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Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
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Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
I was about 6 pools downstream from the Junction Pool when this happened.
The water was big. I limited myself to mid-thigh wading, and knee-level would have been much safer. FWIW, everyone raved about the Roscoe emergency crew's response time. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... I was about 6 pools downstream from the Junction Pool when this happened. The water was big. I limited myself to mid-thigh wading, and knee-level would have been much safer. FWIW, everyone raved about the Roscoe emergency crew's response time. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Sorry to hear about Justin Everrett. I also wear chest waders and it scares the heck out of me when fishing fast rivers. The test that was done on waders here in roff really caught my attention. I'm tempted to order one of those SOS Inflatable Floatation Belt Pack. http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...&feature_id=17 -tom |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in
: "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... I was about 6 pools downstream from the Junction Pool when this happened. The water was big. I limited myself to mid-thigh wading, and knee-level would have been much safer. FWIW, everyone raved about the Roscoe emergency crew's response time. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Sorry to hear about Justin Everrett. I also wear chest waders and it scares the heck out of me when fishing fast rivers. The test that was done on waders here in roff really caught my attention. I'm tempted to order one of those SOS Inflatable Floatation Belt Pack. http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...dir_id=758&gro up_id=10758&cat_id=10769&subcat_id=10770&feature_i d=17 -tom I know there's the age-old debate about whether full waders impede motion in the water. My own opinion is that they can't make things easier, and that there is the potential that the wearer can get pushed about like a boat with a drift sock. I suspect, but can't be sure, that the biggest contributing factors to many such tragic incidents are poor swimming skills in conjunction with simple panic. I might look into the SOSpenders, eventually. I looked at a wading staff as a c-note well spent on personal safety. I am concerned that these inflatable PFD's might get in my way, though. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
Scott Seidman wrote:
... I looked at a wading staff as a c-note well spent on personal safety. ... A hundred bucks for a wading staff ?!!? That sounds excessive for a wading staff unless it comes with built-in radar, wet bar, liquor cabinet and humidor. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... "Tom Nakashima" wrote in : "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... I was about 6 pools downstream from the Junction Pool when this happened. The water was big. I limited myself to mid-thigh wading, and knee-level would have been much safer. FWIW, everyone raved about the Roscoe emergency crew's response time. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Sorry to hear about Justin Everrett. I also wear chest waders and it scares the heck out of me when fishing fast rivers. The test that was done on waders here in roff really caught my attention. I'm tempted to order one of those SOS Inflatable Floatation Belt Pack. http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...dir_id=758&gro up_id=10758&cat_id=10769&subcat_id=10770&feature_i d=17 -tom I know there's the age-old debate about whether full waders impede motion in the water. My own opinion is that they can't make things easier, and that there is the potential that the wearer can get pushed about like a boat with a drift sock. I suspect, but can't be sure, that the biggest contributing factors to many such tragic incidents are poor swimming skills in conjunction with simple panic. I might look into the SOSpenders, eventually. I looked at a wading staff as a c-note well spent on personal safety. I am concerned that these inflatable PFD's might get in my way, though. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Poor swimming skills and panic attack might best describe me. I can swim, but not in a fast moving current, and I have a feeling I would panic no matter how much I try to keep myself calm. I think I'm going to do it, buy the SOS Inflatable Floatation Belt Pack. I fish a lot of fast moving rivers. I saw a documentary on survival, where this well fit male backpacker in his 30's had to float down a river for 1.5 miles in a medium flowing current by clinching onto an inflatable pack mounted on the front of his chest. He made it safe, but at the end of the 1.5 miles, he was pretty exhausted, he could barely pull himself out of the water. -tom |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
Ken Fortenberry wrote in news:nz0hg.16563
: Scott Seidman wrote: ... I looked at a wading staff as a c-note well spent on personal safety. ... A hundred bucks for a wading staff ?!!? That sounds excessive for a wading staff unless it comes with built-in radar, wet bar, liquor cabinet and humidor. ;-) You misunderstand, Ken. That wading staff is a staff of four guys who stand around me making sure I don't fall!! The hundred bucks is really a hundred bucks an hour! Actually, that hundred bucks (or close to it anyway) was for the thicker Folstaff. I like having a collapsible staff that I don't have to worry about toting along or tripping over. It deploys rapidly when I need it. There is some tendency for the segments to get a little "stuck" when you want to collapse it, as the tolerance on the fit is pretty tight, but once you learn the trick of rolling the stuck joint on your knee, the problem becomes less of a problem. The important thing is that the three-cushion ****-around happens when you're already out of trouble, and the thing deploys real fast when you need it. Simms makes a nice one now, but deployment seems a tad less automatic than the Folstaff, and it didn't exist when I bought mine. If I were buying one today, I would do a serious A-B comparison before buying either. I've taken one good bath with the Folstaff on hand, at Penn's, but I'm pretty sure it's saved me from three or four more--and probably a dozen or more if you count those wading situations that I should have avoided in the first place. The real trick is being sure not to use the staff to wade yourself INTO trouble. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
Scott Seidman wrote in
. 1.4: You misunderstand, Ken. That wading staff is a staff of four guys who stand around me making sure I don't fall!! The hundred bucks is really a hundred bucks an hour! By the way-- one of the only pictures I can recall of me with a trout was taken this trip, http://www.mindspring.com/~scottseidman/willow2.jpg That's on the Willowemoc, about 200 yards above the iron bridge at rt 17 in downtown Roscoe, not far from the Dette place. Not a bad fish for the 3wt Sage SP I was using. Things would have been easier with the 5-wt T&T I used for subsequent outings that trip. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in : "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... I was about 6 pools downstream from the Junction Pool when this happened. The water was big. I limited myself to mid-thigh wading, and knee-level would have been much safer. FWIW, everyone raved about the Roscoe emergency crew's response time. Sorry to hear about Justin Everrett. I also wear chest waders and it scares the heck out of me when fishing fast rivers. The test that was done on waders here in roff really caught my attention. I'm tempted to order one of those SOS Inflatable Floatation Belt Pack. http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...dir_id=758&gro up_id=10758&cat_id=10769&subcat_id=10770&feature_i d=17 -tom I know there's the age-old debate about whether full waders impede motion in the water. My own opinion is that they can't make things easier, and that there is the potential that the wearer can get pushed about like a boat with a drift sock. I suspect, but can't be sure, that the biggest contributing factors to many such tragic incidents are poor swimming skills in conjunction with simple panic. I might look into the SOSpenders, eventually. I looked at a wading staff as a c-note well spent on personal safety. I am concerned that these inflatable PFD's might get in my way, though. Sad to hear of this, but I think the primary cause was wading beyond a safe level, as you mentioned above. I have a fishing partner who regularly takes water over the top of whatever he's wearing, whether it be calf-high, hippers, or chest waders - he always goes one step beyond what he can safely handle. The inside of my current waders, which I've had for several years, have never seen any water at all save that of the washing machine. Another thing is that I've seen a LOT of people use waders without a belt, including my reckless friend. Not me. I always wear a snug belt whether or not I think I'll be wading beyond knee-high water. Big water and slippery rocks scare me and if that makes me a sissy, then so be it. At least I'm alive to be called a sissy. IIRC, Myron did a pool experiment regarding waders and taking on water a year or so ago that would be worth revisiting on this occasion. -- TL, Tim ------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
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Scott Seidman wrote: I know there's the age-old debate about whether full waders impede motion in the water. My own opinion is that they can't make things easier, and that there is the potential that the wearer can get pushed about like a boat with a drift sock. I suspect, but can't be sure, that the biggest contributing factors to many such tragic incidents are poor swimming skills in conjunction with simple panic. I might look into the SOSpenders, eventually. I looked at a wading staff as a c-note well spent on personal safety. I am concerned that these inflatable PFD's might get in my way, though. Well, I've fished around Frank enough you would think I could validate this but alas. FWIW I consider myself an average swimmer so doing the Naval Aircrew Deep Water Aviation Survival stuff every four years was pretty intimidating. The reality was though as long as you were calm and didn't panic I think anyone could handle themselves with waders on. The Navy test included a mile swim in a flight suit, tread water in full flight gear for 15 minutes then drown proof for 15 minutes followed by 75 yard swim using three strokes. Flight gear for me was a g-suit, torso harness, flight suit , boots, uninflated survival vest and helmet and oxygen mask. Total of about 45 lbs of gear before it got waterlogged. There was a bunch of other stuff but that was the periodic requal stuff. I've never seen the Junction pool of course and in rough water it could certainly been a damn near impossible task. Perhaps we would all be wise to find a place, have a buddy handy and intentionally fill the waders just to see how it works. Allen |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
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Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Allen Epps wrote in news:gaepps1- : Also, the fall might be the result of something other than a slip-- a diabetic could lose regulation, you could get dizzy, your leg could cramp up from a combination of dehydration and fighting the current all day long, and a long list of other things. I don't like the belts, and I think the one you wear around your neck would get in your way, but the minute they build a PFD into a reasonable chest pack, I think I'll be all over it. -- Scott Reverse name to reply A guide friend had a client faint while wading the Madison River. She was elderly, and had a history of disorientation due to dehydration and the elevation. He had just turned to walk toward her husband when he heard her fall. Fortunately, he was just a few steps away, and was able to grab her before it became tragic. I think it changed his thinking about wading belts, hydration, and probably self-inflating SOS! Jim Ray |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
Scott Seidman wrote:
Simms makes a nice one now, but deployment seems a tad less automatic than the Folstaff, and it didn't exist when I bought mine. If I were buying one today, I would do a serious A-B comparison before buying either. I really like my Simms wading staff. I think it has a more robust design that the Folstaff. BTW, this afternoon I tagged along on a training raft trip down the Salmon River, which flows through Stanley. The water is super high -- higher than the guides have ever seen it. Two class IV rapids and three class IIIs. It was a blast and for the fist time I didn't fall out. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
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Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
"Tim J." wrote in message ... IIRC, Myron did a pool experiment regarding waders and taking on water a year or so ago that would be worth revisiting on this occasion. -- YWIMC http://tinyurl.com/rkd3p --riverman |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
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Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
Scott Seidman wrote:
"riverman" wrote in : http://tinyurl.com/rkd3p Thanks. FWIW, another data point: http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/killerwader.shtml Chuck Vance (who makes no claims as to the accuracy of the article, but found it interesting nonetheless) |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
"rw" wrote in message m... Scott Seidman wrote: Simms makes a nice one now, but deployment seems a tad less automatic than the Folstaff, and it didn't exist when I bought mine. If I were buying one today, I would do a serious A-B comparison before buying either. I really like my Simms wading staff. I think it has a more robust design that the Folstaff. BTW, this afternoon I tagged along on a training raft trip down the Salmon River, which flows through Stanley. The water is super high -- higher than the guides have ever seen it. Two class IV rapids and three class IIIs. It was a blast and for the fist time I didn't fall out. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. I also have the Simms wading staff, rubber handle, easy to deploy and retract, shock cord, compact, neoprene holster. -tom |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
Tom Nakashima wrote: "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... "Tom Nakashima" wrote in : "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... I was about 6 pools downstream from the Junction Pool when this happened. The water was big. I limited myself to mid-thigh wading, and knee-level would have been much safer. FWIW, everyone raved about the Roscoe emergency crew's response time. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Sorry to hear about Justin Everrett. I also wear chest waders and it scares the heck out of me when fishing fast rivers. The test that was done on waders here in roff really caught my attention. I'm tempted to order one of those SOS Inflatable Floatation Belt Pack. http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...dir_id=758&gro up_id=10758&cat_id=10769&subcat_id=10770&feature_i d=17 -tom I know there's the age-old debate about whether full waders impede motion in the water. My own opinion is that they can't make things easier, and that there is the potential that the wearer can get pushed about like a boat with a drift sock. I suspect, but can't be sure, that the biggest contributing factors to many such tragic incidents are poor swimming skills in conjunction with simple panic. I might look into the SOSpenders, eventually. I looked at a wading staff as a c-note well spent on personal safety. I am concerned that these inflatable PFD's might get in my way, though. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Poor swimming skills and panic attack might best describe me. I can swim, but not in a fast moving current, and I have a feeling I would panic no matter how much I try to keep myself calm. I think I'm going to do it, buy the SOS Inflatable Floatation Belt Pack. I fish a lot of fast moving rivers. I saw a documentary on survival, where this well fit male backpacker in his 30's had to float down a river for 1.5 miles in a medium flowing current by clinching onto an inflatable pack mounted on the front of his chest. He made it safe, but at the end of the 1.5 miles, he was pretty exhausted, he could barely pull himself out of the water. -tom I'd definately recommend wearing a chest high belt cinched firm when wading unknown, suspicios waters. You may slip but the belt *should* keep the water from filling the waders. There are waders out there that come with belt loops and a belt or as an optional purchase. I used to do a lot of surf fishing on Cape Cod, and such a belt was considered a necessity. It's my humble opinion that with waders full of water a Mark Spits would have a hard time making it ashore. Don't feel bad. ANYONE would be entirely justified being scared birdless in such a situation. Think about using a wading belt as a matter of habit. David N. |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in
: "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... I was about 6 pools downstream from the Junction Pool when this happened. The water was big. I limited myself to mid-thigh wading, and knee-level would have been much safer. FWIW, everyone raved about the Roscoe emergency crew's response time. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Sorry to hear about Justin Everrett. I also wear chest waders and it scares the heck out of me when fishing fast rivers. The test that was done on waders here in roff really caught my attention. I'm tempted to order one of those SOS Inflatable Floatation Belt Pack. http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...7RP&dir_id=758 &gro up_id=10758&cat_id=10769&subcat_id=10770&feature_i d=17 -tom I can agree that chest waders in swift waters scare the be-jeesus out of me - A THIGHTLY chhinched belt helps prevent the inrush of water and also traps air providing at least a modicum of boyency |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
Scott Seidman wrote: ......The more I think about it, the more I think some sort of PFD is a good idea. .... A PFD isn't a bad idea, but based on Myron's article, it appears to me that a well-used wading belt and a good serrated knife to slice open the legs of your waders (Peter C carries one) would be highly useful. |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
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Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
Wolfgang wrote: ........ Wolfgang who has never really relished that whole slashing with a sharp implement in the groinal area scenario all that much anyway. :( A dead male vs live eunuch decision, eh ? |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
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ps.com: Scott Seidman wrote: ......The more I think about it, the more I think some sort of PFD is a good idea. .... A PFD isn't a bad idea, but based on Myron's article, it appears to me that a well-used wading belt and a good serrated knife to slice open the legs of your waders (Peter C carries one) would be highly useful. I always carry a knife, just in case I need to cut myself out of my waders or a tangled flyline or something. However, a good PFD would save my life even if I were unconcious, or too cramped to use the knife, or any such emergency situation. Even in a raw panic, the PFD could help me if I couldn't help myself. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Fisherman dies in Junction Pool
wrote in message oups.com... Wolfgang wrote: ........ Wolfgang who has never really relished that whole slashing with a sharp implement in the groinal area scenario all that much anyway. :( A dead male vs live eunuch decision, eh ? You left out the part where the issue was mooted. :) Wolfgang |
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