Stocked bows

Hi,

I am still a newbie when it comes to flyfishing but not fishing in
general. Recently I joined the Dallas Flyfishers. I can't say enough
nice things about this group! Very helpful members and had a great trip
to Broken Bow, OK last month with them.

Texas stocks our local ponds with rainbows over the winter but the water
is too warm come spring so it is catch and keep for most people fishing
for them.
I have tried numerous flies trying to catch them with zero success.
All the while the guys fishing right next to me with spinning rods and
bread dough balls or power bait are catching one after another.
The trout have been fed pellets or so I have been told.

Any particular fly pattern that would work with these stockers?
I tried caddis flies that are brown like the pellets in their wet,
exploded form but that didn't work either. Nymphs, midges, pan fish
flies...etc nada....

Thanks,
Don
Allen, TX

D Screen wrote in news:BeednW-k46DJS47fRVn-
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Any particular fly pattern that would work with these stockers?
I tried caddis flies that are brown like the pellets in their wet,
exploded form but that didn't work either. Nymphs, midges, pan fish
flies...etc nada....

For winter 'bows I have always found that Chironomid patterns (aka
buzzers) fished deep and slow work well. Likewise scuds too. Anything
orange is is a good bet. If you're deperate tie on something orange,
something olive and something black in a team. It's practically
cheating for stockies.

D Screen wrote:
Hi,

I am still a newbie when it comes to flyfishing but not fishing in
general. Recently I joined the Dallas Flyfishers. I can't say enough
nice things about this group! Very helpful members and had a great trip
to Broken Bow, OK last month with them.

Texas stocks our local ponds with rainbows over the winter but the water
is too warm come spring so it is catch and keep for most people fishing
for them.
I have tried numerous flies trying to catch them with zero success.
All the while the guys fishing right next to me with spinning rods and
bread dough balls or power bait are catching one after another.
The trout have been fed pellets or so I have been told.

Any particular fly pattern that would work with these stockers?
I tried caddis flies that are brown like the pellets in their wet,
exploded form but that didn't work either. Nymphs, midges, pan fish
flies...etc nada....

Thanks,
Don
Allen, TX

Egg patterns, or pellet fly soaked in a fish attractant.

brians

brians wrote:

Egg patterns, or pellet fly soaked in a fish attractant.

Try the Purina Caddis. It's an easy tie. All you need are hooks,
superglue, and Purina Trout Chow pellets.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:25:07 -0600, D Screen
wrote:

Hi,

I am still a newbie when it comes to flyfishing but not fishing in
general. Recently I joined the Dallas Flyfishers. I can't say enough
nice things about this group! Very helpful members and had a great trip
to Broken Bow, OK last month with them.

Texas stocks our local ponds with rainbows over the winter but the water
is too warm come spring so it is catch and keep for most people fishing
for them.

Have they told you about the tailwater on the Brazos just below the
Possum Kingdom Dam? I saw some good sized stockers caught there when
I canoed starting about a mile below there. Sort of combat fishing,
but looked like fun. That was early in the year (March), but I
suspect that nearer the dam it's probably good all summer.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

I've only been to one meeting and one trip so far. Just joined the
Dallas Flyfishers in December. Heard about the Brazos in general but
not the tailwaters in particular. Going to start tying my own flies in
March and chasing mostly largemouth bass and the occassional striped
bass at Texoma with my fly rods. :-) Headed to Texoma in the morning
and taking the 8wt. Will post some pictures on the ABFP forum if we do
any good. I suspect I need a full sinking line to catch the stripers
this time of year not the floating lines I have now. Might have to
drege them up with slab spoons.

Don


Cyli wrote:



Have they told you about the tailwater on the Brazos just below the
Possum Kingdom Dam? I saw some good sized stockers caught there when
I canoed starting about a mile below there. Sort of combat fishing,
but looked like fun. That was early in the year (March), but I
suspect that nearer the dam it's probably good all summer.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

I'm over in Mesquite...forget the stocked Rainbows... they're about as
interesting as goldfish. The native, wild fish are much more colorful and
interesting. Fishing is a little slow right now, but as the skies brighten
and the water warms it can get to be a lot of fun.

For now, beaded nymphs and wooly buggers with a strand or three of something
flashy just might work, but the fish are holding deep and feeding
infrequently right now.

In a little bit....damsel-fly nymphs and chartreuse attracturesin the same
depths will bring up handsome warmouths, pumpkinseeds and such to smile at
and tell "grow big" before releasing. A little later, they hit the spawning
beds and they become easy pickings, if that's what you want. Any ol'
rubber spider can work.

I give them a rest then. After the spawn.... Mosquitoes in between the
hatches and Muddlers if nothing else seems to work. McGinty's also work
pretty well for me well into Autumn. but I have this lingering sense that if
I could devise a pattern to match the more prevalent honey-bee convincingly
it would be killer...the trick seems to be making it look convincingly
struggling in the surface tension.

Somewhat counter-intuitevly...10 or 12 sized Royal Coachmen slipped under
willow leaves seem to draw a lot of attention. And itty-bitty ants or
beetle imitations or scuds can be deadly, except when they aren't interested
And that happens.

I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds. Trout
are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also
cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water will
likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be better
spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several years
and pro-creating.

So the guys with the worms out fished you when it came to bringing in the
hatchery fish. Those were aquarium rainbows. I won't begrudge them their
fun, but it was kinda' like fishing for mutts by dragging a steak through a
dog pound. I can see that it works, but where's the challenge or the fun in
it.

There are wild fish, challenging, but takeable on a fly, real close to you.
Warm-water fish can be a lot of fun. There are good trout waters as close
as Oklahoma and the Arkansas Ozarks and if you can aim west....New Mexico
and Colorado aren't THAT far away if you are obsessed with Salmonids.
Nothing wrong with that...I just might bump into you back at the campsite it
you travel there.

But I have some serious problems with dumping little trout into a pond in
December, banking on them all being caught before the water temperature
kills them in June. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, if the game commission
spent a little more time and a little less money they might actually
contributed to the on-going health of the pond by planting fish that
belonged there.

Skip the planted rainbows. Discover the fish that belong in this neck of
the woods. They'll give you a better fight and learning how to catch them
will give you a better appreciation of the rivers, lakes, streams etc. you
have around you to explore. You're well located to sneak up to the upper
waters of the Trinity and the Brazos... They're fish rich all the way down
to the Gulf of Mexico.

There's an A.K. Best quote that seems to sum it all for me "The fishing is
always good, the catching...."

-Doc


"D Screen" wrote in message
...
I've only been to one meeting and one trip so far. Just joined the
Dallas Flyfishers in December. Heard about the Brazos in general but not
the tailwaters in particular. Going to start tying my own flies in March
and chasing mostly largemouth bass and the occassional striped bass at
Texoma with my fly rods. :-) Headed to Texoma in the morning and taking
the 8wt. Will post some pictures on the ABFP forum if we do any good. I
suspect I need a full sinking line to catch the stripers this time of year
not the floating lines I have now. Might have to drege them up with slab
spoons.

Don


Cyli wrote:



Have they told you about the tailwater on the Brazos just below the
Possum Kingdom Dam? I saw some good sized stockers caught there when
I canoed starting about a mile below there. Sort of combat fishing,
but looked like fun. That was early in the year (March), but I
suspect that nearer the dam it's probably good all summer.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Doc Elder wrote:
I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds.
Trout
are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also

cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water
will
likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be
better
spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several
years
and pro-creating.

Doc: You sure hit the nail on the head with the above statement as far
as I am concerned. This has been one of my main problems with the Texas
Parks and Wildlife Department for years and now with the license
changes they made last year, you cna't be licensed to fish in this
state without supporting this program. I damn near decided to not buy a
license this year for that very reason. I can still fish for wild trout
by merely driving a few days either east or west.

Don: If you want to learn how to catch those stocked little pale
imitations of trout you might want to travel to Arkansas to check out
the Little Missouri Fishing Festival and mine Jeff Gurin's mind on how
to catch them. Jeff is The guide on Arkansas's closest trout fishing
water and realy knows his stuff. Learn more at
WWW.Littlemissouriflyfishing.com This will be my first year to miss
this event. You will also see several of the Dallas Flyfishers at this
event. Besides this poor little town can use every dollar you drop
while there.

Big Dale

On 17 Feb 2005 03:53:25 -0800, "Big Dale" wrote:


Doc Elder wrote:
I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds.
Trout
are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also

cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water
will
likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be
better
spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several
years
and pro-creating.

Doc: You sure hit the nail on the head with the above statement as far
as I am concerned. This has been one of my main problems with the Texas
Parks and Wildlife Department for years and now with the license
changes they made last year, you cna't be licensed to fish in this
state without supporting this program. I damn near decided to not buy a
license this year for that very reason.

You selfish, self-centered *******! What are silly-assed, zero-lot-line
North Dallas McMansionites supposed to do with all the trendy FFing gear
they went out and bought? Seriously, though, if stocking at Gruene,
etc., was iffy, what in the hell were they thinking with THIS stocking?
It can only be for the yuppies, no? Or did John Wildly Gotaprice find a
Armani FFing dashiki with a matching UZI-made flyrod and start screaming
about "his people" not being able to have equal access to "trouts" or
something?

Don - get with one of these local guys and go fishing for bluegill,
sandies, or some other native or at least well-suited species and
boycott this horse**** program. You want farm-raised rainbow locally?
Kroger, right there next to the catfish nuggets and "Krab Leggs"...

HTH,
R

On 17 Feb 2005 03:53:25 -0800, "Big Dale" wrote:


Doc Elder wrote:
I have a real problem with TP&W stocking trout in North Texas ponds.
Trout
are glamour fish and therefore popular to talk about. Trout are also

cold-water fish and what's the point in stocking them where the water
will
likely get hot enough to kill them? Seems to me, the money would be
better
spent stocking fish that would have a good chance of lasting several
years
and pro-creating.

Doc: You sure hit the nail on the head with the above statement as far
as I am concerned. This has been one of my main problems with the Texas
Parks and Wildlife Department for years and now with the license
changes they made last year, you cna't be licensed to fish in this
state without supporting this program. I damn near decided to not buy a
license this year for that very reason.

You selfish, self-centered *******! What are silly-assed, zero-lot-line
North Dallas McMansionites supposed to do with all the trendy FFing gear
they went out and bought? Seriously, though, if stocking at Gruene,
etc., was iffy, what in the hell were they thinking with THIS stocking?
It can only be for the yuppies, no? Or did John Wildly Gotaprice find a
Armani FFing dashiki with a matching UZI-made flyrod and start screaming
about "his people" not being able to have equal access to "trouts" or
something?

Don - get with one of these local guys and go fishing for bluegill,
sandies, or some other native or at least well-suited species and
boycott this horse**** program. You want farm-raised rainbow locally?
Kroger, right there next to the catfish nuggets and "Krab Leggs"...

HTH,
R