my first fly

today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down
too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically.
any suggestion?

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down
too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically.
any suggestion?

--
ciao
Vittorix

Some kind of spray on dressing? A body made from fluffed feathers or other
fuzz as opposed to built up?

Actually that looks like a good fly to throw for bass in an area with lots
of pumpkinseed sunfish, and subsurface is not a bad thing. Basically it
looks like a streamer.

I'ld also post your Q over in ROFF and/or in ABPF.


--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Bob La Londe wrote:

today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks
down too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less
vertically. any suggestion?

Some kind of spray on dressing?

I've a lot to learn, what kind of spray?

Actually that looks like a good fly to throw for bass in an area with
lots of pumpkinseed sunfish, and subsurface is not a bad thing.
Basically it looks like a streamer.

good, I'll try where there are basses.
do you know what colors would be better for
stiped/largemouth/smallmouth?

I'ld also post your Q over in ROFF and/or in ABPF.

unluckily my news server doesn't support ABPF, do you know a public free
server who has a lot of newsgroups and ABPF?
what is the largest free american news server?

I'm going to post in ROFF, hoping they won't kill me

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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Bob La Londe wrote:

today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks
down too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less
vertically. any suggestion?

Some kind of spray on dressing?

I've a lot to learn, what kind of spray?

Yes, a lot to learn including how to reap the benefits of other's knowledge
with out sounding like you are too lazy to do any research on your own.

I think Joe Haubenreich first pointed this out to you in another thread, but
you have a way of coming off that sounds like "do it for me."

Now I am going to give you a little extra help anyway.

1. First bear in mind, I am not a fly fiherman, but I GAVE you this basic
concept.
2. Go to Google. Oh allright. Type www.google.com into the address box
on your browser, and then press Enter.
3. Goto the text box that appears in the middle of the screen and type in
fly dressing. If that doesn't give you anything useful then try "fly
dressing", if that still doesn't show any good results try make flies
float.
4. a. Now visit all the links it shows you and read what it has to
say.
b. Go more than 1 or 2 pages deep in the search results. Usually
you can get to all the decent informational pages within 3 or 4 pages of
search results. Don't discount purely commercial pages though. Often those
people understand that in order to sell product they have to give some
useful information.
5. After spending a day or two studying and learning so that you have a
real knowledge of what others have taken the time to document for you go
back to Google and do a search for answers to your new questions.
6. After doing all of that go back over to ROFF and ask the brand new
questions you have that you have not been able to research and figure out on
your own. Questions you don't even know to ask right now.

Not trying to be sarcastic (well maybe a little bit)
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Bob La Londe wrote:

I've a lot to learn, what kind of spray?

Yes, a lot to learn including how to reap the benefits of other's
knowledge with out sounding like you are too lazy to do any research
on your own.
I think Joe Haubenreich first pointed this out to you in another
thread, but you have a way of coming off that sounds like "do it for
me."

I don't understand the reason of this polemics. I don't know if there is
some problem with the language, but I am usually used to post answers,
questions and discussions in other newsgroups in Italian where I teach
with no problem all I know the best to the newbies (I'm a lot more
expert of sea fishing than freshwaters) and I in the mean time ask
questions and raise discussions, that are the purpose of the newsgroups.
I give patiently 3000 times the same suggestions about fishing sea
breams and European basses to newbies without saying them "search on the
Google and RTFM!".
Joe Haubenreich kindly told me about two studies but I couldn't find
them, so I think you should just don't be prejudiced and relax.

Now I am going to give you a little extra help anyway.

1. First bear in mind, I am not a fly fiherman, but I GAVE you
this basic concept.
2. Go to Google. Oh allright. Type www.google.com into the
address box on your browser, and then press Enter.
3. Goto the text box that appears in the middle of the screen and
type in fly dressing. If that doesn't give you anything useful
then try "fly dressing", if that still doesn't show any good results
try make flies float.
4. a. Now visit all the links it shows you and read what it
has to say.
b. Go more than 1 or 2 pages deep in the search results.
Usually you can get to all the decent informational pages within 3 or
4 pages of search results. Don't discount purely commercial pages
though. Often those people understand that in order to sell product
they have to give some useful information.
5. After spending a day or two studying and learning so that you
have a real knowledge of what others have taken the time to document
for you go back to Google and do a search for answers to your new
questions. 6. After doing all of that go back over to ROFF and ask
the brand
new questions you have that you have not been able to research and
figure out on your own. Questions you don't even know to ask right
now.
Not trying to be sarcastic (well maybe a little bit)

you result just stupid.

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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Not trying to be sarcastic (well maybe a little bit)

you result just stupid.


Just stupid? Really. Well, before posting my suggestion I actually did
exactly those steps. I found a huge number of articles on fly dressing,
although most of them referred to the tying materials, and not to a dressing
to make them float. Then I did the search for - make flies float - and
found a couple good articles on just that. You just managed to come off yet
again like one of those students I used to tutor in college who would come
for help and then shortly reveal that they had never done any of the
homework or research. They didn't even know if they had a problem with the
material because they never bothered to read it.

I gave you a possible answer to your question and some constructive
criticism to your design in my first reply. Yet instead of using that
knowledge to good use and looking it up you asked the rest of us to do it
for you.

Since I don't read Italian, (although Babel fish could translate if I
cared), I haven't bothered to read any of your posts on the IT newsgroups,
but I have read dozens of your recent posts in English language groups,and
you seem to be all take and very little give.

Give me a boat ride. Tell me the conclusions of the studies, I can't be
bothered to look them up. (Not even can you tell me if there is a link
where I can read them myself) Tell me what to use and how to do it even
though you already gave me the basic building step I needed.

Was my result stupid? Yeah probably, to you anyway. Most vacuums find
anything they can't just suck up to be stupid.
--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Personally speaking, I think that the quest for knowledge comes in many
guises. Yes theree are other sources, but to accuse someone of being lazy
because he is asking for information from those who know something about the
subjectIsn't really fair. Surely asking questions here shows a degree of
enthusiasm which should be encouraged rather than be a cause for criticism.
After all, the primary reason I use this newsgroup is to acquire knowledge
from those with more experience.

I hope that at some point I will be able to share any gained knowledge with
others and encourage them in their endeavours.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
Bob La Londe wrote:

today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks
down too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less
vertically. any suggestion?

Some kind of spray on dressing?

I've a lot to learn, what kind of spray?

Yes, a lot to learn including how to reap the benefits of other's
knowledge
with out sounding like you are too lazy to do any research on your own.

I think Joe Haubenreich first pointed this out to you in another thread,
but
you have a way of coming off that sounds like "do it for me."

Now I am going to give you a little extra help anyway.

1. First bear in mind, I am not a fly fiherman, but I GAVE you this
basic
concept.
2. Go to Google. Oh allright. Type www.google.com into the address
box
on your browser, and then press Enter.
3. Goto the text box that appears in the middle of the screen and type
in
fly dressing. If that doesn't give you anything useful then try "fly
dressing", if that still doesn't show any good results try make flies
float.
4. a. Now visit all the links it shows you and read what it has to
say.
b. Go more than 1 or 2 pages deep in the search results.
Usually
you can get to all the decent informational pages within 3 or 4 pages of
search results. Don't discount purely commercial pages though. Often
those
people understand that in order to sell product they have to give some
useful information.
5. After spending a day or two studying and learning so that you have a
real knowledge of what others have taken the time to document for you go
back to Google and do a search for answers to your new questions.
6. After doing all of that go back over to ROFF and ask the brand new
questions you have that you have not been able to research and figure out
on
your own. Questions you don't even know to ask right now.

Not trying to be sarcastic (well maybe a little bit)
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Flycatcher wrote:
Personally speaking, I think that the quest for knowledge comes in
many guises. Yes theree are other sources, but to accuse someone of
being lazy because he is asking for information from those who know
something about the subjectIsn't really fair. Surely asking questions
here shows a degree of enthusiasm which should be encouraged rather
than be a cause for criticism. After all, the primary reason I use
this newsgroup is to acquire knowledge from those with more
experience.

well said Flycatcher!
a lot of enthusiasm.
i changed continent, friends, habits in a year and I had to change from
sea fishing to freshwaters.

I hope that at some point I will be able to share any gained
knowledge with others and encourage them in their endeavours.

it's very good to do so and I enjoy it.
I have been posting in the Italian fishing newsgroup for about 6 years
almost every day and at the beginning I learned a lot, I had the fortune
to meet world champions and I became friend with many Italian fishermen
through the newsgroup. I still share often my holidays and friendship
with them, and daily I respond questions on the newsgroup fishing
newbies passing my knowledge as I can.
that's the original aim and the target of newsgroups.

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Flycatcher" wrote in message
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Personally speaking, I think that the quest for knowledge comes in many
guises. Yes theree are other sources, but to accuse someone of being lazy
because he is asking for information from those who know something about
the
subjectIsn't really fair.

100% true. It isn't fair, but neither is it fair to ask for a tip or lead
on something and THEN without looking it up or following up on it expect
those that help you to feel obligated to do the follow up for you.

This is the kind of behavior which finds fewer and fewer good Samaritans out
there. Offer to jump start somebody's car and when you discover there is
something else wrong they EXPECT you stay and help them fix it. I know my
example is extreme, but this is the type of feeling this posters brings
about. I have also noticed a different tone to this poster's new posts
since this began.

Some of the tech newsgroups are worse which is why I rarely read them
anymore. "I know you get paid for doing this and I expect to get paid for
what I do, but I am to cheap to pay a technician in my home town to fix it
for me so please take lots of your time and write a detailed reply about
which wire to put under which screw so I can do for myself for free what you
normally get paid for." On the other hand those who start with what they
have done and tried and ask for a little help knowing that whoever answers
them is being generous to share with them somehow don't set me off even
though their intent is the same.

By the way, every one of the threads by this poster that I have replied to I
offered good solid feedback. He just took offense when I told him to look
up something very straight forward and very simple. Even then I gave him
solid details on how to get good results.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Well I think that's pretty good for a first attempt - My first fly was a bog
standard black spider although my daughter's first attempt was more like
something you'd see worn at royal ascot!

One other thing, fish tend not to be too fussy about the finer points of
flytying - so don't worry too much about how it looks. Your creation is just
as likely to catch something as the most professionally tied fly.

John



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"Vittorix" wrote in message
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today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet.

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down
too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically.
any suggestion?

--
ciao
Vittorix