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Stocked bows
Hi,
I am still a newbie when it comes to flyfishing but not fishing in general. Recently I joined the Dallas Flyfishers. I can't say enough nice things about this group! Very helpful members and had a great trip to Broken Bow, OK last month with them. Texas stocks our local ponds with rainbows over the winter but the water is too warm come spring so it is catch and keep for most people fishing for them. I have tried numerous flies trying to catch them with zero success. All the while the guys fishing right next to me with spinning rods and bread dough balls or power bait are catching one after another. The trout have been fed pellets or so I have been told. Any particular fly pattern that would work with these stockers? I tried caddis flies that are brown like the pellets in their wet, exploded form but that didn't work either. Nymphs, midges, pan fish flies...etc nada.... Thanks, Don Allen, TX |
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D Screen wrote:
Hi, I am still a newbie when it comes to flyfishing but not fishing in general. Recently I joined the Dallas Flyfishers. I can't say enough nice things about this group! Very helpful members and had a great trip to Broken Bow, OK last month with them. Texas stocks our local ponds with rainbows over the winter but the water is too warm come spring so it is catch and keep for most people fishing for them. I have tried numerous flies trying to catch them with zero success. All the while the guys fishing right next to me with spinning rods and bread dough balls or power bait are catching one after another. The trout have been fed pellets or so I have been told. Any particular fly pattern that would work with these stockers? I tried caddis flies that are brown like the pellets in their wet, exploded form but that didn't work either. Nymphs, midges, pan fish flies...etc nada.... Thanks, Don Allen, TX Egg patterns, or pellet fly soaked in a fish attractant. brians |
D Screen wrote:
Hi, I am still a newbie when it comes to flyfishing but not fishing in general. Recently I joined the Dallas Flyfishers. I can't say enough nice things about this group! Very helpful members and had a great trip to Broken Bow, OK last month with them. Texas stocks our local ponds with rainbows over the winter but the water is too warm come spring so it is catch and keep for most people fishing for them. I have tried numerous flies trying to catch them with zero success. All the while the guys fishing right next to me with spinning rods and bread dough balls or power bait are catching one after another. The trout have been fed pellets or so I have been told. Any particular fly pattern that would work with these stockers? I tried caddis flies that are brown like the pellets in their wet, exploded form but that didn't work either. Nymphs, midges, pan fish flies...etc nada.... Thanks, Don Allen, TX Egg patterns, or pellet fly soaked in a fish attractant. brians |
brians wrote:
Egg patterns, or pellet fly soaked in a fish attractant. Try the Purina Caddis. It's an easy tie. All you need are hooks, superglue, and Purina Trout Chow pellets. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:25:07 -0600, D Screen
wrote: Hi, I am still a newbie when it comes to flyfishing but not fishing in general. Recently I joined the Dallas Flyfishers. I can't say enough nice things about this group! Very helpful members and had a great trip to Broken Bow, OK last month with them. Texas stocks our local ponds with rainbows over the winter but the water is too warm come spring so it is catch and keep for most people fishing for them. Have they told you about the tailwater on the Brazos just below the Possum Kingdom Dam? I saw some good sized stockers caught there when I canoed starting about a mile below there. Sort of combat fishing, but looked like fun. That was early in the year (March), but I suspect that nearer the dam it's probably good all summer. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
I've only been to one meeting and one trip so far. Just joined the
Dallas Flyfishers in December. Heard about the Brazos in general but not the tailwaters in particular. Going to start tying my own flies in March and chasing mostly largemouth bass and the occassional striped bass at Texoma with my fly rods. :-) Headed to Texoma in the morning and taking the 8wt. Will post some pictures on the ABFP forum if we do any good. I suspect I need a full sinking line to catch the stripers this time of year not the floating lines I have now. Might have to drege them up with slab spoons. Don Cyli wrote: Have they told you about the tailwater on the Brazos just below the Possum Kingdom Dam? I saw some good sized stockers caught there when I canoed starting about a mile below there. Sort of combat fishing, but looked like fun. That was early in the year (March), but I suspect that nearer the dam it's probably good all summer. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
I'm over in Mesquite...forget the stocked Rainbows... they're about as
interesting as goldfish. The native, wild fish are much more colorful and interesting. Fishing is a little slow right now, but as the skies brighten and the water warms it can get to be a lot of fun. For now, beaded nymphs and wooly buggers with a strand or three of something flashy just might work, but the fish are holding deep and feeding infrequently right now. In a little bit....damsel-fly nymphs and chartreuse attracturesin the same depths will bring up handsome warmouths, pumpkinseeds and such to smile at and tell "grow big" before releasing. A little later, they hit the spawning beds and they become easy pickings, if that's what you want. Any ol' rubber spider can work. I give them a rest then. After the spawn.... Mosquitoes in between the hatches and Muddlers if nothing else seems to work. McGinty's also work pretty well for me well into Autumn. but I have this lingering sense that if I could devise a pattern to match the more prevalent honey-bee convincingly it would be killer...the trick seems to be making it look convincingly struggling in the surface tension. Somewhat counter-intuitevly...10 or 12 sized Royal Coachmen slipped under willow leaves seem to draw a lot of attention. And itty-bitty ants or beetle imitations or scuds can be deadly, except when they aren't interested And that happens. I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds. Trout are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water will likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be better spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several years and pro-creating. So the guys with the worms out fished you when it came to bringing in the hatchery fish. Those were aquarium rainbows. I won't begrudge them their fun, but it was kinda' like fishing for mutts by dragging a steak through a dog pound. I can see that it works, but where's the challenge or the fun in it. There are wild fish, challenging, but takeable on a fly, real close to you. Warm-water fish can be a lot of fun. There are good trout waters as close as Oklahoma and the Arkansas Ozarks and if you can aim west....New Mexico and Colorado aren't THAT far away if you are obsessed with Salmonids. Nothing wrong with that...I just might bump into you back at the campsite it you travel there. But I have some serious problems with dumping little trout into a pond in December, banking on them all being caught before the water temperature kills them in June. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, if the game commission spent a little more time and a little less money they might actually contributed to the on-going health of the pond by planting fish that belonged there. Skip the planted rainbows. Discover the fish that belong in this neck of the woods. They'll give you a better fight and learning how to catch them will give you a better appreciation of the rivers, lakes, streams etc. you have around you to explore. You're well located to sneak up to the upper waters of the Trinity and the Brazos... They're fish rich all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico. There's an A.K. Best quote that seems to sum it all for me "The fishing is always good, the catching...." -Doc "D Screen" wrote in message ... I've only been to one meeting and one trip so far. Just joined the Dallas Flyfishers in December. Heard about the Brazos in general but not the tailwaters in particular. Going to start tying my own flies in March and chasing mostly largemouth bass and the occassional striped bass at Texoma with my fly rods. :-) Headed to Texoma in the morning and taking the 8wt. Will post some pictures on the ABFP forum if we do any good. I suspect I need a full sinking line to catch the stripers this time of year not the floating lines I have now. Might have to drege them up with slab spoons. Don Cyli wrote: Have they told you about the tailwater on the Brazos just below the Possum Kingdom Dam? I saw some good sized stockers caught there when I canoed starting about a mile below there. Sort of combat fishing, but looked like fun. That was early in the year (March), but I suspect that nearer the dam it's probably good all summer. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
I'm over in Mesquite...forget the stocked Rainbows... they're about as
interesting as goldfish. The native, wild fish are much more colorful and interesting. Fishing is a little slow right now, but as the skies brighten and the water warms it can get to be a lot of fun. For now, beaded nymphs and wooly buggers with a strand or three of something flashy just might work, but the fish are holding deep and feeding infrequently right now. In a little bit....damsel-fly nymphs and chartreuse attracturesin the same depths will bring up handsome warmouths, pumpkinseeds and such to smile at and tell "grow big" before releasing. A little later, they hit the spawning beds and they become easy pickings, if that's what you want. Any ol' rubber spider can work. I give them a rest then. After the spawn.... Mosquitoes in between the hatches and Muddlers if nothing else seems to work. McGinty's also work pretty well for me well into Autumn. but I have this lingering sense that if I could devise a pattern to match the more prevalent honey-bee convincingly it would be killer...the trick seems to be making it look convincingly struggling in the surface tension. Somewhat counter-intuitevly...10 or 12 sized Royal Coachmen slipped under willow leaves seem to draw a lot of attention. And itty-bitty ants or beetle imitations or scuds can be deadly, except when they aren't interested And that happens. I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds. Trout are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water will likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be better spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several years and pro-creating. So the guys with the worms out fished you when it came to bringing in the hatchery fish. Those were aquarium rainbows. I won't begrudge them their fun, but it was kinda' like fishing for mutts by dragging a steak through a dog pound. I can see that it works, but where's the challenge or the fun in it. There are wild fish, challenging, but takeable on a fly, real close to you. Warm-water fish can be a lot of fun. There are good trout waters as close as Oklahoma and the Arkansas Ozarks and if you can aim west....New Mexico and Colorado aren't THAT far away if you are obsessed with Salmonids. Nothing wrong with that...I just might bump into you back at the campsite it you travel there. But I have some serious problems with dumping little trout into a pond in December, banking on them all being caught before the water temperature kills them in June. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, if the game commission spent a little more time and a little less money they might actually contributed to the on-going health of the pond by planting fish that belonged there. Skip the planted rainbows. Discover the fish that belong in this neck of the woods. They'll give you a better fight and learning how to catch them will give you a better appreciation of the rivers, lakes, streams etc. you have around you to explore. You're well located to sneak up to the upper waters of the Trinity and the Brazos... They're fish rich all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico. There's an A.K. Best quote that seems to sum it all for me "The fishing is always good, the catching...." -Doc "D Screen" wrote in message ... I've only been to one meeting and one trip so far. Just joined the Dallas Flyfishers in December. Heard about the Brazos in general but not the tailwaters in particular. Going to start tying my own flies in March and chasing mostly largemouth bass and the occassional striped bass at Texoma with my fly rods. :-) Headed to Texoma in the morning and taking the 8wt. Will post some pictures on the ABFP forum if we do any good. I suspect I need a full sinking line to catch the stripers this time of year not the floating lines I have now. Might have to drege them up with slab spoons. Don Cyli wrote: Have they told you about the tailwater on the Brazos just below the Possum Kingdom Dam? I saw some good sized stockers caught there when I canoed starting about a mile below there. Sort of combat fishing, but looked like fun. That was early in the year (March), but I suspect that nearer the dam it's probably good all summer. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
Doc Elder wrote: I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds. Trout are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water will likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be better spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several years and pro-creating. Doc: You sure hit the nail on the head with the above statement as far as I am concerned. This has been one of my main problems with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department for years and now with the license changes they made last year, you cna't be licensed to fish in this state without supporting this program. I damn near decided to not buy a license this year for that very reason. I can still fish for wild trout by merely driving a few days either east or west. Don: If you want to learn how to catch those stocked little pale imitations of trout you might want to travel to Arkansas to check out the Little Missouri Fishing Festival and mine Jeff Gurin's mind on how to catch them. Jeff is The guide on Arkansas's closest trout fishing water and realy knows his stuff. Learn more at WWW.Littlemissouriflyfishing.com This will be my first year to miss this event. You will also see several of the Dallas Flyfishers at this event. Besides this poor little town can use every dollar you drop while there. Big Dale |
Doc Elder wrote: I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds. Trout are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water will likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be better spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several years and pro-creating. Doc: You sure hit the nail on the head with the above statement as far as I am concerned. This has been one of my main problems with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department for years and now with the license changes they made last year, you cna't be licensed to fish in this state without supporting this program. I damn near decided to not buy a license this year for that very reason. I can still fish for wild trout by merely driving a few days either east or west. Don: If you want to learn how to catch those stocked little pale imitations of trout you might want to travel to Arkansas to check out the Little Missouri Fishing Festival and mine Jeff Gurin's mind on how to catch them. Jeff is The guide on Arkansas's closest trout fishing water and realy knows his stuff. Learn more at WWW.Littlemissouriflyfishing.com This will be my first year to miss this event. You will also see several of the Dallas Flyfishers at this event. Besides this poor little town can use every dollar you drop while there. Big Dale |
"Doc Elder" wrote in
nk.net: But I have some serious problems with dumping little trout into a pond in December, banking on them all being caught before the water temperature kills them in June. That's true of quite a few stocking points even here in Massachusetts. Such a waste of resources. |
"Doc Elder" wrote in
nk.net: But I have some serious problems with dumping little trout into a pond in December, banking on them all being caught before the water temperature kills them in June. That's true of quite a few stocking points even here in Massachusetts. Such a waste of resources. |
On 17 Feb 2005 03:53:25 -0800, "Big Dale" wrote:
Doc Elder wrote: I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds. Trout are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water will likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be better spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several years and pro-creating. Doc: You sure hit the nail on the head with the above statement as far as I am concerned. This has been one of my main problems with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department for years and now with the license changes they made last year, you cna't be licensed to fish in this state without supporting this program. I damn near decided to not buy a license this year for that very reason. You selfish, self-centered *******! What are silly-assed, zero-lot-line North Dallas McMansionites supposed to do with all the trendy FFing gear they went out and bought? Seriously, though, if stocking at Gruene, etc., was iffy, what in the hell were they thinking with THIS stocking? It can only be for the yuppies, no? Or did John Wildly Gotaprice find a Armani FFing dashiki with a matching UZI-made flyrod and start screaming about "his people" not being able to have equal access to "trouts" or something? Don - get with one of these local guys and go fishing for bluegill, sandies, or some other native or at least well-suited species and boycott this horse**** program. You want farm-raised rainbow locally? Kroger, right there next to the catfish nuggets and "Krab Leggs"... HTH, R |
On 17 Feb 2005 03:53:25 -0800, "Big Dale" wrote:
Doc Elder wrote: I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds. Trout are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water will likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be better spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several years and pro-creating. Doc: You sure hit the nail on the head with the above statement as far as I am concerned. This has been one of my main problems with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department for years and now with the license changes they made last year, you cna't be licensed to fish in this state without supporting this program. I damn near decided to not buy a license this year for that very reason. You selfish, self-centered *******! What are silly-assed, zero-lot-line North Dallas McMansionites supposed to do with all the trendy FFing gear they went out and bought? Seriously, though, if stocking at Gruene, etc., was iffy, what in the hell were they thinking with THIS stocking? It can only be for the yuppies, no? Or did John Wildly Gotaprice find a Armani FFing dashiki with a matching UZI-made flyrod and start screaming about "his people" not being able to have equal access to "trouts" or something? Don - get with one of these local guys and go fishing for bluegill, sandies, or some other native or at least well-suited species and boycott this horse**** program. You want farm-raised rainbow locally? Kroger, right there next to the catfish nuggets and "Krab Leggs"... HTH, R |
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"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message ... wrote: But, Texans are famous for having more money than sense, They can get that much money picking up pop bottles for half a day. |
"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message ... wrote: But, Texans are famous for having more money than sense, They can get that much money picking up pop bottles for half a day. |
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D Screen wrote: Hi, I am still a newbie when it comes to flyfishing but not fishing in general. Recently I joined the Dallas Flyfishers. I can't say enough nice things about this group! Very helpful members and had a great trip to Broken Bow, OK last month with them. Texas stocks our local ponds with rainbows over the winter but the water is too warm come spring so it is catch and keep for most people fishing for them. Stockers WILL take flies, so it is probably something you are doing. Since it is a pond and your presentation might be off, what is the dry fly hatch? Try a dry fly, maybe a bwo? |
steve wrote:
Stockers WILL take flies, so it is probably something you are doing. Since it is a pond and your presentation might be off, what is the dry fly hatch? Try a dry fly, maybe a bwo? FWIW, my experience with the stocked fish down here is that it is useless to try to catch them on dries unless they are holdover fish. When they are first stocked, they are looking for other forms of food. I have had the same expeprience as the previous poster; using almost every fly in my arsenal with no luck while the corn and powerbait folks do just fine. The guys-in-the-know I have talked to say that your best bet is a "ham'n'egg" (SJ worm with an egg imitation dropped from it), or various midges (disco midge seems to be popular) or scuds (#18-20 olive scuds are popular). They use various weighted dropper systems to get the flies down. To be honest, it's more trouble than it's worth, IMHO. If I do fish for the trout, I do so more just to be on the water and get some casting practice in. If I just wanted to catch stockers, I'd probably get my ultralight spinning gear out and throw some cheez-links to them. Chuck Vance (garlic flavor seems to be best) |
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