S.W. part of
the state has a completely different geology and water regimen. Lots of springs
flowing through an alkaline substrate. Marshfield, by the way, has a good
medical infrastructure but fishing in the immediate area ranges from "it sucks"
to "non-existent". Personaly I'd look to relocate elsewhere.
g.c.

Wolfgang
October 22nd, 2003, 04:42 PM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
>
> America is such a land of opportunity, there's always room for one
more
> lawyer. Why, we make our own work.

Handy trick, that. :)

> I have always wondered, why is the fishing in the boundary waters
area
> warmwater (bass, etc.) while there is an abundance of trout water in
> Wisconsin. Is it because of an abundance of spring fed water?

I've never been to the boundary waters, myself. Nevertheless, I'm
sure the situation there is much the same as in the lakes region of
northern Wisconsin. There is a broad relatively flat upland that
extends roughly east to west across a large portion of this area. The
last continental glacier gouge tens of thousands of holes in the
region that filled up with water when the glacier receed.
Geologically, the entire area is much too young for streams to have
altered the landscape much.....it is still flat and relatively uncut
by moving water. In essence, all that standing water has nowhere to
go, so it sits there as lakes. By and large, the lakes are too small
and shallow to retain enough cold oxygenated water to support trout or
other cold water species despite fairly short and cool summers, though
there are a few exceptions. There are similar areas scattered
throughout most of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota, the driftless
zone of SW Wisconsin being a notable exception. This region was
beyond the reach of the Wisconsin glaciation and thus retains a much
more rugged topography than most of the rest. Naturally, the greater
average relief in the driftless zone means there are more streams per
unit area and thus more suitable habitat for trout. The surprising
thing is that there actually is so MUCH good trout water in the region
despite a low average gradient, the vast bulk of it, the driftless
zone notwithstanding, in the northern halves of Michigan and
Wisconsin. Springs do play a large in sustaining suitable habitat for
the salmonids, but latitude is probably at least as important.

> Or is this just a stupid question?

They ALL are! :)

Wolfgang

Wolfgang
October 22nd, 2003, 04:47 PM
"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> ....Marshfield, by the way, has a good
> medical infrastructure but fishing in the immediate area ranges from
"it sucks"
> to "non-existent".

True, but good fishing is not all that far away.....reasonable
commuting distance, I'd say.

> Personaly I'd look to relocate elsewhere.

Idaho, perhaps? :)

Wolfgang

George Cleveland
October 22nd, 2003, 04:55 PM
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:47:29 -0500, "Wolfgang" > wrote:

>
>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>> ....Marshfield, by the way, has a good
>> medical infrastructure but fishing in the immediate area ranges from
>"it sucks"
>> to "non-existent".
>
>True, but good fishing is not all that far away.....reasonable
>commuting distance, I'd say.

I'm spoiled. I admit it.

>> Personaly I'd look to relocate elsewhere.
>
>Idaho, perhaps? :)
>
>Wolfgang
>
>
No not Idaho. Maybe right across the border, either in Canada or Montan (as in
"good bye old Paint, I'm a-leavin' Montan" fame). Everyone knows there's nothing
in Idaho but potato(e)s, AryanNationalists and wolf-chewed elk.

g.c.

Wolfgang
October 22nd, 2003, 05:00 PM
"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:47:29 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
wrote:
>
> >
> >"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> ....Marshfield, by the way, has a good
> >> medical infrastructure but fishing in the immediate area ranges
from
> >"it sucks"
> >> to "non-existent".
> >
> >True, but good fishing is not all that far away.....reasonable
> >commuting distance, I'd say.
>
> I'm spoiled. I admit it.
>
> >> Personaly I'd look to relocate elsewhere.
> >
> >Idaho, perhaps? :)
> >
> >Wolfgang
> >
> >
> No not Idaho. Maybe right across the border, either in Canada or
Montan (as in
> "good bye old Paint, I'm a-leavin' Montan" fame). Everyone knows
there's nothing
> in Idaho but potato(e)s, AryanNationalists and wolf-chewed elk.

I did NOT chew that elk!

Wolfgang
damn!.......get blamed for everything. :(

George Cleveland
October 22nd, 2003, 05:10 PM
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:00:50 -0500, "Wolfgang" > wrote:

>
>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:47:29 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
>wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> ....Marshfield, by the way, has a good
>> >> medical infrastructure but fishing in the immediate area ranges
>from
>> >"it sucks"
>> >> to "non-existent".
>> >
>> >True, but good fishing is not all that far away.....reasonable
>> >commuting distance, I'd say.
>>
>> I'm spoiled. I admit it.
>>
>> >> Personaly I'd look to relocate elsewhere.
>> >
>> >Idaho, perhaps? :)
>> >
>> >Wolfgang
>> >
>> >
>> No not Idaho. Maybe right across the border, either in Canada or
>Montan (as in
>> "good bye old Paint, I'm a-leavin' Montan" fame). Everyone knows
>there's nothing
>> in Idaho but potato(e)s, AryanNationalists and wolf-chewed elk.
>
>I did NOT chew that elk!
>
>Wolfgang
>damn!.......get blamed for everything. :(
>
>
I never thought you did. You would have covered (slathered is a better term, I
suppose) it first with clarified butter and rolled it in quantities of obscure
Italian seasonings and weeds. That hasn't been reported yet at alt.wolves.

g.c.

Who, to his chagrin, must correct the song lyrics he posted. He's a-leavin old
Paint in Cheyenne not Montan. Although he does bid ado to little Annie because
he's "off to Montan'". Must have been a ROFFian.

Ken Fortenberry
October 22nd, 2003, 05:15 PM
Memphis Jim wrote:
>
> The people from my Memphis trout fishing club took a guided trip up there,
> and reported that it was mostly bass fishing. They had obviously been told
> that it was generally a warmwater fishery. Of course it is a f--n' huge
> area.

That's all true. The BWCA is mostly a warmwater bass & walleye fishery,
but there are trout native to the area if you know where to look. The
Sawtooth Mountains hug the North Shore from just outside Duluth all the
way to Grand Marais and beyond. And that's about as much hint as I care
to write here.

The Humphrey & Shogren book _Wisconsin & Minnesota Trout Streams_ has
pretty much let the cat out of whatever flimsy bag it was in, but there
are several places not mentioned in the book that have nice populations
of trout.

--
Ken Fortenberry

walt winter
October 22nd, 2003, 07:50 PM
Memphis Jim wrote:
>>well hell jimbo.... if yer gonna be in boone (my homewaters btw),
>>i'd be pleased as all hell to show ya jeffies (that inebriated
>>attorney from down east somewhere) favorite brookie stream ;-)
>>
>>holler at me at the shop when ya got one of them yellow pad
>>itenerary thingees fudged up..... i'll cut loose some which way
>>or other and will chase dem lil jewels....
>>
>>wally
>>
>>
>
>
> Hey Wally,
>
> After reading your email a couple of times, it seems to me that I can make
> my way to Boone before my wife and kids arrive, if I can convince you to
> drown some flies with me. Like I wrote, I have a couple of days with
> nothing specific planned, and I can just as easily drive to Boone as
> anywhere else.
>
> We're talking next Thursday afternoon, Friday, or Saturday morning. Friday
> would be the best day.
>
> Let me know if this is a possibility. I'll take fishing with someone else
> over fishing alone. If we come upon a bear, I'll need someone to outrun.
>
> Memphis Jim
>
>

hey jim,

i can cut loose next friday afternoon and meet you up in boone
somewhere. as stated earlier, i'd enjoy showin you a lil creek
that has a good native brookie population that is close by and
has the extra plus of ****'n the hell oughta jeffie. ;-)

go ahead and take this to e-mail to me here at the house....

wgw AT boone DOT net

and i'll reply before the weekend is over....

wally

Memphis Jim
October 22nd, 2003, 08:40 PM
"walt winter" > wrote in message
...
> Memphis Jim wrote:
> >>well hell jimbo.... if yer gonna be in boone (my homewaters btw),
> >>i'd be pleased as all hell to show ya jeffies (that inebriated
> >>attorney from down east somewhere) favorite brookie stream ;-)
> >>
> >>holler at me at the shop when ya got one of them yellow pad
> >>itenerary thingees fudged up..... i'll cut loose some which way
> >>or other and will chase dem lil jewels....
> >>
> >>wally
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hey Wally,
> >
> > After reading your email a couple of times, it seems to me that I can
make
> > my way to Boone before my wife and kids arrive, if I can convince you to
> > drown some flies with me. Like I wrote, I have a couple of days with
> > nothing specific planned, and I can just as easily drive to Boone as
> > anywhere else.
> >
> > We're talking next Thursday afternoon, Friday, or Saturday morning.
Friday
> > would be the best day.
> >
> > Let me know if this is a possibility. I'll take fishing with someone
else
> > over fishing alone. If we come upon a bear, I'll need someone to
outrun.
> >
> > Memphis Jim
> >
> >
>
> hey jim,
>
> i can cut loose next friday afternoon and meet you up in boone
> somewhere. as stated earlier, i'd enjoy showin you a lil creek
> that has a good native brookie population that is close by and
> has the extra plus of ****'n the hell oughta jeffie. ;-)
>
> go ahead and take this to e-mail to me here at the house....
>
> wgw AT boone DOT net
>
> and i'll reply before the weekend is over....
>
> wally
>

That sounds great. I'm looking forward to it.

Memphis Jim

Guyz-N-Flyz
October 23rd, 2003, 01:21 AM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...


> Or is this
> just a stupid question?
>
> Memphis Jim

There are no stupid questions, Jim. There are just stupid people who ask
questions!

Op --Hopin' ta meat ya next week. You can thank Uncle Wally, if ya gets ta
meet a stupid person askin' questions--

Jeff Miller
October 23rd, 2003, 02:32 AM
walt winter wrote:

>
> hey jim,
>
> i can cut loose next friday afternoon and meet you up in boone
> somewhere. as stated earlier, i'd enjoy showin you a lil creek that has
> a good native brookie population that is close by and has the extra plus
> of ****'n the hell oughta jeffie. ;-)
>
>

hmmm...so that's the game, eh? well, be sure ol memphis jim does the
big boulder lawyer dance around the first bend on that stream... and,
don't forget the blindfold and pseudo-stream names. we can't allow a
damn volunteer to know too much, now can we wally. you oughta take him
on the two wheel float too... <g>

jeff

Wayne Knight
October 23rd, 2003, 03:58 AM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I have always wondered, why is the fishing in the boundary waters area
> warmwater (bass, etc.) while there is an abundance of trout water in
> Wisconsin. Is it because of an abundance of spring fed water? Or is this
> just a stupid question?
>

SW Wisconsin/SE MN/and NE Iowa comprise an area known as the driftless area,
geologically spring fed. Best non technical source on the area I know would
be Leeson's book - Jerusalem Creek.

I sent you an email on some general hospital/physician business stuff.

Wayne K.

Memphis Jim
October 23rd, 2003, 02:58 PM
"Guyz-N-Flyz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> > Or is this
> > just a stupid question?
> >
> > Memphis Jim
>
> There are no stupid questions, Jim. There are just stupid people who ask
> questions!
>

Thanks for clarifying that for me. Just call me stupid, my dad always did.

Memphis Jim

Memphis Jim
October 23rd, 2003, 03:00 PM
"Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
news:tgGlb.98151$AH4.79642@lakeread06...
>
>
> walt winter wrote:
>
> >
> > hey jim,
> >
> > i can cut loose next friday afternoon and meet you up in boone
> > somewhere. as stated earlier, i'd enjoy showin you a lil creek that has
> > a good native brookie population that is close by and has the extra plus
> > of ****'n the hell oughta jeffie. ;-)
> >
> >
>
> hmmm...so that's the game, eh? well, be sure ol memphis jim does the
> big boulder lawyer dance around the first bend on that stream... and,
> don't forget the blindfold and pseudo-stream names. we can't allow a
> damn volunteer to know too much, now can we wally. you oughta take him
> on the two wheel float too... <g>
>
> jeff
>

Don't forget to disguise any fish I might catch.

Memphis Jim

ezflyfisher
October 23rd, 2003, 03:47 PM
Jeff Miller wrote:

>
> hmmm...so that's the game, eh? well, be sure ol memphis jim does the
> big boulder lawyer dance around the first bend on that stream... and,
> don't forget the blindfold and pseudo-stream names. we can't allow a
> damn volunteer to know too much, now can we wally. you oughta take him
> on the two wheel float too... <g>
>
> jeff
>

doncha worry jeffie..... by the time i'm done with him he'll be pinin'
to fish with flat stream wayno ;-)

--wally

Guyz-N-Flyz
October 24th, 2003, 12:59 AM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for clarifying that for me. Just call me stupid, my dad always
did.
>
> Memphis Jim

What was your dad's name, that's sounds so familiar?

Op --My fathers father left him when he was 3, and started a new family
over in Tenn. Could we be....?--

October 24th, 2003, 04:11 AM
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:15:19 -0400, Jeff Miller
> wrote:

>
>
>Wolfgang wrote:
>
>
>> Um.......unfortunately, we already got all the lawyers and fly fishers we
>> need. However, if you were willing to consider a career change......say
>> maybe cheap immigrant laborer.....I'm sure you'd be welcome. :)
>>
>>
>
>from my brief drive about, i'd say a good cow**** de-scenter could make
>a de(s)cent living in the rural areas of WI. <g>
>
>jeff (who's had plenty of experience in the bull-, cow-, horse-****tin
>end...)


Ah, yes, your chauffeur showed you the high points?
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

October 24th, 2003, 04:11 AM
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:38:40 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> wrote:

>The people from my Memphis trout fishing club took a guided trip up there,
>and reported that it was mostly bass fishing. They had obviously been told
>that it was generally a warmwater fishery. Of course it is a f--n' huge
>area.
>
Did the guide advertise as a trout guide or just as a fishing guide?
If the latter, he probably catered mostly to Minnesotans. Even bass
are a second choice up here. Walleye is king in MN. But there are
some lake trout lakes up near, if not in, the BWAC. And trout in all
the tribs to Lake Superior, at least near the shore. I love that the
BWAC is there. It means that most of the tourons go there, following
too many rules, while I can go other places. So I have no personal
fishing tales to tell of my few trips into the actual BWAC.

--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

October 24th, 2003, 04:12 AM
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:58:39 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
> wrote:

>
>"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> I have always wondered, why is the fishing in the boundary waters area
>> warmwater (bass, etc.) while there is an abundance of trout water in
>> Wisconsin. Is it because of an abundance of spring fed water? Or is this
>> just a stupid question?
>>
>
>SW Wisconsin/SE MN/and NE Iowa comprise an area known as the driftless area,
>geologically spring fed. Best non technical source on the area I know would
>be Leeson's book - Jerusalem Creek.
>
>I sent you an email on some general hospital/physician business stuff.
>
>Wayne K.
>
Rochester MN is a nice town, reasonable to live in or near and lots
and lots of hospitals. Trout fishing within an hour in a couple of
directions (less time if you drive faster...). In fact, I've heard a
rumor that there may be trout in the river running through town. I
rather doubt it, but the rumor was there.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Jeff Miller
October 24th, 2003, 12:14 PM
wrote:

>
>
>
> Ah, yes, your chauffeur showed you the high points?
> --
>

let me just say there were several times i found breathing to be a
uniquely challenging experience...

jeff

Wolfgang
October 24th, 2003, 12:30 PM
"Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
news:tT7mb.100725$AH4.52156@lakeread06...
>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah, yes, your chauffeur showed you the high points?
> > --
> >
>
> let me just say there were several times i found breathing to be a
> uniquely challenging experience...
>
> jeff

Between the food and the air (not to mention blood loss), it's a miracle you
survived the experience. We've killed better men. :)

Wolfgang
next year, we'll introduce you to mr. blackfly.

Memphis Jim
October 24th, 2003, 03:42 PM
"Guyz-N-Flyz" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks for clarifying that for me. Just call me stupid, my dad always
> did.
> >
> > Memphis Jim
>
> What was your dad's name, that's sounds so familiar?
>
> Op --My fathers father left him when he was 3, and started a new family
> over in Tenn. Could we be....?--
>
>

I already have 5 siblings, what's a few more . . .

By the way, is it "goober smoocher" or "goobers moocher," the philosophical
implications are staggering.

Memphis Jim
Just call me Bubba, big bro'

Memphis Jim
October 24th, 2003, 03:44 PM
> Rochester MN is a nice town, reasonable to live in or near and lots
> and lots of hospitals. Trout fishing within an hour in a couple of
> directions (less time if you drive faster...). In fact, I've heard a
> rumor that there may be trout in the river running through town. I
> rather doubt it, but the rumor was there.
> --
>

I think the sign of a well-made town is that there are trout in a river
running through town.

I don't know about those doctors in Rochester, they don't seem very
experienced.

Memphis Jim

Charlie Choc
October 24th, 2003, 03:48 PM
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:44:19 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> wrote:

>I think the sign of a well-made town is that there are trout in a river
>running through town.
>
Atlanta has trout in a river running through town, so I don't think
that is *the* sign of a well made town. <g>
--
Charlie...

Wolfgang
October 24th, 2003, 04:11 PM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...
>
> I don't know about those doctors in Rochester, they don't seem very
> experienced.

I hear they make a mean remoulade.

Wolfgang

slenon
October 24th, 2003, 04:39 PM
>let me just say there were several times i found breathing to be a
>uniquely challenging experience...
>jeff

Sounds similar to Garden City KS. But they still call it the smell of
money.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

Memphis Jim
October 24th, 2003, 05:07 PM
"Charlie Choc" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:44:19 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> > wrote:
>
> >I think the sign of a well-made town is that there are trout in a river
> >running through town.
> >
> Atlanta has trout in a river running through town, so I don't think
> that is *the* sign of a well made town. <g>
> --


Point well taken. No offense to the Southern Metropolis, but I would
consider living in Atlanta pretty close to living in hell. Beautiful women
though (much like hell?).

Memphis Jim

I know, I know, how can anyone living in Memphis say anything bad about
Atlanta, but at least I have a 15 minute commute to work.

Charlie Choc
October 24th, 2003, 05:32 PM
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:07:47 -0500, "Memphis Jim"
> wrote:

>I know, I know, how can anyone living in Memphis say anything bad about
>Atlanta, but at least I have a 15 minute commute to work.
>
I did too, before I retired. And I can be small stream fishing for
'wild' trout with less than a 90 minute drive. <g>
--
Charlie...

Wolfgang
October 24th, 2003, 11:08 PM
"Wolfgang" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I don't know about those doctors in Rochester, they don't seem very
> > experienced.
>
> I hear they make a mean remoulade.

****!

Remoulade????!!! :(

MAYO!

Wolfgang
doh!

Guyz-N-Flyz
October 24th, 2003, 11:37 PM
"Memphis Jim" > wrote in message
...

> I already have 5 siblings, what's a few more . . .

While I realize, on ROFF, it seems as though there are more than one of me,
I can assure you there is only one of me--physically. Mentally? Well,
let's just say I'm blessed to have so many friends to talk to, when no one
is actually present.

> By the way, is it "goober smoocher" or "goobers moocher," the
philosophical
> implications are staggering.

Mind ya, I wouldn't know from personal experience, but I have been told it's
"goober smoocher."

>
> Memphis Jim
> Just call me Bubba, big bro'


Op --back attcha 'lil feller--

Jeff Miller
October 25th, 2003, 02:03 AM
slenon wrote:

>>let me just say there were several times i found breathing to be a
>>uniquely challenging experience...
>>jeff
>
>
> Sounds similar to Garden City KS. But they still call it the smell of
> money.
>
> ----
>

hmmm...not sure where you collect your check...but my drive about
wisconsin had nothing to do with a dollar...and, i don't know what money
smells like...guess you've got more experience in those venues.

jeff

slenon
October 25th, 2003, 04:07 PM
>and, i don't know what money smells like...guess you've got more
experience in those venues.
>jeff

Damned little, Jeff. But I've had the cause to cross KS in the summer on
U.S. 50. Once you get past Wichita and the last airborne B-47 there's a
feedlot just about every place you look all along the Arkansas valley into
CO. Even closed windows and a working AC don't block the aroma the feedlot
operators call the "smell of money."

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

Wayne Knight
October 25th, 2003, 11:05 PM
"slenon" > wrote in message
m...
>
> Damned little, Jeff. But I've had the cause to cross KS in the summer on
> U.S. 50. Once you get past Wichita and the last airborne B-47 there's a
> feedlot just about every place you look all along the Arkansas valley into
> CO. Even closed windows and a working AC don't block the aroma the
feedlot
> operators call the "smell of money."
>

Once again you have the marginal capacity to talk like you know more than
you really do.

Hwy 50 does not go out of Wichita and for the record there are four feedlots
from Hutchinson KS to the CO border. One lot outside of Dodge city, two of
those lots are near Cimaron and one is accross from a packing plant west of
Garden City. Hwy 54-400 runs from Wichita to just west of Greensburg where
you go north on 400 to pick up HWY 50 in dodge city. There are Feedlots
outside of Pratt, Ford, and Dodge city via that route. Not quite one every
place you look.

But you are right in that they do give off a certain aroma.

slenon
October 26th, 2003, 01:53 AM
Wayne Knight:
>Hwy 50 does not go out of Wichita and for the record there are four
feedlots
>from Hutchinson KS to the CO border. One lot outside of Dodge city, two of
>those lots are near Cimaron and one is accross from a packing plant west of
>Garden City. Hwy 54-400 runs from Wichita to just west of Greensburg where
>you go north on 400 to pick up HWY 50 in dodge city.

Without resorting to a map, I thought I recalled 54 & 50 were contiguous at
Wichita. If you are correct, again without resort to a map, I stand
corrected. Looking back over 20 some years, Dodge may have been what I
thought I recalled.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

slenon
October 26th, 2003, 01:56 AM
Wayne Knight:
>Once again you have the marginal capacity to talk >like you know more than
you really do.

A very common trait. But sometimes I really know more than I actually do.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

Brimbum
October 26th, 2003, 01:33 PM
Steve wrote:snip>Even closed windows and a working AC don't block the aroma the
feedlot
>operators call the "smell of money."
>

I once knew a great salesman who said that his previous job had been in
Herford, Texas and he said that if you can sell **** you can sell anythiing.

Big Dale

Wayne Knight
October 26th, 2003, 08:17 PM
"slenon" > wrote in message
m...

> Without resorting to a map, I thought I recalled 54 & 50 were contiguous
at
> Wichita. If you are correct, again without resort to a map, I stand
> corrected. Looking back over 20 some years, Dodge may have been what I
> thought I recalled.
>

Check it, I just left behind 3 miserable years in Dodge City. 70K miles on a
car in a year and a half just to get out of "Dodge" every weekend I could.
(my home to office commute was 1.5 mile round trip)

slenon
October 26th, 2003, 08:44 PM
>Check it, I just left behind 3 miserable years in Dodge City. 70K miles on
a
>car in a year and a half just to get out of "Dodge" every weekend I could.
>(my home to office commute was 1.5 mile round trip)

I hereby stand corrected. I should have consulted maps rather than memory.

I understand that type of eagerness to leave the area. I have similar
dislike for a place in MO.
--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

Wolfgang
October 27th, 2003, 04:22 AM
"slenon" > wrote in message
m...

> ......I should have consulted maps.....

Has your family got a coat of arms.......you know, motto and all that sort
of thing?

Wolfgang
just wondering.

slenon
October 27th, 2003, 04:45 PM
>Has your family got a coat of arms.......you know, motto and all that sort
>of thing?
>Wolfgang

All of our coats have arms. Otherwise we'd call them vests. TANSTAAFL!
--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

slenon
October 27th, 2003, 09:01 PM
Greg Pavlov:
> He didn't say "coat with arms" he said "coat of arms."
> Applying your literal interpretation to the latter invokes
> some very ugly images, so I think I'll pass on it.

I understood what he wrote, and, what he was implying, quite clearly.

There weren't too many heraldic symbols in the stetls.

If the images you call up may be timely to the season, they're harmless. If
you've something more Lovecraftian in mind it may be appropriate.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

kyle
October 28th, 2003, 01:56 AM
> the driftless zone of SW Wisconsin

Would someone please explain what "driftless" means in this context? Thanks.

George Cleveland
October 28th, 2003, 01:59 AM
On 27 Oct 2003 16:56:25 -0800, (kyle) wrote:

>> the driftless zone of SW Wisconsin
>
>Would someone please explain what "driftless" means in this context? Thanks.


Drift is the term that is used for glacial deposits. By some quirk the region
around SW Wisconsin escaped any glaciation during the current Ice Ages, hence it
is referred to as the Driftless area.

g.c.

Wolfgang
October 28th, 2003, 02:01 AM
"kyle" > wrote in message
om...
> > the driftless zone of SW Wisconsin
>
> Would someone please explain what "driftless" means in this context?
Thanks.

The continental glaciers of ice age fame "drifted" over a large portion of
North America, Europe, and Asia. The last one (or latest, if you prefer),
called the Wisconsin glaciation (on this side of the pond at any rate),
didn't quite reach the southwestern third or so of the state that shares its
name.....thus, the "driftless zone".

Wolfgang