"rw" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

In my own case this has resulted in ever decreasing reliance on knotless
tapered leaders; they just don't do anything very well. I do still
occasionally use them because I'm too lazy to keep myself supplied with
hand tied leaders. When I do resort to them, I always lop off a couple
of feet at the tippet end and rebuild from there. Knotless leaders are
produced by a drawing process. I think the stresses involved make the
tippet end virtually worthless.

That's absurd.

Is it? Let's see.

ALL monofilament is produced by extrusion, including the two feet of
tippet you're wasting and the other two feet you're replacing it with. The
"stresses" are the same.

Extrusion? Did I say something about extrusion? Did I, for that matter,
say anything about how monofilament is made?

BTW, please don't throw that two feet of wasted tippet onto the ground.

I'll save it for you. You can stick it where your head lives.

As often as not, I've found them to be badly out of round and with
serious flaws in the surface.

Where the hell are you buying leaders? Bob's Bait's closeout sale?

I'm not familiar with that establishment. Do they have an outlet in
southeast Wisconsin?

The material also tends to be considerably softer than the Maxima tippet
material I use routinely. The Maxima tippet usually cuts through the
weaker leader when I try to tie them together at small diameters.

You can buy Maxima knotless tapered leaders at Cabela's and at thousands
of other fine retail outlets around the country. Duh.

And? I thought I had made it clear that I wasn't in the market for knotless
tapered leaders.

Wolfgang
good god, the boy is stupid!

"clamus" wrote

I have just started to experiment, thanks to Mike Connor, with tippet rings

I only have two brief fishing days using them, at this point, but they
suggest that I'm on a positive track. I intend to post more, pro or con, as
I fish them this season but so far I find several pros and no cons ( well,
finding them and paying for them is a slight con )

What I have done, so far, is buy a basic leader for the style fishing I
intend. I put the ring on it roughly where I'd tie a tippet to a brand new
leader. For me, ( everyone else's mileage WILL vary ;) that is back some
from the tip of a new leader, so some is cut off, then the ring tied on with
a Pitzen(sp?) knot. Now tippet is tied to the ring with the same knot,
and again a '100%' knot is used at the fly.

When the tippet gets too short, or tactic changes make me want to replace
it, I do replace it totally without cutting back any of the actual leader
for a new knot. Tippet the size of the leader at the ring, or up ( down?)
to several sizes smaller seems to work fine ( again my trials are limited,
to date ).

Once I tied a short dropper to the ring, as well as the tippet, and used it
to attach split shot .... seemed to work as well as shot directly on the
leader and has the potential advantage of possibly allowing shot stuck in a
rock to be pulled loose without taking the fly and tippet with it. I assume
that used this way the ring will get roughed up by the bottom and have a
shorter lifespan, but the one I used that way shows no wear after that one
session.

Again ... my tests are limited ... but give tippet rings a thought ... the
old dogs that can't learn new tricks, are, indeed, getting old G

Wolfgang wrote:

"rw" wrote in message
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Where the hell are you buying leaders? Bob's Bait's closeout sale?


I'm not familiar with that establishment. Do they have an outlet in
southeast Wisconsin?

Just down the road, but it may have changed ownershop, as it does every
year or so. They also sell minnows and nightcrawlers.

You can buy Maxima knotless tapered leaders at Cabela's and at thousands
of other fine retail outlets around the country. Duh.


And? I thought I had made it clear that I wasn't in the market for knotless
tapered leaders.

Right, because (among other things) they didn't accept your precious
Maxima tippet. Geez. What a self important loser.

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:

"rw" wrote in message
m...


Where the hell are you buying leaders? Bob's Bait's closeout sale?


I'm not familiar with that establishment. Do they have an outlet in
southeast Wisconsin?

Just down the road, but it may have changed ownershop, as it does every
year or so. They also sell minnows and nightcrawlers.

Which road?

You can buy Maxima knotless tapered leaders at Cabela's and at thousands
of other fine retail outlets around the country. Duh.


And? I thought I had made it clear that I wasn't in the market for
knotless tapered leaders.

Right, because (among other things) they didn't accept your precious
Maxima tippet.

Huh? Refresh my memory. What was I trying to get for Maxima tippet, and
from whom?

Geez. What a self important loser.

Would you care to give us a hint concerning what the hell you are gibbering
about? And while you're at it, why don't you explain to us the difference
between drawing and extruding?

Wolfgang
who supposes this is what comes of cavorting with thirteen year old girls.

"Wolfgang" Wolfgang
who supposes this is what comes of cavorting with thirteen year old girls.



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