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When is a whip
a pole?
In other words what defines a whip as a whip and a pole as a pole? Is it based on length, or line attachment...or other factors? Or a combination of things? TIA |
"caroline" wrote in message ... a pole? In other words what defines a whip as a whip and a pole as a pole? Is it based on length, or line attachment...or other factors? Or a combination of things? AFAIK a whip is quite short (up to 6m), is telescopic (rather than put-over) and has a very soft tip with a eye on the end that acts as a buffer rather than being elasticated through the inside of the pole... Poles are generally put-over joints (except the top couple of sections -the "top kit") and are quite stiff along the entire length, the elastic running through the centre of the pole buffers while the pole remains pretty much straight. Poles can be bought at lengths over 16m these days. I may be corrected, but that is my understanding... Matt |
"caroline" wrote in message
... a pole? In other words what defines a whip as a whip and a pole as a pole? Is it based on length, or line attachment...or other factors? Or a combination of things? TIA In short, to the last question. Yes!! OK read on. While this is not always the case. A pole tends to be broken down when landing a fish, until an manageable length is reached to net the fish. A whip tends to be fished to hand and the fish swung in. The whip or short pole tends to be the method of choice for catching small silver fish that are fairly close to the bank. You are likely from time to time to come across a carp or large tench. Then you will have a fight on your hands with a small whip. This is where a margin pole comes into play, they are much more robust in their handling of larger fish. Whips and Margin poles tend to be up to 9 metres long. Poles in general tend to be from 9 - 16 metres long (there are longer floating poles) these poles enable the angler to reach features that bit further out, but can of course be fished at any length within that range. HTH |
In message , caroline
writes a pole? In other words what defines a whip as a whip and a pole as a pole? Is it based on length, or line attachment...or other factors? Or a combination of things? IMO, a whip is a short pole, fished to-hand, which does not use elastic. Lots of them are purpose-built telescopic poles, but when I got my 11m for quite some time I left the spare top 3 with a flick tip and no elastic, and I'd be quite happy to describe that as a whip. -- Steve Walker |
Thanks all for your replies...
So I have a 6m telescopic....but, it uses elastic, bungs etc. I was advised at the time of purchase to run a no.8 elastic through it, which I have done... At the weekend I christened it with a good fight from a rainbow trout (just over 2½lb) on sweetcorn....sweet or what ;o) Followed by a second trout later in the day, still on sweetcorn but giving less of a fight... Was great to see the elastic working really hard as it was my first direct adventure with elastic So is it a whip or a pole? |
"Ergo" wrote
"caroline" wrote a pole? In other words what defines a whip as a whip and a pole as a pole? Is it based on length, or line attachment...or other factors? Or a combination of things? TIA In short, to the last question. Yes!! OK read on. While this is not always the case. A pole tends to be broken down when landing a fish, until an manageable length is reached to net the fish. A whip tends to be fished to hand and the fish swung in. The whip or short pole tends to be the method of choice for catching small silver fish that are fairly close to the bank. You are likely from time to time to come across a carp or large tench. Then you will have a fight on your hands with a small whip. This is where a margin pole comes into play, they are much more robust in their handling of larger fish. Sorry, will teach me to read replies properly before posting ;o) So, following on to the reply I've just posted, and after having re-read your reply properly....perhaps what I have is a margin pole??? TBH it doesn't matter to me...but I was always of the school that whips had an eye at the top for attaching line, and poles used elastic....which is why my latest buy confuses me....but learning to use elastic is all good fun, and education for the day when I graduate up to my first 'proper' pole ;o) |
"caroline" wrote in message ... Thanks all for your replies... So I have a 6m telescopic....but, it uses elastic, bungs etc. I was advised at the time of purchase to run a no.8 elastic through it, which I have done... At the weekend I christened it with a good fight from a rainbow trout (just over 2½lb) on sweetcorn....sweet or what ;o) Followed by a second trout later in the day, still on sweetcorn but giving less of a fight... Was great to see the elastic working really hard as it was my first direct adventure with elastic So is it a whip or a pole? I would say you have a short pole. Whips are not designed to be elasticated, but many can be... __ m@ |
"Matt (IS Team)" wrote in message
... "caroline" wrote in message ... Thanks all for your replies... So I have a 6m telescopic....but, it uses elastic, bungs etc. I was advised at the time of purchase to run a no.8 elastic through it, which I have done... At the weekend I christened it with a good fight from a rainbow trout (just over 2½lb) on sweetcorn....sweet or what ;o) Followed by a second trout later in the day, still on sweetcorn but giving less of a fight... Was great to see the elastic working really hard as it was my first direct adventure with elastic So is it a whip or a pole? I would say you have a short pole. Whips are not designed to be elasticated, but many can be... That is just as succinct as I was going to be Matt :D But catching trout eh! -- Don't go chasing crocks of gold, or you will miss seeing the rainbows www.eric-gales.co.uk Skype Ergo01 |
"Ergo" wrote
"Matt (IS Team)" wrote "caroline" wrote Thanks all for your replies... So I have a 6m telescopic....but, it uses elastic, bungs etc. I was advised at the time of purchase to run a no.8 elastic through it, which I have done... At the weekend I christened it with a good fight from a rainbow trout (just over 2½lb) on sweetcorn....sweet or what ;o) Followed by a second trout later in the day, still on sweetcorn but giving less of a fight... Was great to see the elastic working really hard as it was my first direct adventure with elastic So is it a whip or a pole? I would say you have a short pole. Whips are not designed to be elasticated, but many can be... That is just as succinct as I was going to be Matt :D But catching trout eh! LOL...yes, the OH was getting very miffed, because he was specifically out for tench with his fancy kit and he kept pulling rainbows in too. I was there with my new whip/pole and just happy to be catching fish...any fish....regardless of what it is But I'm reliably informed that catching trout on sweetcorn on a whip/pole is not a common occurence...??? can anyone elaborate? The Oh just tells me its good and I did well...but is he humouring me? FWIW I'm not a fishing person, but the OH is a fishing freek and a fish farm manager...so I picked up a dirt cheap whip (4m) a few years ago, to accompany him occasionally, and this year I picked up a dirt cheap pole/whip with a bit more length and very light to boot. This fishing lark intrigues me, but I don't have the pasion to be out all the time. I was drawn to poles after watching a few fishing programmes featuring them, and it was suggested I start with a cheap whip to see if I still liked the idea....well if I continue to fish, and spend money n bigger/better gear then I just know I'm going to stick with the pole-idea...definitely my kind of thing, and a lot less faffing than using reels etc... ;o) |
"caroline" wrote in message
... "Ergo" wrote "Matt (IS Team)" wrote "caroline" wrote snip I was there with my new whip/pole and just happy to be catching fish...any fish....regardless of what it is But I'm reliably informed that catching trout on sweetcorn on a whip/pole is not a common occurence...??? can anyone elaborate? The Oh just tells me its good and I did well...but is he humouring me? FWIW I'm not a fishing person, but the OH is a fishing freek and a fish farm manager...so I picked up a dirt cheap whip (4m) a few years ago, to accompany him occasionally, and this year I picked up a dirt cheap pole/whip with a bit more length and very light to boot. This fishing lark intrigues me, but I don't have the pasion to be out all the time. I was drawn to poles after watching a few fishing programmes featuring them, and it was suggested I start with a cheap whip to see if I still liked the idea....well if I continue to fish, and spend money n bigger/better gear then I just know I'm going to stick with the pole-idea...definitely my kind of thing, and a lot less faffing than using reels etc... ;o) Good for you Caroline, the only problem with a pole is high wind, but that can be over come by burying the pole just below the surface, but you have to be careful when you lift into a fish that you don't snap it. Don't expect results everytime unless the water is stuffed with fish. I was out today with my little toy, feeding constantly small amounts of hook bait. The fish just weren't playing ball. All I had all day were 5 Bream to 3lbs and a load of roach towards the end. When you really get to grips with the whip, get yourself a comfortable box, but not too large, as you will soon fill it with all sorts of stuff and will have a hard job picking it up. Then you can progress to a longer pole, at first don't try and fish it at full length, you have to build up muscle to be able to hold it for say 5 hours. Each time you go try that extra length, of course if the fish are in closer you won't need it. Once you reach 14.5 metres, think if you really need to go to 16. It is more likely than not that you will ever need to. I have a 16 metre Garbolino Super Legion and don't think I have fished it at full length more than once. Of course with my pole it tends to be a lot lighter than the shorter poles, so you pays your money and makes your choice. P.S. Next time you get a decent size Rainbow, you don't fancy running it down to Eastbourne do you? ;) |
The OH thought it would be nice to enter me in a low-key local fishing
competition with my 'pole' this weekend...any tips for a first timer (who's still a complete fishing novice)? |
In message , Derek.Moody
writes However: If you want to catch plenty of fish then avoid matches like the plague - the first thing any match angler does is to scare all the fish out from under the near bank and all the put all the larger fish off the feed. On your own you can creep in and catch those first. Although; I once turned up to fish a chub session on a small river, just as the match was weighing in. There was a guy fishing one of my favourite chub swims proudly weighing in a couple of pounds of gudgeon and roach, caught on the stick float. He didn't mind if I started fishing, so I dropped in at the bottom of his swim and lowered a big chunk of bread flake into the roots of the tree. He looked a little gutted at the first-cast result... -- Steve Walker |
In article , Steve Walker
wrote: In message , Derek.Moody writes However: If you want to catch plenty of fish then avoid matches like the plague - the first thing any match angler does is to scare all the fish out from under the near bank and all the put all the larger fish off the feed. On your own you can creep in and catch those first. Although; I once turned up to fish a chub session on a small river, just as the match was weighing in. There was a guy fishing one of my favourite chub swims proudly weighing in a couple of pounds of gudgeon and roach, caught on the stick float. He didn't mind if I started fishing, so I dropped in at the bottom of his swim and lowered a big chunk of bread flake into the roots of the tree. He looked a little gutted at the first-cast result... That's right. He'd just stopped repeatedly disturbing the water and had thrown in all his remaining groundbait... Cheerio, -- |
"Derek.Moody" wrote in message ... In article , caroline wrote: The OH thought it would be nice to enter me in a low-key local fishing competition with my 'pole' this weekend...any tips for a first timer (who's still a complete fishing novice)? Yes. Don't. :-) If you -really- want to learn match fishing tactics then go along - but don't fish. Keep well back so you don't scare anyone's fish (or give them the excuse to grumble that you might have done) Take binoculars and just watch, watch carefully and take notes - in particular try to work out if/why/when baiting tactics work or not. Take photographs (with a decent telephoto and tripod you can get lots of interesting details) to stay 'friends' you can offer the contestants pictures of themselves landing fish - remarkably few anglers have really good pictures of themselves fishing. Then at the end play journalist and interview a few of the characters who's actions interest you. Oh, take names etc. both so you can send pictures to the contestants and in case you can really write up the match and send an article in to the angling press - you never know, there may be an alternative career in this... Next day - return to the venue and try out a few of the things you have learned. Weigh your catch - would you have won? However: If you want to catch plenty of fish then avoid matches like the plague - the first thing any match angler does is to scare all the fish out from under the near bank and all the put all the larger fish off the feed. On your own you can creep in and catch those first. Thanks Derek But I think you've overestimated the fishing comp I'm going in...its 10 guys on a friend's lake, putting up a few quid for charity, to win a bottle of whiskey... I've no intention of disturbing anyone's swim....whilst *I* maybe a newbie to fishing. I've had fishermen in my life since I was a child...(father, brother etc)///I am quite capable of conducting myself properly at a quiet fishing venue This competition is a lark, and we have entered as such....and as such I hope to have fun... I'll let you know how I get on..still learning bout groundbaitng over my tea this morning...and last night I had a lesson in the garden on using my landing net... ;o) |
"caroline" wrote in message ... "Derek.Moody" wrote in message ... In article , caroline wrote: snip This competition is a lark, and we have entered as such....and as such I hope to have fun... I'll let you know how I get on..still learning bout groundbaitng over my tea this morning...and last night I had a lesson in the garden on using my landing net... ;o) landed 2 grass carp and 4 slabs then ..... ;o) Richard |
In article , caroline
wrote: But I think you've overestimated the fishing comp I'm going in...its 10 guys on a friend's lake, putting up a few quid for charity, to win a bottle of whiskey... On the contrary, it sounds like there will be a wide range of skill and tactics - you will learn faster when a fair few of your, er, 'subjects' are making elementary errors. A high-powered match where everyone is highly skilled will not deliver the same contrasts as many will adopt similar tactics (whatever suits the day/water) and it will be harder to spot the factors that give an advantage, or not. This competition is a lark, and we have entered as such....and as such I hope to have fun... I hope you do... I'll let you know how I get on..still learning bout groundbaitng over my tea this morning...and last night I had a lesson in the garden on using my landing net... ;o) The delicate balance between attracting fish and feeding them..? -IF- this water is stocked at a natural level then a large bucket of sloppy bottom mud and the crumbs from a few slices of dry bread would be about right, plus a few free samples of whatever is on the hook. - Most maggots BTW sink at a rate of 8ft (2.6m) per minute. As I rarely fish stillwaters I'm in the March doldrums atm. The coarse river season finished in a flurry of medium sized roach, the (river) trout are still ten days away and the sea is still between the winter and summer fish - but the firstcomers will be along in a tide or two ;-) So my next groundbaiting session may well start with a bucket full of scroff (the 'garbage' out of the bottom of the net) blagged from a trawler before it's shovelled over the side... but that's OT here. Cheerio, -- |
"caroline" wrote
I'll let you know how I get on... Well I'm not sure how much fun I had...but I wasn't disgraced (or at least I wasn't alone in disgrace ;o) 10 seniors in the end, and 4 young lads who had their own junior section. I was first to draw my peg being the only 'lady' there... Remembering my brother and other fishing freaks always going on about the direction of the wind it was apparently a good thing to get this peg, so I sat for 5 hours with the wind very firmly in my face...gusting to gale force at times...all good fun so I'm told ;o) So, how did I get on? Well...I didn't catch a thing....but neither did 12 of the other 'competitors'...the winner was the only guy to land anything, and he won with a whopping bag of 6 or so tiny rudd. Now seeing as the lake is stocked by persons close to me, we all know its not a fact of having no fish...if anything its slightly overstocked, with some good sized specimens too...who gave me a lovely show at times during the day, one carp who rolled on the surface a few times near me was lovely to see. ....as to why the fish all decided not to feed yesterday is anyone's guess ;o) |
"caroline" wrote in message ... "caroline" wrote snip Remembering my brother and other fishing freaks always going on about the direction of the wind it was apparently a good thing to get this peg, so I sat for 5 hours with the wind very firmly in my face...gusting to gale force at times...all good fun so I'm told ;o) Hmm ..... Imo that depends on the 'type/style' of fishing and the species being targetted, the size/characteristics and local knowledge of the lake, the time of year, the actual wind direction, how long it has been 'from' that direction, if it recently changed how recently and from what direction ...... amongst a few other things like for example the temperature. Also, Ime how all these factors impinge on a quite shallow small (1acre) lake is very different to a larger (25acre) former quarry or gravel pit. Richard |
In article , caroline
wrote: Remembering my brother and other fishing freaks always going on about the direction of the wind it was apparently a good thing to get this peg, so I sat for 5 hours with the wind very firmly in my face...gusting to gale force at times...all good fun so I'm told ;o) So you didn't need a pole and were able to sit well back from the edge and fish the extreme margin..? Or the drop-off where the backflow tumbled food washed from the margin into the depths? So, how did I get on? Well...I didn't catch a thing....but neither did 12 of the other 'competitors'...the winner was the only guy to land anything, and he won with a whopping bag of 6 or so tiny rudd. And did you notice how he did it? Ah well. Matches are often like that ime. Cheerio, -- |
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