my first fly
 

today I realized my first fly :)
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down
too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically.
any suggestion?

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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today I realized my first fly :)
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down
too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically.
any suggestion?

--
ciao
Vittorix

Some kind of spray on dressing? A body made from fluffed feathers or other
fuzz as opposed to built up?

Actually that looks like a good fly to throw for bass in an area with lots
of pumpkinseed sunfish, and subsurface is not a bad thing. Basically it
looks like a streamer.

I'ld also post your Q over in ROFF and/or in ABPF.


--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Bob La Londe wrote:

today I realized my first fly :)
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks
down too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less
vertically. any suggestion?

Some kind of spray on dressing?

I've a lot to learn, what kind of spray?

Actually that looks like a good fly to throw for bass in an area with
lots of pumpkinseed sunfish, and subsurface is not a bad thing.
Basically it looks like a streamer.

good, I'll try where there are basses.
do you know what colors would be better for
stiped/largemouth/smallmouth?

I'ld also post your Q over in ROFF and/or in ABPF.

unluckily my news server doesn't support ABPF, do you know a public free
server who has a lot of newsgroups and ABPF?
what is the largest free american news server?

I'm going to post in ROFF, hoping they won't kill me :)

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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Bob La Londe wrote:

today I realized my first fly :)
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks
down too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less
vertically. any suggestion?

Some kind of spray on dressing?

I've a lot to learn, what kind of spray?

Yes, a lot to learn including how to reap the benefits of other's knowledge
with out sounding like you are too lazy to do any research on your own.

I think Joe Haubenreich first pointed this out to you in another thread, but
you have a way of coming off that sounds like "do it for me."

Now I am going to give you a little extra help anyway.

1. First bear in mind, I am not a fly fiherman, but I GAVE you this basic
concept.
2. Go to Google. Oh allright. Type www.google.com into the address box
on your browser, and then press Enter.
3. Goto the text box that appears in the middle of the screen and type in
fly dressing. If that doesn't give you anything useful then try "fly
dressing", if that still doesn't show any good results try make flies
float.
4. a. Now visit all the links it shows you and read what it has to
say.
b. Go more than 1 or 2 pages deep in the search results. Usually
you can get to all the decent informational pages within 3 or 4 pages of
search results. Don't discount purely commercial pages though. Often those
people understand that in order to sell product they have to give some
useful information.
5. After spending a day or two studying and learning so that you have a
real knowledge of what others have taken the time to document for you go
back to Google and do a search for answers to your new questions.
6. After doing all of that go back over to ROFF and ask the brand new
questions you have that you have not been able to research and figure out on
your own. Questions you don't even know to ask right now.

Not trying to be sarcastic (well maybe a little bit)
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Well I think that's pretty good for a first attempt - My first fly was a bog
standard black spider although my daughter's first attempt was more like
something you'd see worn at royal ascot!

One other thing, fish tend not to be too fussy about the finer points of
flytying - so don't worry too much about how it looks. Your creation is just
as likely to catch something as the most professionally tied fly.

John



Visit Harelaw Trout Fishery
http://www.harelaw.net




"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
today I realized my first fly :)
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down
too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically.
any suggestion?

--
ciao
Vittorix

Bob La Londe wrote:

I've a lot to learn, what kind of spray?

Yes, a lot to learn including how to reap the benefits of other's
knowledge with out sounding like you are too lazy to do any research
on your own.
I think Joe Haubenreich first pointed this out to you in another
thread, but you have a way of coming off that sounds like "do it for
me."

I don't understand the reason of this polemics. I don't know if there is
some problem with the language, but I am usually used to post answers,
questions and discussions in other newsgroups in Italian where I teach
with no problem all I know the best to the newbies (I'm a lot more
expert of sea fishing than freshwaters) and I in the mean time ask
questions and raise discussions, that are the purpose of the newsgroups.
I give patiently 3000 times the same suggestions about fishing sea
breams and European basses to newbies without saying them "search on the
Google and RTFM!".
Joe Haubenreich kindly told me about two studies but I couldn't find
them, so I think you should just don't be prejudiced and relax.

Now I am going to give you a little extra help anyway.

1. First bear in mind, I am not a fly fiherman, but I GAVE you
this basic concept.
2. Go to Google. Oh allright. Type www.google.com into the
address box on your browser, and then press Enter.
3. Goto the text box that appears in the middle of the screen and
type in fly dressing. If that doesn't give you anything useful
then try "fly dressing", if that still doesn't show any good results
try make flies float.
4. a. Now visit all the links it shows you and read what it
has to say.
b. Go more than 1 or 2 pages deep in the search results.
Usually you can get to all the decent informational pages within 3 or
4 pages of search results. Don't discount purely commercial pages
though. Often those people understand that in order to sell product
they have to give some useful information.
5. After spending a day or two studying and learning so that you
have a real knowledge of what others have taken the time to document
for you go back to Google and do a search for answers to your new
questions. 6. After doing all of that go back over to ROFF and ask
the brand
new questions you have that you have not been able to research and
figure out on your own. Questions you don't even know to ask right
now.
Not trying to be sarcastic (well maybe a little bit)

you result just stupid.

--
ciao
Vittorix

Flycatcher wrote:
Well I think that's pretty good for a first attempt - My first fly
was a bog standard black spider although my daughter's first attempt
was more like something you'd see worn at royal ascot!

thanks Flycatcher, thats encouraging!

One other thing, fish tend not to be too fussy about the finer points
of flytying - so don't worry too much about how it looks. Your
creation is just as likely to catch something as the most
professionally tied fly.


I'm trying to enstabilish what is really important to fishes and I'm
discussing in other newsgroups about colors, I don't know if fishes see
really them or not.
maybe the form and the movement of the fly it's more important than the
color, but some people swears colors can make the difference!

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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Not trying to be sarcastic (well maybe a little bit)

you result just stupid.


Just stupid? Really. Well, before posting my suggestion I actually did
exactly those steps. I found a huge number of articles on fly dressing,
although most of them referred to the tying materials, and not to a dressing
to make them float. Then I did the search for - make flies float - and
found a couple good articles on just that. You just managed to come off yet
again like one of those students I used to tutor in college who would come
for help and then shortly reveal that they had never done any of the
homework or research. They didn't even know if they had a problem with the
material because they never bothered to read it.

I gave you a possible answer to your question and some constructive
criticism to your design in my first reply. Yet instead of using that
knowledge to good use and looking it up you asked the rest of us to do it
for you.

Since I don't read Italian, (although Babel fish could translate if I
cared), I haven't bothered to read any of your posts on the IT newsgroups,
but I have read dozens of your recent posts in English language groups,and
you seem to be all take and very little give.

Give me a boat ride. Tell me the conclusions of the studies, I can't be
bothered to look them up. (Not even can you tell me if there is a link
where I can read them myself) Tell me what to use and how to do it even
though you already gave me the basic building step I needed.

Was my result stupid? Yeah probably, to you anyway. Most vacuums find
anything they can't just suck up to be stupid.
--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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but some people swears colors can make the difference!

And some people read the studies.


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Vittorix" wrote in message
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but some people swears colors can make the difference!

And some people read the studies.



Here is a freebie.
http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/lure.html
First result on a Yahoo search.

Nope I won't read it and summarize it for you. LOL.


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Bob La Londe wrote:

Just stupid? Really. Well, before posting my suggestion I actually

[snip]
newsgroups are made to raise and discuss as I did, not for insulting
others and waste their time. and nobody is forced to respond answers.
if people would just to learn stuff can just go and buy books and search
on Google, not writing on newsgroups.
in a newsgroup I'm free to ask and discuss all IT arguments I want.
I have thousands posts in it.hobby.pescare where I discuss and suggest
newbies how to fish in salt water, as a lot of other people taught to
me.
go to Google and check.
in freshwaters I consider myself not a newbie but I learner, so I've
many answers to ask, so don't waste your time and mine with stupid "go
and search on Google" and do yourself a pleasu don't read my posts
and live in peace.

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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don't read my posts
and live in peace.


ROFLMAO


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

How a fly should be dressed is one of those great controversial topics !

I'm only an amateur, but I think like any keen angler, we quite often start
with a tried and trusted pattern and then over time we vary the theme
slightly to see if it will improve effectiveness. I personally believe that
both colour and overall shape are important factors, but like many people,
I'm still looking for that perfect combination.

Having said that, if there was such a thing as the one perfect fly for all
conditions, venues and seasons, I think everyone's fly boxes would look far
far less interesting than they do today.

If you want some examples, you can find some of ours at
http://harelaw.net/lflies.htm. if you look at the cormorant or the greenwell
spider, you will see that they are quite different to the depictions on many
other sites.

While I'm here, when you talk about realizing, I think you mean dressing
(or alternatively tying).

Have fun with your new pastime

John







"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
Flycatcher wrote:
Well I think that's pretty good for a first attempt - My first fly
was a bog standard black spider although my daughter's first attempt
was more like something you'd see worn at royal ascot!

thanks Flycatcher, thats encouraging!

One other thing, fish tend not to be too fussy about the finer points
of flytying - so don't worry too much about how it looks. Your
creation is just as likely to catch something as the most
professionally tied fly.


I'm trying to enstabilish what is really important to fishes and I'm
discussing in other newsgroups about colors, I don't know if fishes see
really them or not.
maybe the form and the movement of the fly it's more important than the
color, but some people swears colors can make the difference!

--
ciao
Vittorix

Flycatcher wrote:
How a fly should be dressed is one of those great controversial
topics !

I'm only an amateur, but I think like any keen angler, we quite often
start with a tried and trusted pattern and then over time we vary the
theme slightly to see if it will improve effectiveness. I personally
believe that both colour and overall shape are important factors, but
like many people, I'm still looking for that perfect combination.

do you prefer gloom or bright or natural colors?

Having said that, if there was such a thing as the one perfect fly
for all conditions, venues and seasons, I think everyone's fly boxes
would look far far less interesting than they do today.

I agree! fishing it's so nice because you never know

If you want some examples, you can find some of ours at
http://harelaw.net/lflies.htm. if you look at the cormorant or the
greenwell spider, you will see that they are quite different to the
depictions on many other sites.

nice, two things make me curious: the first is the semplicity and the
second is the fact that the hook it's not hidden.
why?

While I'm here, when you talk about realizing, I think you mean
dressing (or alternatively tying).

thanks, I'm Italian, I just moved in Usa and I apreciate emendations

--
ciao
Vittorix

do you prefer gloom or bright or natural colors?
Personally, I like the traditional colours achieved by a variery of natural
feathers and fur., but there are those times when you have a particular
colour you're looking for and you just can't find it in the natural world.
(for instance theres a distinct lack of wild red ibis around here, and even
if there were a few, I think there would be objections to me shooting them
for their feathers


I'm not sure I'd use the word gloom. Some of the best flies appear quite
dull, but I think thats because of the way we humans see the world. If you
were a fish or a bird, the greens and browns are probably really quite
interesting colours as most of their insect food take on these colours to
camouflage themselves. Those that are less well camoufllaged tend to be less
pleasant to eat .
Flies imitating fish fry, and various aquatic invertebrates have more room
for colour. obviously that is not a hard and fast rule.

nice, two things make me curious: the first is the semplicity and the
second is the fact that the hook it's not hidden.
why?

There's a tradition in the north of england (which extends into scotland)
for very sparsely tied flies. Its been around for a long time and is known
as the north country method. Two classic north country flies are 1). the
snipe and purple and the 2). partridge and orange. If you do a search for
those flies, on google you will see what I mean.

Why is the hook not hidden ? because the fly catches fish whether or not
they see the hook. Perhaps the hook shape imitates the curve of a
particular type of insect larva. I can't say for sure, I can only vouch for
them as consistent catchers of good trout and grayling.

Regarding the english thing. no problems, any time. I wish I could
speak/write another language with as much fluency as you.

John









"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
Flycatcher wrote:
How a fly should be dressed is one of those great controversial
topics !

I'm only an amateur, but I think like any keen angler, we quite often
start with a tried and trusted pattern and then over time we vary the
theme slightly to see if it will improve effectiveness. I personally
believe that both colour and overall shape are important factors, but
like many people, I'm still looking for that perfect combination.

do you prefer gloom or bright or natural colors?

Having said that, if there was such a thing as the one perfect fly
for all conditions, venues and seasons, I think everyone's fly boxes
would look far far less interesting than they do today.

I agree! fishing it's so nice because you never know

If you want some examples, you can find some of ours at
http://harelaw.net/lflies.htm. if you look at the cormorant or the
greenwell spider, you will see that they are quite different to the
depictions on many other sites.

nice, two things make me curious: the first is the semplicity and the
second is the fact that the hook it's not hidden.
why?

While I'm here, when you talk about realizing, I think you mean
dressing (or alternatively tying).

thanks, I'm Italian, I just moved in Usa and I apreciate emendations

--
ciao
Vittorix

Personally speaking, I think that the quest for knowledge comes in many
guises. Yes theree are other sources, but to accuse someone of being lazy
because he is asking for information from those who know something about the
subjectIsn't really fair. Surely asking questions here shows a degree of
enthusiasm which should be encouraged rather than be a cause for criticism.
After all, the primary reason I use this newsgroup is to acquire knowledge
from those with more experience.

I hope that at some point I will be able to share any gained knowledge with
others and encourage them in their endeavours.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...

"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
Bob La Londe wrote:

today I realized my first fly :)
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks
down too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less
vertically. any suggestion?

Some kind of spray on dressing?

I've a lot to learn, what kind of spray?

Yes, a lot to learn including how to reap the benefits of other's
knowledge
with out sounding like you are too lazy to do any research on your own.

I think Joe Haubenreich first pointed this out to you in another thread,
but
you have a way of coming off that sounds like "do it for me."

Now I am going to give you a little extra help anyway.

1. First bear in mind, I am not a fly fiherman, but I GAVE you this
basic
concept.
2. Go to Google. Oh allright. Type www.google.com into the address
box
on your browser, and then press Enter.
3. Goto the text box that appears in the middle of the screen and type
in
fly dressing. If that doesn't give you anything useful then try "fly
dressing", if that still doesn't show any good results try make flies
float.
4. a. Now visit all the links it shows you and read what it has to
say.
b. Go more than 1 or 2 pages deep in the search results.
Usually
you can get to all the decent informational pages within 3 or 4 pages of
search results. Don't discount purely commercial pages though. Often
those
people understand that in order to sell product they have to give some
useful information.
5. After spending a day or two studying and learning so that you have a
real knowledge of what others have taken the time to document for you go
back to Google and do a search for answers to your new questions.
6. After doing all of that go back over to ROFF and ask the brand new
questions you have that you have not been able to research and figure out
on
your own. Questions you don't even know to ask right now.

Not trying to be sarcastic (well maybe a little bit)
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Flycatcher wrote:

I'm not sure I'd use the word gloom.

I use a vocabulary to help myself translating from Italian my ideas :))

Some of the best flies appear
quite dull, but I think thats because of the way we humans see the
world. If you were a fish or a bird, the greens and browns are
probably really quite interesting colours as most of their insect
food take on these colours to camouflage themselves. Those that are
less well camoufllaged tend to be less pleasant to eat .
Flies imitating fish fry, and various aquatic invertebrates have
more room for colour. obviously that is not a hard and fast rule.

interesting!
so I should avoid too vivid colors?
I thing maybe the best thing should know the river better and the
natural food is in every period, like larvae or eggs or whatever, before
concentrating about colors and forms. I'd take a mask and try to observe
the rivers :)
when I learned fishing on the sea, I often did diving near my worms and
clouds of larvae :)

nice, two things make me curious: the first is the semplicity and the
second is the fact that the hook it's not hidden.
why?

There's a tradition in the north of england (which extends into
scotland) for very sparsely tied flies. Its been around for a long
time and is known as the north country method. Two classic north
country flies are 1). the snipe and purple and the 2). partridge and
orange. If you do a search for those flies, on google you will see
what I mean.

I found the birds and the flies, they're so beautiful!!!

http://www.danica.com/flytier/bobpetti/s&p.htm
http://www.danica.com/flytier/hweile...ipe_purple.htm
http://www.fishingwithstyle.co.uk/NC...Purple%202.JPG
http://www.fishingwithstyle.co.uk/NC...nd%200%202.JPG

do they work in american rivers and lakes?

Why is the hook not hidden ? because the fly catches fish whether or
not they see the hook. Perhaps the hook shape imitates the curve of a
particular type of insect larva. I can't say for sure, I can only
vouch for them as consistent catchers of good trout and grayling.

perfect!
but the hook should be restrained or can be bis like for basses?

Regarding the english thing. no problems, any time. I wish I could
speak/write another language with as much fluency as you.

my wife is American and we live here, so I must survive :-)

--
ciao
Vittorix

Flycatcher wrote:
Personally speaking, I think that the quest for knowledge comes in
many guises. Yes theree are other sources, but to accuse someone of
being lazy because he is asking for information from those who know
something about the subjectIsn't really fair. Surely asking questions
here shows a degree of enthusiasm which should be encouraged rather
than be a cause for criticism. After all, the primary reason I use
this newsgroup is to acquire knowledge from those with more
experience.

well said Flycatcher!
a lot of enthusiasm.
i changed continent, friends, habits in a year and I had to change from
sea fishing to freshwaters.

I hope that at some point I will be able to share any gained
knowledge with others and encourage them in their endeavours.

it's very good to do so and I enjoy it.
I have been posting in the Italian fishing newsgroup for about 6 years
almost every day and at the beginning I learned a lot, I had the fortune
to meet world champions and I became friend with many Italian fishermen
through the newsgroup. I still share often my holidays and friendship
with them, and daily I respond questions on the newsgroup fishing
newbies passing my knowledge as I can.
that's the original aim and the target of newsgroups.

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Flycatcher" wrote in message
...
Personally speaking, I think that the quest for knowledge comes in many
guises. Yes theree are other sources, but to accuse someone of being lazy
because he is asking for information from those who know something about
the
subjectIsn't really fair.

100% true. It isn't fair, but neither is it fair to ask for a tip or lead
on something and THEN without looking it up or following up on it expect
those that help you to feel obligated to do the follow up for you.

This is the kind of behavior which finds fewer and fewer good Samaritans out
there. Offer to jump start somebody's car and when you discover there is
something else wrong they EXPECT you stay and help them fix it. I know my
example is extreme, but this is the type of feeling this posters brings
about. I have also noticed a different tone to this poster's new posts
since this began.

Some of the tech newsgroups are worse which is why I rarely read them
anymore. "I know you get paid for doing this and I expect to get paid for
what I do, but I am to cheap to pay a technician in my home town to fix it
for me so please take lots of your time and write a detailed reply about
which wire to put under which screw so I can do for myself for free what you
normally get paid for." On the other hand those who start with what they
have done and tried and ask for a little help knowing that whoever answers
them is being generous to share with them somehow don't set me off even
though their intent is the same.

By the way, every one of the threads by this poster that I have replied to I
offered good solid feedback. He just took offense when I told him to look
up something very straight forward and very simple. Even then I gave him
solid details on how to get good results.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Well its a perfectly valid (although imho a rather cynical) outlook on life.
I have to say though, if everyone had that particular outlook, there
probably wouldn't be much point of joining a newsgroup at all - as everyone
would be be asking for money for any advice offered.

If you really feel that someone is being lazy and "scrounging the
information (my rather sweeping interpretation of your reply to me - I
acknowledge that its a bit more complex than that) that we've all worked so
hard to gain", what was the point in replying to the post at all?

I did notice that you did offer some quite good advice, but again that is a
bit confusing as if you truly believe what you wrote, why bother giving any
advice at all?

John



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Vittorix" wrote in message
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don't read my posts
and live in peace.


ROFLMAO


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Ooops - posetd to the wrong sub thread. Sorry!

:-)


"Flycatcher" wrote in message
...
Well its a perfectly valid (although imho a rather cynical) outlook on
life.
I have to say though, if everyone had that particular outlook, there
probably wouldn't be much point of joining a newsgroup at all - as
everyone
would be be asking for money for any advice offered.

If you really feel that someone is being lazy and "scrounging the
information (my rather sweeping interpretation of your reply to me - I
acknowledge that its a bit more complex than that) that we've all worked
so
hard to gain", what was the point in replying to the post at all?

I did notice that you did offer some quite good advice, but again that is
a
bit confusing as if you truly believe what you wrote, why bother giving
any
advice at all?

John



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
don't read my posts
and live in peace.


ROFLMAO


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

"Flycatcher" wrote in message
...
Well its a perfectly valid (although imho a rather cynical) outlook on
life.
I have to say though, if everyone had that particular outlook, there
probably wouldn't be much point of joining a newsgroup at all - as
everyone
would be be asking for money for any advice offered.

If you really feel that someone is being lazy and "scrounging the
information (my rather sweeping interpretation of your reply to me - I
acknowledge that its a bit more complex than that) that we've all worked
so
hard to gain", what was the point in replying to the post at all?

I did notice that you did offer some quite good advice, but again that is
a
bit confusing as if you truly believe what you wrote, why bother giving
any
advice at all?

John


I hear you John, and your are right. Its not that simple. It does get the
point across. I don't mind helping people. I just don't like people who
act like other people owe it to them. I'm more into helping people who are
willing to help themselves. In college I used to tutor economics, and a
number of computer subjects. It really enjoyed helping those people who
were working to understand. Those you could clearly see were putting their
full capabilities into it. Often with those people you could present a
concept they were struggling with in a couple different ways, and they would
run away with it.

I hated those who would walk into the computer lab, and say, "I need helping
doing my final assignment for the year."

"Ok, what part is giving you trouble?"

"All of it."

"Ok, so how far have you gotten?"

"Um, I couldn't figure out how to start."

"Ok, so how did you start all the other assignments through out the year."

"The instructor said if I got a good grade on the final I'ld pass, so I
decided to just do the final."

"Ok, here is an example of how to get started."

"Where is that in my assignment."

"Its not part of your assignment. Its an example."

Angrily, "Well I need help with my assignment, not an example."

"Here you go."

"What's this?"

"A prewritten letter complaining that I won't help you for the dean of
students.. Just take it over to the dean's office. All you have to do is
sign and date it."

LOL.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Bob La Londe wrote:

I hear you John, and your are right. Its not that simple. It does
get the point across. I don't mind helping people. I just don't
like people who act like other people owe it to them. I'm more into
helping people who are willing to help themselves.

what the hell you are arriving to invent!
people who act like you owe it? who the hell did pretend you respond my
answers.
I specifically told I'm not competent to help people here and that I
help people in a lot of other ways.
you really are a gal.

I hated those who would walk into the computer lab, and say, "I need
helping doing my final assignment for the year."
[...]
"A prewritten letter complaining that I won't help you for the dean of
students.. Just take it over to the dean's office. All you have to
do is sign and date it."

I understand, you got a lot of problems and you brought your problems
here.
go fishing and relax man, you're inventing weid stories.
everybody can read the posts and see nobody act like this.

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
Bob La Londe wrote:

I understand, you got a lot of problems and you brought your problems
here.
go fishing and relax man, you're inventing weid stories.
everybody can read the posts and see nobody act like this.

How other people read your posts is up to them, but you sir resorted to
vulgarity and crudity. Is that supposed to impress anybody with how
wonderful you are?

In addition to resorting to crudity and vulgarity, you claim to respond in
kind yet when I offered you real and useful information and assistance you
continued to be crude and insulting. In one thread you told somebody

"I don't care who La Blonde is if he started ironically insulting me,
it's not my fault.
when he will calm down and just write friendly of fishing I'll respond
frendly to him as I'm used to do with everyone."

You didn't. Almost every response from you has had a vulgarity or reference
to a vulgarity or crudity. I'm not saying you are a liar, but your follow
up certainly doesn't match your statement.

You also said in deference to other Usenet users,

" you are not funny instead, you are boring, Blow La Blonde.
that's the reason I won't reply you anymore, also to respect others
newsgroup's people"

Yet, you did continue to reply to me. You also carried your vulgar and
directly insulting behavior over into other groups. Groups where my
responses to you were sincerely helpful and useful.

So, you can do or say what you like, but everything you put down in this
group and any other is retrievable. I doubt most folks care about your
petty problem with me. They aren't going to waste their time going back and
seeing that you have had some inconsistencies in what you say. All they are
going to see is that I have given you solid and useful responses to many
queries, and directly helped you in one or two of them, yet you continue to
use vulgar, crude and insulting terms in your responses.

May you have the best of luck. I am going to give you one of the things you
wanted. I will no longer read your posts. In fact after I finish posting
this message I will put your user name on my blocked list so I will not see
it again. Yeah for you! Jump in. Have the last word. I won't even see
it.


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Bob La Londe wrote:

I understand, you got a lot of problems and you brought your problems
here.
go fishing and relax man, you're inventing weid stories.
everybody can read the posts and see nobody act like this.

How other people read your posts is up to them, but you sir resorted
to vulgarity and crudity. Is that supposed to impress anybody with
how wonderful you are?

[snip]
you're a gal Blow La Blonde. you don't have guts. you spend time in the
Usenet trolling, insulting and teasing people.
and I even kindly thanked you for information that were unuseful.

May you have the best of luck. I am going to give you one of the
things you wanted. I will no longer read your posts.

I hope you're not lying, gal

--
ciao
Vittorix

you're a gal Blow La Blonde. you don't have guts. you spend time in the
Usenet trolling, insulting and teasing people.
and I even kindly thanked you for information that were unuseful.
Wow! He graciously bows out and you continue with your blatantly
childlike behavior. What a jackass. I know Bob, and I have seen him
tumble with the best of them. As I said in my e-mail I am amazed he
has taken you so lightly. Bob doesn't hide behind his keyboard. If
you want I'll be glad to set up a meeting. He lives in Yuma, Arizona.
Just a couple hundred mile side trip from your upcoming Las Vegas trip.
Let us know. I'll call Bob and let him know when and where you will
be showing up.

I hope you're not lying, gal.
Amazing. You have clearly demonstrated yourself not to be do what you
say, and you have the gall to call somebody else a liar.

wrote in message
oups.com...
you're a gal Blow La Blonde. you don't have guts. you spend time in the
Usenet trolling, insulting and teasing people.
and I even kindly thanked you for information that were unuseful.
Wow! He graciously bows out and you continue with your blatantly
childlike behavior. What a jackass. I know Bob, and I have seen him
tumble with the best of them. As I said in my e-mail I am amazed he
has taken you so lightly. Bob doesn't hide behind his keyboard. If
you want I'll be glad to set up a meeting. He lives in Yuma, Arizona.
Just a couple hundred mile side trip from your upcoming Las Vegas trip.
Let us know. I'll call Bob and let him know when and where you will
be showing up.

I hope you're not lying, gal.
Amazing. You have clearly demonstrated yourself not to be do what you
say, and you have the gall to call somebody else a liar.


Good grief dude. Let it go. LOL. He was funny for a while, but now it has
degenerated into name calling. Atleast do me the courtesy of not quoting
his insults so I don't have to read them when I read your posts.

You do know that posting through Google or e-mailing through Yahoo only
gives you cursory anonymity don't you?

--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:40:23 -0500, "Vittorix"
wrote:

(snipped)

you're a gal Blow La Blonde. you don't have guts. you spend time in the
Usenet trolling, insulting and teasing people.
and I even kindly thanked you for information that were unuseful.

May you have the best of luck. I am going to give you one of the
things you wanted. I will no longer read your posts.

I hope you're not lying, gal


Seems as if in your usual newsgroups you don't have any women who get
pretty ****ed off at someone insulting another by calling them "a
gal."

What a misogynist.

Cyli
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Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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