So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-pass-gas-tax/

Rationalize this,
R

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On 24 Jul 2008 13:39:09 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in news:q01h84ln04u4ej9ubg4aha9lak5ovmi142
:

Rationalize this,


Why? Do you really, truly, at the bottom of your heart, believe it to be a
real election issue??

If you are asking if I think it will be, my answer is "who knows what
might catch fire." For example, I don't think any of the trumpeted
Obama or McCain "gaffes" thus far are real election issues, but...

But if you are asking if I think it should be, then I'd say, yeah, it
should. The fact that the DNC didn't just get their gas at plain ol'
public gas stations - you know, like regular ol' people - is especially
telling. It's not the big splashy public things people do that give
real insight into them, it's the little everyday things they do. And
IMO, this is particularly damning of the DNC and many of the current
crop of Dems. I don't, however, suggest that Obama himself knew of it,
suggested it, or otherwise condoned it, so I can't state that IMO, it
reflects directly on his character other than as being a part of the
whole DNC "machine."

TC,
R

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On Jul 24, 6:39*am, Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote in news:q01h84ln04u4ej9ubg4aha9lak5ovmi142
@4ax.com:

Rationalize this,

Why? *Do you really, truly, at the bottom of your heart, believe it to be a
real election issue??

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

OF course he does: Its what this morning's RNC E-mail told him to flog
today. Where Richard is missing a bet is in charging for his services.
For example a while back I got into it with this flogger whose deal
was to fight for sno-mobiles and ATVs in National Parks, Monuments and
battlefields. She haunted rec groups and claimed to be independent.
Then I found the Blue Ribbon Coalition's IRS filing which showed she
was getting $30k+ a year from the industry lobby and that the main
sources of that organization's funds were dealers and foreign
companies. I think she was skirting the law which requires
registration of foreign agents. These same foreign companies were
substantial contributors to various radical wing nut politicians and
Aryan racist groups in the Northwest via the dealers and various front
groups, and were the principal funders of a legal assault to open
marine sanctuaries to jetskies in the San Juan Islands. (They lost.)

The wing-nuts who have temporary control of the Republican party have
been very innovative in using the net with paid and volunteer floggers
to influence public opinion. IMHO Richard is not a formal part of a
dis-information network, but at least he is a fellow traveler.
Dave

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:18:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jul 24, 6:39*am, Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote in news:q01h84ln04u4ej9ubg4aha9lak5ovmi142
@4ax.com:

Rationalize this,

Why? *Do you really, truly, at the bottom of your heart, believe it to be a
real election issue??

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

OF course he does: Its what this morning's RNC E-mail told him to flog
today. Where Richard is missing a bet is in charging for his services.
For example a while back I got into it with this flogger whose deal
was to fight for sno-mobiles and ATVs in National Parks, Monuments and
battlefields. She haunted rec groups and claimed to be independent.
Then I found the Blue Ribbon Coalition's IRS filing which showed she
was getting $30k+ a year from the industry lobby and that the main
sources of that organization's funds were dealers and foreign
companies. I think she was skirting the law which requires
registration of foreign agents. These same foreign companies were
substantial contributors to various radical wing nut politicians and
Aryan racist groups

Oh, man, not the highly influential "Skinheads on 'Skis"...

in the Northwest via the dealers and various front
groups, and were the principal funders of a legal assault to open
marine sanctuaries to jetskies in the San Juan Islands. (They lost.)

Now I find that hard to believe - I mean, what sensible person wouldn't
agree with someone in a camouflaged hood on a black Waverunner with a
burning cross on the front...c'mon, now, admit it - it was really the
Dick Cheney and the Jews (performing nightly at the Bohemian Grove piano
bar...) that were behind it all, right?

The wing-nuts who have temporary control of the Republican party have
been very innovative in using the net with paid and volunteer floggers
to influence public opinion.

Yeah, I'll bet Al Gore wishes he'd never invented the Internet...

IMHO Richard is not a formal part of a dis-information network,

Now, that's just mean...I'll have you know I always reply whilst wearing
at least a dinner jacket...

SNICKER,
R

but at least he is a fellow traveler.

Dave

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:18:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

For example a while back I got into it with this flogger whose deal
was to fight for sno-mobiles and ATVs in National Parks, Monuments and
battlefields.

You shouldn't talk about Mark Bowen that way. He can't help it.

Dave

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wrote in message
...
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-pass-gas-tax/

Rationalize this,
R

what's to rationalize?? So what, they'll figure out where the law stands and
pay the tab, I figure. How, in heaven's name, does that, in any way lessen
the absolute stupidity of McCain's gas-tax holiday?
Since you bring that one up, let's look it for a moment.
First, the savings is what, around $0.20 per gallon? Yet, the money
generated goes into road and bridge upkeep
(remember that bridge that fell into the river up in Minnesota....there's
lots more where that came from).
So we will mandate a reduction in bridge and highway repair to appease the
slower-witted voters out there. And, at the same time, **** off anyone whose
livelihood stems from road or bridge construction. Great plan, John...no
wonder it was a non-starter!
Tom

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

wrote in message
...
Now, that's just mean...I'll have you know I always reply whilst wearing
at least a dinner jacket...

of course....but, it's the sans-pants part that provides a disturbing mental
image.g
Tom

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:19:24 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

Yet, the money
generated goes into road and bridge upkeep
(remember that bridge that fell into the river up in Minnesota....there's
lots more where that came from).
So we will mandate a reduction in bridge and highway repair

Hey, Du-kakka-on-us did it with the gas taxes in Taxachusetts. He
used the money to help illegal Latinos. Meanwhile, our bridges and
roads went to pot, big chunks falling on cars. All roads and bridges
suffered, except the Mass Pike which was supposed to be paid for
decades ago. They keep borrowing money and therefore have to pay off
the notes, so, voila, we hafta pay ever increasing tolls.

To say nothing of the Ted Williams Tunnel fiasco........

Dave

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're aDem...
 

On Jul 24, 11:57*am, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:18:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jul 24, 6:39*am, Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote in news:q01h84ln04u4ej9ubg4aha9lak5ovmi142
@4ax.com:

Rationalize this,

Why? *Do you really, truly, at the bottom of your heart, believe it to be a
real election issue??

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

OF course he does: Its what this morning's RNC E-mail told him to flog
today. Where Richard is missing a bet is in charging for his services.
For example a while back I got into it with this flogger whose deal
was to fight for sno-mobiles and ATVs in National Parks, Monuments and
battlefields. She haunted rec groups and claimed to be independent.
Then I found the Blue Ribbon Coalition's IRS filing which showed she
was getting $30k+ a year from the industry lobby and that the main
sources of that organization's funds were dealers and foreign
companies. I think she was skirting the law which requires
registration of foreign agents. These same foreign companies were
substantial contributors to various radical wing nut politicians and
Aryan racist groups

Oh, man, not the highly influential "Skinheads on 'Skis"...

in the Northwest via the dealers and various front
groups, and were the principal funders of a legal assault to open
marine sanctuaries to jetskies in the San Juan Islands. (They lost.)

Now I find that hard to believe - I mean, what sensible person wouldn't
agree with someone in a camouflaged hood on a black Waverunner with a
burning cross on the front...c'mon, now, admit it - it was really the
Dick Cheney and the Jews (performing nightly at the Bohemian Grove piano
bar...) that were behind it all, right?


IMHO Richard is not a formal part of a dis-information network,

Now, that's just mean...I'll have you know I always reply whilst wearing
at least a dinner jacket...

SNICKER,
R



but at least he is a fellow traveler.
Dave- Hide quoted text -

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Richard
Why do you keep blaming Jewish people for all the ills of the world?
It makes you sound like a closet Nazi. Speak to your religious advisor
about this before this hateful obsession consumes you. God bless.
Dave

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Hey, Du-kakka-on-us did it with the gas taxes in Taxachusetts. He
used the money to help illegal Latinos. Meanwhile, our bridges and
roads went to pot, big chunks falling on cars. All roads and bridges
suffered, except the Mass Pike which was supposed to be paid for
decades ago. They keep borrowing money and therefore have to pay off
the notes, so, voila, we hafta pay ever increasing tolls.

To say nothing of the Ted Williams Tunnel fiasco........

Dave

so, you see my point? Now, state gasoline taxes are generally higher than
the Fed tax. And, of course, you folks up there have a host of greedheads to
blame for that whole Big Dig fiasco. Still, building and maintaining
infrastructure is important, and must be paid somehow.
Tom

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:39:34 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

And, of course, you folks up there have a host of greedheads to
blame for that whole Big Dig fiasco.

Now is that anyway to talk about our beloved craft unions and Dem
politicians? d;o)

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:19:24 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-pass-gas-tax/

Rationalize this,
R

what's to rationalize?? So what, they'll figure out where the law stands and
pay the tab, I figure.

The fact that they are filling up at city pumps is problem one. The
fact that taxes only became an issue after the **** hit the fan is
another, larger one. And should anyone start claiming that the plan all
along was to pay the taxes, I'd offer that the **** would not have hit
the fan, or at least quite as much hitting with such force, were that
the case. The people responsible would have simply said, "Oh, yeah, we
thought about that, and it's already been figured into the billing."
Moreover, given that gasoline in the US is, at best, a VERY minimal
profit item, and often a break-even or even loss-leader, there's not
much reason beyond tax evasion to be using city pumps in the first
place.

How, in heaven's name, does that, in any way lessen
the absolute stupidity of McCain's gas-tax holiday?

It doesn't, but McCain's plan doesn't lessen the absolute stupidity and
arrogance of the DNC trying to evade gas tax. And while I don't quite
think his plan was "stupid," it was silly and useless, just as Obama's
idea about taxing "big oil companies" beyond standard corporate taxation
was silly and the "stimulus check" crap, supported by most pols of both
parties, was useless.

Since you bring that one up, let's look it for a moment.
First, the savings is what, around $0.20 per gallon? Yet, the money
generated goes into road and bridge upkeep
(remember that bridge that fell into the river up in Minnesota....there's
lots more where that came from).
So we will mandate a reduction in bridge and highway repair to appease the
slower-witted voters out there. And, at the same time, **** off anyone whose
livelihood stems from road or bridge construction. Great plan, John...no
wonder it was a non-starter!

You're preaching to the choir. If you recall, I said it was silly-assed
right here on ROFF about the same day he (and Hillary) started trying to
pitch it.

TC,
R
Tom

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So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

In article ,
wrote:

It doesn't, but McCain's plan doesn't lessen the absolute stupidity and
arrogance of the DNC trying to evade gas tax. And while I don't quite
think his plan was "stupid," it was silly and useless, just as Obama's
idea about taxing "big oil companies" beyond standard corporate taxation
was silly and the "stimulus check" crap, supported by most pols of both
parties, was useless.

but you arent going to complain when the RNC does the same thing, which
it is doing.

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:25:54 -0700, Janice wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

It doesn't, but McCain's plan doesn't lessen the absolute stupidity and
arrogance of the DNC trying to evade gas tax. And while I don't quite
think his plan was "stupid," it was silly and useless, just as Obama's
idea about taxing "big oil companies" beyond standard corporate taxation
was silly and the "stimulus check" crap, supported by most pols of both
parties, was useless.

but you arent going to complain when the RNC does the same thing, which
it is doing.

I'm not? Gee, well, since you're a mind-reader, you already know what
I'm thinking about your observations...

IAC, while the DNC has alleged the RNC is doing the same thing, the RNC
is denying it. But if the RNC is doing it, they are just as wrong as
the DNC. Either way, your Clinton is showing - two wrongs don't make a
right...and I'd offer that the DNC doing it, while not objectively
worse, is arguably more hypocritical.

H...well, you already know, right?
R

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:19:14 -0500, wrote:
[...]
and I'd offer that the DNC doing it, while not objectively
worse, is arguably more hypocritical.

http://tinyurl.com/jm8gm

There you go again...

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On Jul 24, 6:39 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message

...

Hey, Du-kakka-on-us did it with the gas taxes in Taxachusetts. He
used the money to help illegal Latinos. Meanwhile, our bridges and
roads went to pot, big chunks falling on cars. All roads and bridges
suffered, except the Mass Pike which was supposed to be paid for
decades ago. They keep borrowing money and therefore have to pay off
the notes, so, voila, we hafta pay ever increasing tolls.

To say nothing of the Ted Williams Tunnel fiasco........

Dave

so, you see my point? Now, state gasoline taxes are generally higher than
the Fed tax. And, of course, you folks up there have a host of greedheads to
blame for that whole Big Dig fiasco. Still, building and maintaining
infrastructure is important, and must be paid somehow.
Tom

The Big Dig work turned into a fiasco, but the downtown is much better
for it.

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

wrote in message
...

minor correction....at least as I read it, this wasn't actually the DNC
involved directly, but a setup committee, probably connected Dems from the
Colorado area.
Tom

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:13:02 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

minor correction....at least as I read it, this wasn't actually the DNC
involved directly, but a setup committee, probably connected Dems from the
Colorado area.
Tom


While that's probably correct, it's not really a redemptive - the
committee consists of the Mayor of Denver, the Governor of Colorado, the
Dem Senator, a Dem House member, a Dem councilwoman, and a token
civilian, a connected lawyer...and hizzoner da Mayor's primary defenses:
"Oh yeah? Well, the GOP is doing it..." and when that didn't fly, he
switched to "it's OK because our committee is non-partisan..."

IAC, given that they expect to use some 100,000 gals of gas and evading
the tax would have saved some 40 grand, I'd offer that if in the search
for green, they went looking for organic, union-made totebags, someone
with some juice at the DNC knew about the tax holiday...

TC,
R

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wrote in message
...

still, on the whole this(as with the vast bulk of the 'stories' generated
thus far in the election cycle) strikes me as trivial....and, that's being
sort of generous. Let's face it:
the real show doesn't start until after the conventions, and I sure do hope
there is a bit more to chew on than the
assorted "gaffes", dissecting Obama's trip abroad, Jesse Jackson, and how
McCain parses recent history. There is the potential(as I stated to you,
once, I believe) for an real debate as to the nature of how to move the
nation forward. Now, let's see if these two can deal with holding that
debate, or whether the whole process turns into the usual media-driven
drivel-fest.
Tom

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you'rea Dem...
 

Tom Littleton wrote:
... Let's face it:
the real show doesn't start until after the conventions, and I sure do hope
there is a bit more to chew on than the
assorted "gaffes", dissecting Obama's trip abroad, Jesse Jackson, and how
McCain parses recent history. There is the potential(as I stated to you,
once, I believe) for an real debate as to the nature of how to move the
nation forward. Now, let's see if these two can deal with holding that
debate, or whether the whole process turns into the usual media-driven
drivel-fest.

The trouble is the American voter is so goddamn stupid the only
way to win is to play the usual media-driven, drivel-fest game
better than the other guy.

Sad but true. And I think Obama is not only up to the task but
pretty damn good at it. Also sad but true.

--
Ken Fortenberry

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:15:03 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Sad but true. And I think Obama is not only up to the task but
pretty damn good at it. Also sad but true.

I would venture to say that if he played the saxophone he would be
guaranteed the WH. Curious as to who he will select for veep.

How ya doin', btw?

Dave

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:55:17 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

still, on the whole this(as with the vast bulk of the 'stories' generated
thus far in the election cycle) strikes me as trivial....and, that's being
sort of generous. Let's face it:
the real show doesn't start until after the conventions, and I sure do hope
there is a bit more to chew on than the
assorted "gaffes", dissecting Obama's trip abroad, Jesse Jackson, and how
McCain parses recent history.

Those are two completely different issues - what's actually telling
about a candidate and party leadership and what'll be flogged to the
public as important...

There is the potential(as I stated to you,
once, I believe) for an real debate as to the nature of how to move the
nation forward.

Oh, there's always that potential...and my guess is, the above, that
the meaningful debate and the actual campaign won't so much as cross
paths...

Now, let's see if these two can deal with holding that
debate, or whether the whole process turns into the usual media-driven
drivel-fest.

"Turns into"...?! Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

TC,
R
Tom

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:15:03 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Tom Littleton wrote:
... Let's face it:
the real show doesn't start until after the conventions, and I sure do hope
there is a bit more to chew on than the
assorted "gaffes", dissecting Obama's trip abroad, Jesse Jackson, and how
McCain parses recent history. There is the potential(as I stated to you,
once, I believe) for an real debate as to the nature of how to move the
nation forward. Now, let's see if these two can deal with holding that
debate, or whether the whole process turns into the usual media-driven
drivel-fest.

The trouble is the American voter is so goddamn stupid the only
way to win is to play the usual media-driven, drivel-fest game
better than the other guy.

Sad but true. And I think Obama is not only up to the task but
pretty damn good at it. Also sad but true.

AH-HAH!! I knew if I waited long enough, someone, somewhere would
finally clearly state one thing his record clearly demonstrates that in
which he truly excels...well, it's sad but true...

Thanks,
R

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:39:47 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:

The fact that they are filling up at city pumps is problem one. The
fact that taxes only became an issue after the **** hit the fan is
another, larger one. ...

Cities have been known to do all sorts of things to attract
conventions.

All sorts of things besides things like this. FWIW, the Dems are/were
also getting thousands of free parking spaces (and myriad other "perks,"
like car washes) while the GOP is paying some 500 grand for its parking
needs, etc.

I'll bet the genius who came up with the tax-free
gas idea was a Denver Republican.

Apparently, not unless the Mayor and councilwoman switched parties for
the day. And as an aside, those involved apparently deliberately
underestimated the gas and bifurcated other "perks" out into separate
columns so as to keep each amount under the 500 grand ceiling needed for
council approval.

Hey, conventions are good for
bidness. The **** hit the fan, the DNC pays up. So what.

If you hadn't already claimed to have no rooting interest in
the 2008 presidential election

I never claimed to have "no rooting interest," I stated that I didn't
particularly care which of the two won. I always have an interest...and
a principle...and a principal...

HTH,
R

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Sad but true. And I think Obama is not only up to the task but
pretty damn good at it. Also sad but true.

I would venture to say that if he played the saxophone he would be
guaranteed the WH. Curious as to who he will select for veep.

How ya doin', btw?

Yeah, Obama is looking more and more "Clintonian" every day.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's actually a relief
to see a Dem willing to do whatever it takes to win instead
of pandering to the leftie lunatic fringe.

I don't know about veep. It won't be Billary and my choice,
John Edwards, is up to his nuts in an Enquirer scandal. In
the end I don't think it matters much.

I'm doin' fine, thanks for askin'.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Jul 26, 4:55*am, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:39:47 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:

The fact that they are filling up at city pumps is problem one. *The
fact that taxes only became an issue after the **** hit the fan is
another, larger one. ...

Cities have been known to do all sorts of things to attract
conventions.

All sorts of things besides things like this. *FWIW, the Dems are/were
also getting thousands of free parking spaces (and myriad other "perks,"
like car washes) while the GOP is paying some 500 grand for its parking
needs, etc.

I'll bet the genius who came up with the tax-free
gas idea was a Denver Republican.

Apparently, not unless the Mayor and councilwoman switched parties for
the day. *And as an aside, those involved apparently deliberately
underestimated the gas and bifurcated other "perks" out into separate
columns so as to keep each amount under the 500 grand ceiling needed for
council approval. *

Hey, conventions are good for
bidness. The **** hit the fan, the DNC pays up. So what.

If you hadn't already claimed to have no rooting interest in
the 2008 presidential election

I never claimed to have "no rooting interest," I stated that I didn't
particularly care which of the two won. *I always have an interest...and
a principle...and a principal...

HTH,
R

Yeah that's all yow got:

"EXTRA EXTRA, "
"City gives perks to major convention!!!" READ ALL ABOUT IT.
"Chamber expects retail sales to reach new highs."
"Convention Bureau hints 2010 Dentist Confab in the Bag for Mudville."
"Flash!FlasH!"
"Sorry-assed Republicrat losers flog issue, "Its just so wrong, so
really wrong," says a tearful Mr. Dean, from his convent cell at Our
Lady of Perpetual Concern."
Details at 11.

Lets talk about some real scandal. War Profiteering, Tom Delay and the
slaves in Saipan. The money the Republican Party has taken from the
Saudis, The missing $16 billion, Dick Cheney's dealings with Libya.
Who paid for the Pres's ranch. The Fbi's ongoing espionage
investigations of Bush administration personnel. Administration
suppression of mine safety inspections and subsequent fatal
consequences. Republican donor/contractor failure to up-armor US
vehicles in Iraq. FBI investigation of prostitute access to the White
house. Medicare fraud and Republican "fundraising."
This would make a start.

Dave

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:28:49 -0500, wrote:
[...]
"Turns into"...?! Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-sacrilegious/

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:47 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:28:49 -0500, wrote:
[...]
"Turns into"...?! Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-sacrilegious/


"What if the same note had come from George Bush's pen? One can only
imagine the headlines: President Sees Self as "Instrument" of God's
Will! "

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:31:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:47 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:28:49 -0500, wrote:
[...]
"Turns into"...?! Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-sacrilegious/


"What if the same note had come from George Bush's pen? One can only
imagine the headlines: President Sees Self as "Instrument" of God's
Will! "

And one can only imagine the world-wide laughter at such a notion.

/daytripper
(Of course, Bush would need someone to ghost write a note for him...)

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:11:36 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:31:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:47 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:28:49 -0500, wrote:
[...]
"Turns into"...?! Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-sacrilegious/


"What if the same note had come from George Bush's pen? One can only
imagine the headlines: President Sees Self as "Instrument" of God's
Will! "

And one can only imagine the world-wide laughter at such a notion.

/daytripper
(Of course, Bush would need someone to ghost write a note for him...)

Well, he did graduate from Yale with the same point average as your
french looking friend with rice shards in his ass.

d;o)

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:56:23 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:11:36 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:31:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:47 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:28:49 -0500, wrote:
[...]
"Turns into"...?! Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-sacrilegious/


"What if the same note had come from George Bush's pen? One can only
imagine the headlines: President Sees Self as "Instrument" of God's
Will! "

And one can only imagine the world-wide laughter at such a notion.

/daytripper
(Of course, Bush would need someone to ghost write a note for him...)

Well, he did graduate from Yale with the same point average as your
french looking friend with rice shards in his ass.

A cautionary example of what years of cocaine and alcohol abuse can wreak...

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're aDem...
 

On Jul 27, 3:19*pm, daytripper wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:28:49 -0500, wrote:

[...]

"Turns into"...?! *Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...emoval-of-obam...

And of course Richard took his signals as per his handlers, who also
neglected to mention that Obama went to the Wall in the pre-dawn, not
generally the best time to turn a personal spiritual moment into a
media event.

SOP for Dean. Slander then move on. Next week will bring another ugly
bit of phony bull****, right on cue. Considering what has gone on
these last few years, is there any doubt left that these Wingnuts have
any self respect left, or that their hate for this country is truely
consumptive?

Dave

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:31:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:47 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:28:49 -0500, wrote:
[...]
"Turns into"...?! Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-sacrilegious/

And I'd say that he's absolutely correct - regardless of Obama's
intentions, removing such a thing is despicable. Even so, any alleged
claim of Obama as to an expectation of privacy in such a thing is, at
best, very naive.


"What if the same note had come from George Bush's pen? One can only
imagine the headlines: President Sees Self as "Instrument" of God's
Will! "

Huh? Wrong is wrong.

TC,
R

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:35:34 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

A cautionary example of what years of cocaine and alcohol abuse can wreak...

The pot calling the kettle black?

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:37:18 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:31:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:47 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:28:49 -0500, wrote:
[...]
"Turns into"...?! Obama and his entourage (containing nary a Senate
staffer) goes to the Western Wall as part of his "fact finding,
non-campaign visit" with 9,134 reporters in tow, puts some paper under a
rock while, pardon the pun, God only knows how many people watched, and
then acts shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA!! - that someone not only grabbed
up but printed his "prayer"...you couldn't separate "drivel-fest" from
"media" with a pair of D11s and the anchor rode from an aircraft
carrier...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-sacrilegious/

And I'd say that he's absolutely correct - regardless of Obama's
intentions, removing such a thing is despicable. Even so, any alleged
claim of Obama as to an expectation of privacy in such a thing is, at
best, very naive.


"What if the same note had come from George Bush's pen? One can only
imagine the headlines: President Sees Self as "Instrument" of God's
Will! "

Huh? Wrong is wrong.


Huh? I was quoting an article. I agree that the student who removed
it was wrong in doing so. But the simple fact remains that IF it had
been Bush and they published it, the above quote *would* be in the NYT
and elsewhere.

Dave

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:21:16 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:35:34 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

A cautionary example of what years of cocaine and alcohol abuse can wreak...

The pot calling the kettle black?

Yup, it sounds like that's exactly what you're doing.

For the record, I've never done hard drugs, and likely have consumed two
orders of magnitude less alcohol than you, you evil, mal educated ****tard...

/daytripper

So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...
 

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:21:17 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:21:16 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:35:34 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

A cautionary example of what years of cocaine and alcohol abuse can wreak...

The pot calling the kettle black?

Yup, it sounds like that's exactly what you're doing.

For the record, I've never done hard drugs, and likely have consumed two
orders of magnitude less alcohol than you, you evil, mal educated ****tard...


Bwwaaaaahahahaha. Wasn't talking about you, David. Guilty
conscience? Hahahahaha. I've never had a drug or alcohol problem.
You do. You're what, in your 50s and still smoking ****?

Here is what I was ref:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us...9obama.html?hp

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3823725.shtml

http://nick.assumption.edu/WebVAX/ET...in22Sep96.html

Smoke a joint, David. Share one with your kids. You'll feel better.