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With Wayno and Bruiser discussing country music thought I would offer the
latest rating

--TOP 17 COUNTRY SONGS:

17. I Hate Every Bone in her Body but Mine


16. It's Hard To Kiss the Lips at Night That Chewed Your Ass
Out All Day
Long





15. If I Can't Be Number One in Your Life, Then Number Two On
You



14. If the Phone Don't Ring, You'll Know It's Me



13. How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away?



12. I Liked You Better Before I Got to Know w You So Well



11. I Still Miss You Baby, but My Aim's Gettin' Better



10. I Wouldn't Take Her To A Dog Fight 'Cause I'm Afraid She'd
Win



9. I'll Marry You Tomorrow, But Let's Honeymoon Tonight



8. I'm So Miserable Without You, It's Like You're Still Here



7. If I Had Shot You When I First Wanted to, I'd Be Out Of
Prison By Now



6. My Wife Ran Off With My Best Friend and I Sure Do M iss Him



5. She Got the Ring And I Got The Finger



4. You're The Reason Our Kids Are So Ugly



3. Her Teeth Was Stained, but Her Heart Was Pure



2. She's Looking Better After Every Beer



And the Number #1 country song is. . . .



1.
I Ain't Never Gone To Bed with Ugly Women, but I've Sure Woke
Up With A Few


[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:37:08 GMT, "Joe McIntosh"
wrote:

With Wayno and Bruiser discussing country music thought I would offer the
latest rating

--TOP 17 COUNTRY SONGS:
That the playlist on your iPod IJ? g
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

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Joe McIntosh wrote:
snip
[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

It's best not to use offensive racial slurs lest people
think you are an ignorant old fool.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:25:38 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Joe McIntosh wrote:
snip
[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

It's best not to use offensive racial slurs lest people
think you are an ignorant old fool.

Got the Vicks and the Vagasil mixed up again, eh 40?
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

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Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote:
snip
[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}
It's best not to use offensive racial slurs lest people
think you are an ignorant old fool.

Got the Vicks and the Vagasil mixed up again, eh 40?

Wow, that sure was funny. You know what's mixed up ?
It ain't the guy who complains about offensive racial
slurs, it's guys like you who don't.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote:
snip
[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian
Princess and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}
It's best not to use offensive racial slurs lest people
think you are an ignorant old fool.

Amazing. rest of the usual double drivel snipped

LOL !! You're a funny one you are, little Wolfie. Keep
up the good work.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Charlie Choc wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:25:38 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Joe McIntosh wrote:

snip

[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

It's best not to use offensive racial slurs lest people
think you are an ignorant old fool.


Got the Vicks and the Vagasil mixed up again, eh 40?

may be the funniest image and comment of all time... simply, but
unquestionably, well, you know...hilarious. thanks charlie...

jeff

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Joe McIntosh wrote
...obviously spoofed set of country songs

How do I know?

Well, you almost fooled me until I realized there wasn't any in there about
a truck, a train or mother.
--

-dnc-

Who actually likes country music ... depending on who's doin it.

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Fiddleaway wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote
...obviously spoofed set of country songs

How do I know?

Well, you almost fooled me until I realized there wasn't any in there about
a truck, a train or mother.
--

-dnc-


http://www.lyricsdir.com/the-notorio...ng-lyrics.html

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In article .com,
says...

Fiddleaway wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote
...obviously spoofed set of country songs

How do I know?

Well, you almost fooled me until I realized there wasn't any in there about
a truck, a train or mother.


http://www.lyricsdir.com/the-notorio...ng-lyrics.html


"I Never Went to Bed With an Ugly Woman, but I Sure Woke Up With a Few"
is a Bobby Bare song.

Kevin

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
om...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote:
snip
[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian
Princess and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}
It's best not to use offensive racial slurs lest people
think you are an ignorant old fool.

Amazing. rest of the usual double drivel snipped

LOL !! You're a funny one you are, little Wolfie. Keep
up the good work.

As you age, you continue to surrender, if not more graciously, then at least
ever more quickly and easily. The careless reader could mistake this for
the beginning of wisdom. :)

Wolfgang
patterns.....it's all in the patterns.

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote:
snip
[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian
Princess and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}
It's best not to use offensive racial slurs lest people
think you are an ignorant old fool.
Amazing. rest of the usual double drivel snipped
LOL !! You're a funny one you are, little Wolfie. Keep
up the good work.

As you age, the ususal double drivel snipped

There you go again, you crack me up, little Wolfie.
Don't change a thing, you're just too, too funny.

Oh, and how do you feel about offensive racial slurs ?
That just hunky-dory with you, little fellow ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Joe McIntosh wrote:
snip
[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian
Princess and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}
It's best not to use offensive racial slurs lest people
think you are an ignorant old fool.
Amazing. rest of the usual double drivel snipped
LOL !! You're a funny one you are, little Wolfie. Keep
up the good work.

As you age, the ususal double drivel snipped

There you go again, you crack me up, little Wolfie.
Don't change a thing, you're just too, too funny.

Oh, and how do you feel about offensive racial slurs ?
That just hunky-dory with you, little fellow ?

Racial slurs? Was there a racial slur and nobody told me?

Go ahead, make your case.

Wolfgang
bets, anyone? :)

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Oh, and how do you feel about offensive racial slurs ?
That just hunky-dory with you, little fellow ?

Racial slurs? the ususal double drivel snipped

Yes, an offensive racial slur. Answer the question, little
Wolfie, are offensive racial slurs just hunky-dory with you ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
om...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Oh, and how do you feel about offensive racial slurs ?
That just hunky-dory with you, little fellow ?

Racial slurs? the ususal double drivel snipped

Yes, an offensive racial slur. Answer the question, little
Wolfie, are offensive racial slurs just hunky-dory with you ?

Show me one......let's see what happens.

Go ahead, make your case. :)

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Oh, and how do you feel about offensive racial slurs ?
That just hunky-dory with you, little fellow ?
Racial slurs? the ususal double drivel snipped
Yes, an offensive racial slur. Answer the question, little
Wolfie, are offensive racial slurs just hunky-dory with you ?

Show me one......let's see what happens.

OK. How about this one from that ignorant old fool Joe McIntosh.

[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"asadi" wrote in message
et...

"Wolfgang"

Racial slurs? Was there a racial slur and nobody told me?


Wolfgang
bets, anyone? :)


I think slurs are in the mouth of the bespeaker...

I mean I love a good red-necked or hillbilly joke...


Two Indians and a West Virginian Hillbilly were walking in the woods, all of
a sudden one of the Indians ran up a hill to the mouth of a small cave.
Wooooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!" he called into the cave and then he listened very
closely until he heard an answering, "Wooooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!" He tore off
his clothes and ran into the cave.
The Hillbilly was puzzled and asked the other Indian what that was all
about. Was the other Indian crazy or what? "No," said the Indian. "It is
custom during mating season when Indian men see cave, they call 'Wooooo!
Wooooo! Wooooo!' into cave. If they get answer back, it means girl in there
waiting to mate."

Just then they saw another cave.The Indian ran up to the opening of the
cave, stopped, and hollered, "Woooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!" Immediately, there was
an answering "Wooooo! Wooooo!Wooooo!" from deep Inside the cave, so He tore
off his clothes and ran into the cave.

The Hillbilly wandered around in the woods alone for a while, and then he
came upon a great big cave. As he looked in, he was amazed at the size of
the huge opening, he was thinking, "Oh, man! Look at the size of this cave!
It is bigger than those the Indians found. There must be some really big,
fine women in this cave!" He stood in front of the opening and hollered with
all his might "Wooooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!".

He grinned and closed his eyes in anticipation, and then he heard the
answering call, "WOOOOOOOOO! WOOOOOOOOO! WOOOOOOOOO!" With a gleam in his
eyes and a smile on his face, he raced into the cave, tearing off his
clothes as he ran. The following day, the headline of the local newspaper
read..... NAKED HILLBILLY RUN OVER BY TRAIN.

-tom

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Oh, and how do you feel about offensive racial slurs ?
That just hunky-dory with you, little fellow ?
Racial slurs? the ususal double drivel snipped
Yes, an offensive racial slur. Answer the question, little
Wolfie, are offensive racial slurs just hunky-dory with you ?

Show me one......let's see what happens.

OK. How about this one from that ignorant old fool Joe McIntosh.

[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

Hm......

Well, I believe that Joe has some Cherokee ancestors.....an impression whose
origins I don't remember but believe to be reinforced by statements he's
made in the past, and certainly bolstered by the fact that a number of
Cherokee McIntoshes played prominent roles in that whole Trail of Tears
business.....you know, good old Andy Jackson and all that. Numerous
descendents of pre-Columbian residents of North America still prefer
"Indian" to "native American." Therefore, while "Indian certainly CAN be
used pejoratively.....as a racial slur, that is.....I hardly think it was so
used in this instance. For one thing, as John pointed out, members of
various groups have arrogated unto themselves a certain license to use among
themselves terms that they deem offensive coming from outsiders. There is
nothing new or unusual about this. It's been going on throughout history,
and the phenomenon is by no means limited to ethnic or racial groups.
"Indian" is on the margins.....some find it offensive, some don't. Your
going to have a really hard time selling the notion that Joe used it as a
slur.

"Princess" is racially neutral except in the also marginal case of "Jewish
American Princess," frequently abbreviated as JAP which, interestingly, is
also an abbreviated term for Japanese people and their descendents and most
definitely IS deemed an offensive racial slur by most people sensitive to
these issues, at least in the latter sense. In the former, all of the above
observations apply but very few people find the term particularly offensive
and it has never enjoyed widespread popularity anyway. Even as a derogatory
term for the Japanese it's use has rapidly faded in the last couple of
decades. At any rate, Joe clearly referred to an "Indian" princess, so none
of that really matters for our purposes here. "Princess" is also sometime
used by homophobes but that isn't the issue here either.

"Bed".....well, that's just something people sleep on. I've never
encountered any evidence that anyone associates race (for good or ill) with
a bed.

"Fat" is frequently used deliberately to insult and often enough in
conjunction with other derogatory terms that might or might not be racial
but, again, there is no evidence that the word carries any racial baggage of
its own.

That leaves us with "Squaw." Like "Jap," "squaw" is rapidly fading from the
language. One encounters it today mostly in examples of dialect or in
historical references. Millions of Americans today don't even know the
word. We've got two whole generations here who were not raised on cowboy
movies, cowboy T.V. shows and cowboy books....who did not carry a cowboy
lunchbox to school (come to think of it, millions of them probably don't
know what a lunch box is), and who did not grow up wanting to be a cowboy.
Moreover, through most of its history, "squaw" has been a perfectly
respectable word meaning the wife of any Indian and/or the Indian wife of
anybody else. For example, no less a stalwart of feminine Victorian
propriety that Isabella Bird used the word frequently in her 1856
travelogue, "An Englishwoman in America," without so much as a hint of
derogation.....even with very little of the condescension that came so
easily to 19th century imperial Britons, and especially so compared with
what she had to say about her "white" fellow travelers and hosts.

The bottom line is that "squaw" is on the fast track to oblivion. As a
racial slur it leaves much to be desired, not the least of which is
recognition. Give it another 20 years and, if it is used at all, it will
engender about as much shock and opprobrium (and, again, recognition) as
does "gypped" as a synonym for cheated, bilked, etc. (bonus points will be
awarded to anyone who gets the connection :).

In the meantime, it would be MUCH easier to make a convincing case for the
proposition that "squaw" is a MISOGYNISTIC slur, something you would know a
lot more about than Joe is likely to, and which brings us (at last) to where
we should have been a long time ago.....and to where we all knew this was
going.....eventually.......right?

In fact, you and I know (as do many others here) that you really don't give
a **** about racial slurs in general or about Joe's use of the word squaw in
particular. In fact, we all know that the motivation for this little
charade is exactly the same uncontrollable urge that caused you to start
that nasty thread about Snakefiddler the other day and has compelled you to
say so many vile things to her when she was here for no reason at
all......let alone anything like a good one. The same little demonic voice
that tells you that any human being is expendable in the never ending search
for recognition and approval.......ANYBODY'S approval, however repulsive
even you find him.....not.....NEVER.....her.

So, here you are once again, as you knew you would be, slowly turning on a
spit of your own making.....knowing that there is no way forward and none
back. Sidestepping is out of the question. What to do......eh? Nothing
left but to go sit in the corner and play with your compact dic.

Wolfgang
given the frightful faces he makes whenever he eventually realizes what he's
stepped in, you'd think the boy would learn to watch where he puts his
feet......and you'd be wrong.

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Show me one......let's see what happens.
OK. How about this one from that ignorant old fool Joe McIntosh.

[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

Hm......

snip *way* more than usual of the typical double drivel

The bottom line is that "squaw" is on the fast track to oblivion. As a
racial slur it leaves much to be desired, not the least of which is
recognition.

Nope, it's a racial slur without a doubt. That's not even
a debatable point. Well, I won't debate it with you at any
rate, as far as I'm concerned it's a racial slur and that's
that. However if you still feel compelled to argue the point
I suggest you visit one of the many Wisconsin reservations,
take up a seat in the casino bar and argue away. Take that
old fool McIntosh with you and don't forget the trip report.
And pictures, LOL !!!!, take lots of pictures.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Wolfgang wrote:
Give it another 20 years and, if it is used at all, it will
engender about as much shock and opprobrium (and, again, recognition) as
does "gypped" as a synonym for cheated, bilked, etc. (bonus points will be
awarded to anyone who gets the connection :).


oooh...oooh... "gypsies"... i get to fish the left side of the stream
in september.

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In article ,
says...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Show me one......let's see what happens.
OK. How about this one from that ignorant old fool Joe McIntosh.

[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

Hm......

snip *way* more than usual of the typical double drivel

The bottom line is that "squaw" is on the fast track to oblivion. As a
racial slur it leaves much to be desired, not the least of which is
recognition.

Nope, it's a racial slur without a doubt. That's not even
a debatable point. Well, I won't debate it with you at any
rate, as far as I'm concerned it's a racial slur and that's
that.

Well my squaw doesn't object and that counts for more than some
hypersensitive liberal white-boy from cornfield land.

With all due respect. ;-)
- Ken

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Show me one......let's see what happens.
OK. How about this one from that ignorant old fool Joe McIntosh.

[ that one reminds me of the time I went to bed with an Indian Princess
and awoke the next morning with a fat squaw}

Hm......

snip *way* more than usual of the typical double drivel
The bottom line is that "squaw" is on the fast track to oblivion. As a
racial slur it leaves much to be desired, not the least of which is
recognition.

Nope, it's a racial slur without a doubt. That's not even
a debatable point. Well, I won't debate it with you at any
rate, as far as I'm concerned it's a racial slur and that's
that. However if you still feel compelled to argue the point
I suggest you visit one of the many Wisconsin reservations,
take up a seat in the casino bar and argue away. Take that
old fool McIntosh with you and don't forget the trip report.
And pictures, LOL !!!!, take lots of pictures.

I've been to some of the Wisconsin reservations. Been to a lot of
bars......never in a casino, though. Been to a few private homes, too.
Used to share office space at UWSP with the Native American Center. Just
checked their website. I see Sharon Cloud is still there. Mary Tsosie is
gone. So is Larry Waukau. They were an interesting bunch of folks. We
used to talk. Never found much to argue about. They'd have gotten a real
kick out of you.

Wolfgang

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:gDGUf.2445$fS6.308@dukeread11...
Wolfgang wrote:
Give it another 20 years and, if it is used at all, it will
engender about as much shock and opprobrium (and, again, recognition) as
does "gypped" as a synonym for cheated, bilked, etc. (bonus points will
be awarded to anyone who gets the connection :).


oooh...oooh... "gypsies"... i get to fish the left side of the stream in
september.

I was gonna let you do that anyway. :)

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote:
... They were an interesting bunch of folks. We
used to talk. Never found much to argue about. ...

I don't doubt that for a moment, I've always found you
to be quite civil in person, it's your Usenet persona
that's sociopathic.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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In article ,
says...
wrote:
says...
Wolfgang wrote:
The bottom line is that "squaw" is on the fast track to oblivion. As a
racial slur it leaves much to be desired, not the least of which is
recognition.
Nope, it's a racial slur without a doubt. That's not even
a debatable point. Well, I won't debate it with you at any
rate, as far as I'm concerned it's a racial slur and that's
that.

Well my squaw doesn't object and that counts for more than some
hypersensitive liberal white-boy from cornfield land.

Your **** is in the minority.

Not in my poll of squaws....betcha I know a whole lot more than
you do.
- Ken

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
t...
wrote:
says...
wrote:
says...
Nope, it's a racial slur without a doubt. That's not even
a debatable point. Well, I won't debate it with you at any
rate, as far as I'm concerned it's a racial slur and that's
that.
Well my squaw doesn't object and that counts for more than some
hypersensitive liberal white-boy from cornfield land.
Your **** is in the minority.

Not in my poll of squaws....betcha I know a whole lot more than
you do.

If you don't know that squaw is an offensive racial slur
then what you know, no matter how much, is just flat wrong.

See, this is what comes of the belief that holding a foreign compact dic in
one's hand is the same thing as having a grasp of one's native tongue.

Wolfgang
who, contemplating all of the senseless racial strife that could have been
averted had the authors of the hays code had a compact dic of their own, can
only shake his head in dismay.

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
If you don't know that squaw is an offensive racial slur
then what you know, no matter how much, is just flat wrong.

See, this is what comes of the belief that holding a foreign compact dic in
one's hand is the same thing as having a grasp of one's native tongue.

Like I told Choc, you can argue etymology but you cannot
argue the fact that it's an offensive racial slur.

It seems to me that the use of offensive racial slurs
should be discouraged rather than encouraged.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
et...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
If you don't know that squaw is an offensive racial slur
then what you know, no matter how much, is just flat wrong.

See, this is what comes of the belief that holding a foreign compact dic
in one's hand is the same thing as having a grasp of one's native tongue.

Like I told Choc, you can argue etymology but you cannot
argue the fact that it's an offensive racial slur.

It seems to me that the use of offensive racial slurs
should be discouraged rather than encouraged.

No way forward......and no way back......and the more you struggle, the
faster you sink.

Scary stuff, huh? :)

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Like I told Choc, you can argue etymology but you cannot
argue the fact that it's an offensive racial slur.

It seems to me that the use of offensive racial slurs
should be discouraged rather than encouraged.

No way forward......and no way back......and the more you struggle, the
faster you sink.

Scary stuff, huh? :)

What in the hell are you driveling on about now ?

Anybody who claims that "squaw" isn't an offensive racial
slur in 21st century America is either a fool or a liar.
If you want to argue that "squaw" is not an offensive racial
slur you might take some pride in knowing that I consider
you a liar.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Like I told Choc, you can argue etymology but you cannot
argue the fact that it's an offensive racial slur.

It seems to me that the use of offensive racial slurs
should be discouraged rather than encouraged.

No way forward......and no way back......and the more you struggle, the
faster you sink.

Scary stuff, huh? :)

What in the hell are you driveling on about now ?

Anybody who claims that "squaw" isn't an offensive racial
slur in 21st century America is either a fool or a liar.
If you want to argue that "squaw" is not an offensive racial
slur you might take some pride in knowing that I consider
you a liar.

Faster and faster.

It's certainly true that you're not the only person in the world.....or in
ROFF.....who thinks women are inferior but so far you're still the only one
here who has expressed a belief that they constitute a race. :)

Wolfgang

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In article ,
says...
wrote:
says...
wrote:
says...
Nope, it's a racial slur without a doubt. That's not even
a debatable point. Well, I won't debate it with you at any
rate, as far as I'm concerned it's a racial slur and that's
that.
Well my squaw doesn't object and that counts for more than some
hypersensitive liberal white-boy from cornfield land.
Your **** is in the minority.

Not in my poll of squaws....betcha I know a whole lot more than
you do.

If you don't know that squaw is an offensive racial slur
then what you know, no matter how much, is just flat wrong.

You are truly an idiot.
- Ken

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In article ,
says...
wrote:
says...
If you don't know that squaw is an offensive racial slur
then what you know, no matter how much, is just flat wrong.

You are truly an idiot.

Anybody who claims that "squaw" isn't an offensive racial
slur in 21st century America is either a fool or a liar.
And FWIW I consider you to be truthful.

"The English word "squaw" was borrowed from the Algonquian language
family of a few Indian tribes in Canada and New England and first
appeared in the American vocabulary around 1634.1 It has been used in
literature and historical documents for much of this country’s history.
The Massachusett/Algonquian word means "young woman."

"Squaw" has been a familiar word in American literature and language
since the 17th century and has always been normally understood to mean
"an Indian woman or wife." The term as commonly used contains no
disrespect to Indian women any more than the words "woman" or "wife" do
to Anglo-American women.
"

"English and Native American linguists agree that there is absolutely no
connection between the Mohawk [Iroquoian] word otsiskwa (also spelled
ojiskwa) and the Algonquin word squa.
"

You've fallen victim to actually believing the crap that the
loony left spouts.

"
The controversy over the use of the word "squaw" appears to have started
in 1973 with the book Literature of the American Indian, by Thomas E.
Sanders and Walter W. Peek. Sanders and Peek are members of two
different Indian Nations in Florida. Although they are not linguists,
their book puts forth a rather racist and inflammatory accusation about
the origin of the word ‘squaw’:
"

The fact that you've been bamboozled by two liberals with an agenda is
just sad, the fact that you are belittling others who know better is
wrong.
- Ken

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In article ,
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Anybody who claims that "squaw" isn't an offensive racial
slur in 21st century America is either a fool or a liar.
And FWIW I consider you to be truthful.

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The fact that you've been bamboozled by two liberals with an agenda is
just sad, the fact that you are belittling others who know better is
wrong.

You can argue the etymology until you're blue in the face.
It doesn't matter. Whether you like it or not the word is an
offensive racial slur and that, quite simply, is that. And
yes I do belittle those who use offensive racial slurs, it's
the least I can do.

Saying it is because you say it is is far from compelling.
My squaw says hi.
- Ken

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
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Saying it is because you say it is is far from compelling.
My squaw says hi.

Oh, it's not just me. Look it up anywhere you choose. You can
argue that it *shouldn't* be a racial slur, you can argue that
it became a racial slur in error, but you cannot argue that it
isn't a racial slur. And like I said, you and your wife are both
fools if you don't know that.

These seemingly endless iterations back and forth here have a certain
hypnotic attraction, I'll admit, but perhaps I can just squeeze in to
add something to what 40 is saying.

I refer back to the article I posted earlier:

http://www.bend.com/news/ar_view.php?ar_id=24206

Now, as far as I can tell from talking to people here, there are two
reasons the local native peoples wanted these names changed. One is
that most of these places already *had* names before they were renamed
"Squaw," and the other is that the replacement name really *is*
inherently offensive to folks.

The way it's been explained to me by several people is that the folks
now living on the Warm Springs Reservation--like most western Indians--
really don't care about Algonquin words one way or the other; didn't
have any contact with Algonquins (until maybe 20th Century American
Indian Movement meetings, etc.), but they did have *lots* of contact
with settlers coming in who, in addition to taking all the best land,
had lots to say to Indians and about Indians.

Now, what folks remember is that most of what white settlers had to say
about them, and to them, (up until the last couple of decades, even) was
not particularly respectful, was in fact derogatory, dismissive,
jokingly condescending, etc. And among all this stuff were constant
references (*in English*, mind you) to "your squaw," "the squaws",
"those squaws over there", INSTEAD of just simply saying "your wife",
"the women", and "those women (or even gasp those ladies) over there.

So instead of simple, common English words and/or (imagine this!) the
*proper* words in Warm Springs, Paiute or Wasco, folks had to listen
over and over again to these obviously condescending, dismissive and
entirely foreign words, and not surprisingly they found the whole
business entirely offensive. The original etymology of the thing, for
them, has *nothing* whatever to do with it.

So, should I, when talking to someone from Warm Springs (which borders
on many spots I fish), dismiss their revulsion as modern PC
hand-wringing, or should I give them a lecture on the Algonquin roots of
the word, or should I simply avoid giving gratuitous offense?

JR