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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:34:15 -0500, Jeff Miller
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:46:45 -0500, Jeff Miller
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
I think the most hilarious PC committed was when the do-gooders wanted
to change the Fish Kill to something else, not knowing that Kill in
Dutch meant river.

It's Fishkill, and PETA knew exactly where the name
came from. PETA's overriding priority is free publicity.
They can almost always count on getting it, and
guys with cheap-shot political agendas like yours can
always be counted on to contribute to the cause.

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On 26 Mar 2006 11:02:10 -0800, "
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and
guys with cheap-shot political agendas like yours can
always be counted on to contribute to the cause.

Oh, I see...... and you have never taken a cheap shot on roff.

You should be very, very careful how and where you throw your stones.

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Herman Nijland wrote:
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

I think the most hilarious PC committed was when the do-gooders wanted
to change the Fish Kill to something else, not knowing that Kill in
Dutch meant river.


It's Fishkill, and PETA knew exactly where the name
came from. PETA's overriding priority is free publicity.
They can almost always count on getting it, and
guys with cheap-shot political agendas like yours can
always be counted on to contribute to the cause.


Also wrong. There's no such word in the Dutch language, what I can
imagine is that someone read something about the river Kyll in Germany
and made a silly typo. Or thought 'wtf, nobody knows where those silly
little european countries start or end, let's use this for some
political gain', but that's probably too sarcastic :-).

That's odd.

Origin of Name: A combination of two Dutch words, "vis", meaning fish,
and "kill", meaning stream.

from: http://www.bearsystems.com/fishkill/fishkill.html

In response to PETA, I suggest we change the name to Fishrelease. :-)

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"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
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wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
I think the most hilarious PC committed was when the do-gooders wanted
to change the Fish Kill to something else, not knowing that Kill in
Dutch meant river.

It's Fishkill, and PETA knew exactly where the name
came from. PETA's overriding priority is free publicity.
They can almost always count on getting it, and
guys with cheap-shot political agendas like yours can
always be counted on to contribute to the cause.


Also wrong. There's no such word in the Dutch language, what I can imagine
is that someone read something about the river Kyll in Germany and made a
silly typo. Or thought 'wtf, nobody knows where those silly little
european countries start or end, let's use this for some political gain',
but that's probably too sarcastic :-).

Well now, this IS getting interesting. Dave's definition matches the
conventional wisdom here quite nicely. A quick check of two dictionaries
("Webster's New Universal Unabridged", Barnes and Noble, 2003, and "The
American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language", Houghton Mifflin,
1978) reveals that both agree. Both say that "kill" in this usage is
derived from the Dutch "kil" which in turn comes from the Middle Dutch
"kille".

Perhaps an archaic word, no longer used in Dutch? A problem in
transliteration, maybe? Are there no names of streams that bear a
resemblance?

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
Also wrong. There's no such word in the Dutch language, what I can imagine
is that someone read something about the river Kyll in Germany and made a
silly typo. Or thought 'wtf, nobody knows where those silly little
european countries start or end, let's use this for some political gain',
but that's probably too sarcastic :-).

Well now, this IS getting interesting. Dave's definition matches the
conventional wisdom here quite nicely. A quick check of two dictionaries
("Webster's New Universal Unabridged", Barnes and Noble, 2003, and "The
American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language", Houghton Mifflin,
1978) reveals that both agree. Both say that "kill" in this usage is
derived from the Dutch "kil" which in turn comes from the Middle Dutch
"kille".

Perhaps an archaic word, no longer used in Dutch? A problem in
transliteration, maybe? Are there no names of streams that bear a
resemblance?

Wolfgang

To answer both your and rw's question in one post - yes, it is archaic,
I've never heard of it being used in modern language. Being Dutch, I
hope that means something :-). May be it means the Dave is very very
much older than me g.
I had a quick google, and it does turn out that Dave was more or less
right - it is a very old word for stream. However - I can't imagine a
modern Dutch publication using the word 'kill' or 'kil' for stream,
because it wouldn't be understood in its right meaning. For modern read
anything younger than, say, at least fifty years.

Herman

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"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
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To answer both your and rw's question in one post - yes, it is archaic,
I've never heard of it being used in modern language. Being Dutch, I hope
that means something :-). May be it means the Dave is very very much older
than me g.
I had a quick google, and it does turn out that Dave was more or less
right - it is a very old word for stream. However - I can't imagine a
modern Dutch publication using the word 'kill' or 'kil' for stream,
because it wouldn't be understood in its right meaning. For modern read
anything younger than, say, at least fifty years.

No surprises there. Thanks, Herman. One more question though, or rather a
repetition to be more precise (and with a short preface), if you don't mind.
It's well known among people who study languages that names in general, and
place names in particular, are a valuable repository of archaic forms. Even
if "kil" (however spelled) is no longer in common use as a synonym for
"stream" (as is clearly the case here), one expect to see signs of its
former use dotted about the landscape (as it is here in areas settled by the
Dutch). Anything come to mind?

Wolfgang

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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:53:40 +0200, Herman Nijland
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To answer both your and rw's question in one post - yes, it is archaic,
I've never heard of it being used in modern language. Being Dutch, I
hope that means something :-). May be it means the Dave is very very
much older than me g.

My bones tell me I am much older than you, Herman.

I had a quick google, and it does turn out that Dave was more or less
right - it is a very old word for stream. However - I can't imagine a
modern Dutch publication using the word 'kill' or 'kil' for stream,
because it wouldn't be understood in its right meaning. For modern read
anything younger than, say, at least fifty years.

It was probably named way back when New York was called New
Amsterdam.That would be old work, Ishudthink. There are several
"kill" rivers besides Fish. Battenkill comes to mind, and I'm sure
there are others.