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You can argue the etymology until you're blue in the face.
It doesn't matter. Whether you like it or not the word is an
offensive racial slur and that, quite simply, is that. And
yes I do belittle those who use offensive racial slurs, it's
the least I can do.

Saying it is because you say it is is far from compelling.
My squaw says hi.

Oh, it's not just me. Look it up anywhere you choose. You can
argue that it *shouldn't* be a racial slur, you can argue that
it became a racial slur in error, but you cannot argue that it
isn't a racial slur. And like I said, you and your wife are both
fools if you don't know that.

You've claimed that it means something which it doesn't. I've shown
you that it doesn't mean what you claim it does. If you wish to change
a word's means then you can try. I find it sad that wannabe crusaders
take up something because they heard it on Oprah even when it's against
the wishes of the groups they are supposedly trying to protect.

You'll need to show me something more than a couple liberals
with an agenda and Oprah to convince me. I'm willing to have my
mind changed, but I'm not going to just take your word for it.
- Ken

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In article , says...

I refer back to the article I posted earlier:

http://www.bend.com/news/ar_view.php?ar_id=24206

Now, as far as I can tell from talking to people here, there are two
reasons the local native peoples wanted these names changed. One is
that most of these places already *had* names before they were renamed
"Squaw," and the other is that the replacement name really *is*
inherently offensive to folks.

Wanting to return a geographical name to it's original native name is
a respectable thing to do. If they were renaming locations other than
those with "squaw" in the name I'd be more than sympathetic. I like
the idea of renaming Mt McKinley to Denali for instance.



So instead of simple, common English words and/or (imagine this!) the
*proper* words in Warm Springs, Paiute or Wasco, folks had to listen
over and over again to these obviously condescending, dismissive and
entirely foreign words, and not surprisingly they found the whole
business entirely offensive. The original etymology of the thing, for
them, has *nothing* whatever to do with it.

How would they feel if their native word for "wife" meant something
offensive in say Algonquin and then their word for "wife" was outlawed
as racist? What if we renamed all the "Squaw" Buttes to "Warm
Springs Wife" Buttes and then someone else was offended? What if we
used the Siletz tribe's word and that offended the Warm Springs tribe?
It's political correctness gone too far.


So, should I, when talking to someone from Warm Springs (which borders
on many spots I fish), dismiss their revulsion as modern PC
hand-wringing, or should I give them a lecture on the Algonquin roots of
the word, or should I simply avoid giving gratuitous offense?

It's never good to give gratuitous offense. FWIW, many of the native
american's that I've spoken to about this feel that their language is
being outlawed by a bunch of clueless do-gooders.
- Ken

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In article ,
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In general a term used to describe the women of a particular
race is considered racist and offensive, cf. Jewess, Negress
for example.

Is it okay if it's the men of a particular race?

Hope my Dziadzia and Babcia weren't offended all those
years that I called them that.

At least your argument is getting better. Basing your disgust
on a falsehood propagated by Oprah doesn't help your cause.

Not all native american's are offended, many are trying to "take
back their language". It's sad that some ignorant falsehood has
effectively outlawed a legitimate native american word. I hope
you guys are proud. Maybe you can save those ignorant indians
who don't know as much as the moral majority does.
- Ken

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I think the most hilarious PC committed was when the do-gooders wanted
to change the Fish Kill to something else, not knowing that Kill in
Dutch meant river.

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

In general a term used to describe the women of a particular
race is considered racist and offensive, cf. Jewess, Negress
for example.

A man is walking down the street in Scottsdale, Arizona, when a
beautiful woman appears out of nowhere, right in front of him. She is
completely nude and has green skin. Stunned, the man starts to speak to
her. "Excuse me, but you just popped out of thin air. How did you do that?"

"Oh," says the woman, "I'm from Andromeda, in what you call 'outer space'."

"Andromeda?" says the man, "Wow! Do all the women on Andromeda have
green skin like you?"

"Yes," replies the woman, "everyone is green on Andromeda."

The man continues to stare and speak. "Excuse me for asking, but I can't
help noticing that you have 12 toes on each foot. Here on Earth we all
have five toes on each foot. Do all Andromedans have 12 toes on each foot?"

"Yes, they do," replies the woman.

"Please, may I ask you one more question?" The woman nods.

"I also can't help noticing that on each of your hands you have seven
fingers, and on each finger is a very large diamond. Here on Earth,
diamonds are very rare and valuable. Do all Andromedan women have large
diamonds on their fingers?"

"Well," the woman answers, "not the shiksas."

(from http://www.harryc.com/j-jokes904.htm)

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I suspect that native Algonquian speakers speaking Algonquian
could use the word without offending anyone. It's the English
speakers speaking English who offend.


An Algonquian Indian chief had three wives, each of whom was pregnant.
The first squaw gave birth to a boy, and the chief was so elated he
built her a tepee made of buffalo hide.

A few days later, the second squaw gave birth, and also had a boy. The
chief was extremely happy; he built her a tepee made of antelope hide.

The third squaw gave birth a few days later, but the chief kept the
birth details a secret. He built the woman a tepee out of hippopotamus
hide, and challenged the people in the tribe to guess the most recent
birth details, the correct guesser receiving a fine prize. Several of
his people tried, but were unsuccessful in their guesses. Finally, a
young brave came forth and declared that the third wife had delivered
twin boys.

"Correct"! cried the chief. "How did you know"?

"It's simple", replied the warrior. "The value of the squaw of the
hippopotamus is equal to the sons of the squaws of the other two hides."

(from http://www.brookfieldschool.co.uk/Indian_Chief.htm)

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rw wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I suspect that native Algonquian speakers speaking Algonquian
could use the word without offending anyone. It's the English
speakers speaking English who offend.

An Algonquian Indian chief had three wives, ...

A page from the Dickie Dean book of "I can post racist,
offensive **** to roff and there's not a damn thing you
PC net nannies can do about it."

Congrats, you're a ****in' putz, but then that's hardly
news around here.

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Congrats, you're a ****in' putz, but then that's hardly
news around here.

Blonde jokes aren't normally my thing, but this one is absolutely hilarious:

http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/web...ts/blond_joke/

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