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Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend to taste. I suppose I probably used
about
3 tablespoons.

I didn't understand the Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend?
Your last sentence in the above.

Ah. I think, perhaps, you missed this part,

http://www.zatarains.com/

from a previous post.

Wolfgang

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend to taste. I suppose I probably used
about
3 tablespoons.

I didn't understand the Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend?
Your last sentence in the above.

Ah. I think, perhaps, you missed this part,

http://www.zatarains.com/

from a previous post.

Wolfgang


Yes, I did miss it, but figured it out after I did a search on
Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend. I take it you can't buy it at your
local supermarket.
-tom

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend to taste. I suppose I probably used
about
3 tablespoons.

I didn't understand the Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend?
Your last sentence in the above.

Ah. I think, perhaps, you missed this part,

http://www.zatarains.com/

from a previous post.

Wolfgang


Yes, I did miss it, but figured it out after I did a search on
Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend. I take it you can't buy it at your
local supermarket.

No, I don't have any trouble at all buying it at my local supermarket. As a
matter of fact, I purchased it there a few weeks ago because they didn't
have the McCormick's

http://www.mccormick.com/

that I used to use.

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in news:5s80b1F185308U1
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http://www.mccormick.com/


I used to pass by the McCormick bottling facility in the Inner Harbor in
Bawlimer. There would always be a lovely smell of whatever they were
bottling that day, for quite some distance. I'll always have a warm place
in my heart for Old Bay, and I still buy McCormick's when I have a choice.



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Tom Nakashima wrote:


Yes, I did miss it, but figured it out after I did a search on
Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend. I take it you can't buy it at your
local supermarket.
-tom


Try Draeger's or Whole Foods. I'm pretty sure I've seen it at one or the
other.

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"rw" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:


Yes, I did miss it, but figured it out after I did a search on
Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend. I take it you can't buy it at your
local supermarket.
-tom


Try Draeger's or Whole Foods. I'm pretty sure I've seen it at one or the
other.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Thanks,
two of my favorites, Draeger's and Whole Foods.
-tom

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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For example, none of it does much to support your contention
that "the otolith organs get confused because there is a bouyancy in
addition to gravity." Leaving aside the quaint notion that organs get
confused (though I think this raises all kinds of fascinating
hermeneutic issues that might be fun to explore someday) the sources
you link to above suggest that, as has already been stated here,
various other systems and cues come into play.

Thats a little bit more of a jump, but I do have some evidence to support
it. I can't pull this stuff of the tips of my fingers like the last
stuff, but it is buried in the literature.

There's a whole slew of space data, with a variety of interpretations.
The bottom line is that when we remove our 1-g operating point, the
system gets very confused. What does "confused" mean? That's a little
hard to pin down. Certainly, about half the astronauts and cosmonauts
hurl violently for the first few days of micro-g. Typically, space
flight papers are just nasty low-n POS's with incredibly large
variability in methods and results, but there are some real stars out
there (so to speak!!). Perhaps the paper that best attempts to quantify
this stuff is Clement et al, Exp Brain Res 138(2001)-- a group I know for
about 15 years and trust very much.

Abstract:
During the 1998 Neurolab mission (STS-90), four astronauts were exposed
to interaural and head vertical (dorsoventral) linear accelerations of
0.5 g and 1 g during constant velocity rotation on a centrifuge, both on
Earth and during orbital space flight. Subjects were oriented either
left-ear-out or right-ear-out (Gy centrifugation), or lay supine along
the centrifuge arm with their head off-axis (Gz centrifugation). Pre-
flight centrifugation, producing linear accelerations of 0.5 g and 1 g
along the Gy (interaural) axis, induced illusions of roll-tilt of 20
degrees and 34 degrees for gravito-inertial acceleration (GIA) vector
tilts of 27 degrees and 45 degrees , respectively. Pre-flight 0.5 g and 1
g Gz (head dorsoventral) centrifugation generated perceptions of backward
pitch of 5 degrees and 15 degrees , respectively. In the absence of
gravity during space flight, the same centrifugation generated a GIA that
was equivalent to the centripetal acceleration and aligned with the Gy or
Gz axes. Perception of tilt was underestimated relative to this new GIA
orientation during early in-flight Gy centrifugation, but was close to
the GIA after 16 days in orbit, when subjects reported that they felt as
if they were 'lying on side'. During the course of the mission, inflight
roll-tilt perception during Gy centrifugation increased from 45 degrees
to 83 degrees at 1 g and from 42 degrees to 48 degrees at 0.5 g. Subjects
felt 'upside-down' during in-flight Gz centrifugation from the first in-
flight test session, which reflected the new GIA orientation along the
head dorsoventral axis. The different levels of in-flight tilt perception
during 0.5 g and 1 g Gy centrifugation suggests that other non-vestibular
inputs, including an internal estimate of the body vertical and somatic
sensation, were utilized in generating tilt perception. Interpretation of
data by a weighted sum of body vertical and somatic vectors, with an
estimate of the GIA from the otoliths, suggests that perception weights
the sense of the body vertical more heavily early in-flight, that this
weighting falls during adaptation to microgravity, and that the decreased
reliance on the body vertical persists early post-flight, generating an
exaggerated sense of tilt. Since graviceptors respond to linear
acceleration and not to head tilt in orbit, it has been proposed that
adaptation to weightlessness entails reinterpretation of otolith
activity, causing tilt to be perceived as translation. Since linear
acceleration during in-flight centrifugation was always perceived as
tilt, not translation, the findings do not support this hypothesis
****

I have a bundle of VOR and perception data that seem to suggest that the
brain takes liberties, and assumes a 1-g downward acceleration at all
times, and that way instead of taking the time doing the geometry on the
multi-dimensional otolith responses, the brain need only deal with those
bits of acceleration that are orthogonal to gravity, and gets it right
most of the time. This is stuff I haven't written on yet, but it
certainly goes along with some of the details of the Clement paper. I've
spent quite some time chatting with this with one of the authors, and I
think we're on the same page.


Of course, just because humans and monkeys get confused when you change
their gravitational setpoint with micro-g doesn't necessarily mean that
adding a bouyant component causes similar outcomes. Frankly, the monkeys
keep drowning (just kidding, PETA guys!), but NASA does train their
astronauts underwater, and some of the early orientation papers (a la
Graybiel) put the body underwater. That's a bit of a jump on my part.
Also, none of this means that fish get screwed up when you remove their
bouyancy. They certainly flop around a good deal when you take them out
of the water and don't put them upside down, which is what pushes me
toward the funny paralytic-like state that can cause not being of an
octavolateralis origin.

I guess it's true what they say......to the man with a fifty megaton
thermonuclear obfuscation, everything looks like a nail.

Wolfgang

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in news:5s80b1F185308U1
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http://www.mccormick.com/


I used to pass by the McCormick bottling facility in the Inner Harbor in
Bawlimer. There would always be a lovely smell of whatever they were
bottling that day, for quite some distance. I'll always have a warm place
in my heart for Old Bay, and I still buy McCormick's when I have a choice.

I spent about three months in that area back in 1971. Hadn't thought about
it in a long time, but now that you mention it, I remember the McCormick
factory quite clearly.

Some of the seasoning blends are o.k. if you're in a hurry, but I really
hate to buy from them. You'll pay three or four dollars for a sixteenth of
an ounce of a ground spice, most of which will certainly lose its potency
LONG before the average home cook will use it up. For two dollars or so, at
any of a number of ethnic specialty markets, I can get half a pound of whole
fennel, cumin, mustard, etc., etc., which I can grind up in my mortar in
whatever quantity I need in a couple of minutes.....and the rest is good for
a couple of years if properly stored.

Wolfgang

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Tom Nakashima wrote:
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Tom Nakashima wrote:


Yes, I did miss it, but figured it out after I did a search on
Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend. I take it you can't buy it at your
local supermarket.
-tom


Try Draeger's or Whole Foods. I'm pretty sure I've seen it at one or the
other.

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Thanks,
two of my favorites, Draeger's and Whole Foods.
-tom



Whole Foods in Palo Alto has, IMO, better carry-out sushi than
Draeger's. I'm planning to stop there today.

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in news:5s80b1F185308U1
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http://www.mccormick.com/


I used to pass by the McCormick bottling facility in the Inner Harbor
in Bawlimer. There would always be a lovely smell of whatever they
were bottling that day, for quite some distance. I'll always have a
warm place in my heart for Old Bay, and I still buy McCormick's when
I have a choice.

I spent about three months in that area back in 1971. Hadn't thought
about it in a long time, but now that you mention it, I remember the
McCormick factory quite clearly.

Some of the seasoning blends are o.k. if you're in a hurry, but I
really hate to buy from them. You'll pay three or four dollars for a
sixteenth of an ounce of a ground spice, most of which will certainly
lose its potency LONG before the average home cook will use it up.
For two dollars or so, at any of a number of ethnic specialty markets,
I can get half a pound of whole fennel, cumin, mustard, etc., etc.,
which I can grind up in my mortar in whatever quantity I need in a
couple of minutes.....and the rest is good for a couple of years if
properly stored.

Wolfgang





Absolutely right. The spice rack seems to have more and more bulk spices
in it these days. I love the Iranian Saffron I bought in Spain. Much
less expensive than what you buy here.


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Tom Nakashima wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:


Yes, I did miss it, but figured it out after I did a search on
Zatarain's Creole seasoning blend. I take it you can't buy it at your
local supermarket.
-tom


Try Draeger's or Whole Foods. I'm pretty sure I've seen it at one or the
other.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Thanks,
two of my favorites, Draeger's and Whole Foods.
-tom

Whole Foods in Palo Alto has, IMO, better carry-out sushi than Draeger's.
I'm planning to stop there today.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

We were there last Sunday, the one on Emerson St.
Yup agree, their sushi is pretty darn good.
-tom

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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Absolutely right. The spice rack seems to have more and more bulk spices
in it these days. I love the Iranian Saffron I bought in Spain. Much
less expensive than what you buy here.

My supplier raised their prices recently. Well, technically, the price
didn't change......the quantity shrank. Pretty much amounts to the same
thing though, ainna? :)

Nevertheless, the price I pay for spices averages (or did, when I calculated
it a couple of years ago) about 1/64th of what McCormick, Durkee, et al.
charge for theirs. And the difference for saffron is considerably greater
than the average.

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in news:5s8546F184pfeU1
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My supplier raised their prices recently. Well, technically, the price
didn't change......the quantity shrank. Pretty much amounts to the same
thing though, ainna? :)


I don't know, here. Depends on your usage. If you only use 1/4 of the
bigger quantity before you throw the stale stuff out, it seems like your
paying less for the portion you're tossing, but in reality, you're paying X
dollars for Y years of spice, so long as both sizes are more than you can
use in your allowable time period. There's something very wrong with my
logic here, but this is a discussion for 8AM, not mid PM


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"Wolfgang" wrote in news:5s8546F184pfeU1
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My supplier raised their prices recently. Well, technically, the price
didn't change......the quantity shrank. Pretty much amounts to the same
thing though, ainna? :)


I don't know, here. Depends on your usage. If you only use 1/4 of the
bigger quantity before you throw the stale stuff out, it seems like your
paying less for the portion you're tossing, but in reality, you're paying
X
dollars for Y years of spice, so long as both sizes are more than you can
use in your allowable time period. There's something very wrong with my
logic here, but this is a discussion for 8AM, not mid PM

Nothing wrong with the logic. One of the premises is a bit skewed, though,
speaking of spices generally. In an air-tight container* with little head
space, stored at a moderate temperature and away from direct sunlight, I can
keep whole cumin seeds (or most any other) for a couple of years without
serious deterioration. Ground spices lose potency very quickly. Opinions
among people who are serious about this sort of thing vary considerably
(surprise!), but most will agree that a few weeks makes them nearly
worthless. Even with my tobacco blunted nose, I can detect a distinct
difference after a few days. Odds are the stuff you get pre-ground from the
major producers is trash before it hits the store shelves.....let alone your
spice rack.

Of course, all of this matters only in proportion to how much difference the
difference makes to you, the cook and consumer......but there's no denying
that the difference is easily discernible.

With regard to herbs (not at all the same thing as spices), there's nothing
wrong with either your logic or the premises, and the same holds true for
saffron and various other seasonings. The trouble here is that there's no
simple solution to the problem of determining how much to get at a time at
what price to optimize effective use. Nevertheless, it ain't hard to figure
out that twenty or so crocus stamens at $7.00 (what I paid for one of the
major brands in a grocery stores some years ago) is not as good a deal a
several hundred for $8.00 (what I paid a few weeks ago at my favorite local
Indian market).

Wolfgang
*ordinary canning jars are awesome....but come in a limited range of
sizes.....too big and WAY too big. jam, pickle, herring, baby food, and
innumerable other jars come in a bewildering array of sizes (virtually all
of them useful for one thing or another) and have the not inconsiderable
additional benefit of coming pre-packed with FREE FOOD! :)

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Wolfgang wrote:

jam, pickle, herring, baby food, and
innumerable other jars come in a bewildering array of sizes (virtually all
of them useful for one thing or another) and have the not inconsiderable
additional benefit of coming pre-packed with FREE FOOD! :)

I want to see you come up with a good recipe that uses up the
leftovers from all of the above jars. :-)


Chuck Vance (plus that smoked pork shoulder)

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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With regard to herbs (not at all the same thing as spices), Wolfgang

Do you grow your own herbs?
-tom

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

jam, pickle, herring, baby food, and innumerable other jars come in a
bewildering array of sizes (virtually all of them useful for one thing or
another) and have the not inconsiderable additional benefit of coming
pre-packed with FREE FOOD! :)

I want to see you come up with a good recipe that uses up the leftovers
from all of the above jars. :-)


Chuck Vance (plus that smoked pork shoulder)

Mark this day. It isn't often I will quit the field without so much as
glancing at the flung gauntlet. :)

Wolfgang
who hastens to add that declining to come up with a recipe should in no wise
be construed as indicating that eating all those things (and more) at a
single sitting has never been attempted successfully.

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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With regard to herbs (not at all the same thing as spices), Wolfgang

Do you grow your own herbs?

Did until recently. Climate and evolving domestic arrangements intervened.

Wolfgang