OT Joe's not a plumber
 

In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Oct 16, 2:27*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

WOW. esus. Must be the same team that vetted Palin. I hope these
aren't the same folks ordering the kegs for the "Victory" Party? But
remember, Rove & Co usually have big last minute surprises. I am
waiting.

But. . . this thing could help the Rs. IF the RNC concludes McCain is
a lost cause, OR McCain starts running as McCain again and drops the
RNC funded smear stuff, THEN the RNC might shift their money into the
Senate races, where they could still salvage something. On the Senate
side the Rs are in trouble in several RED states. If the RNC refocused
its $$$ it could make a difference, or so Ive heard.

Dave

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors license.

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must* have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:02:08 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must* have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

Oh, well, then, if the Toledo plumber's licensing bureau says Joe isn't
a licensed plumber and Joe isn't making over 161 grand, then that puts
an entirely different light on Obama's whole proposed taxation scheme.
See, all of those economists who've said that his plans were completely
unrealistic didn't have all the facts. But I'm sure that now that they
understand this one guy isn't actually going to be personally affected
by Obama's plans, they'll soon come around and see that Obama really
will be able to pay X amount of stuff domestically with 1/2 X dollars
while simultaneously paying off the US national debt and buying the
world a Coke and dinner at their choice of The French Laundry or Louis
XV...

Sheesh,
R

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

"David F" wrote in message
...
Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

whatever, dude. Just bear in mind, it ain't going to matter,
in a couple weeks. The game is over. Hell, the Irish bookies started paying
off Obama bets this past Wednesday!
Tom

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David F wrote:
Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

Joe's story was bogus and it was exposed as bogus. Nobody
I know is "flipping out" but a lot of folks question McCain's
judgment for putting a guy with a bogus story in the national
spotlight. McCain has run an incompetent campaign and that's
what a lot of GOPers are rightly ****ed about.

--
Ken Fortenberry

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:35:45 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


"David F" wrote in message
...
Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

whatever, dude. Just bear in mind, it ain't going to matter,
in a couple weeks. The game is over. Hell, the Irish bookies started paying
off Obama bets this past Wednesday!
Tom

So are you saying that the Irish bookies are stupid...? I'm pretty sure
that was a publicity stunt - from what I heard after you told me about
it was that is was the one big Irish bookmaker/online gambling site that
did the same thing on the Dem primary and other things for the
publicity. They only paid out something like 1 mil GBP. The person who
told me some more about it tried to place a bet was told the book was
closed, but ??? I can't imagine they'd keep a book open if they are
paying off before the event, but again ??? And IAC, have you _EVER_
heard of a serious book paying before the event?

TC,
R

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Calif Bill wrote:
"daytripper" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote:
How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.
Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. ...

Are you aware that Joe the Wannabe Plumber doesn't live or work
in California ? So yeah, you're wrong.

Here's Joe's real story, the one you know but would never admit.
Joe doesn't make anywhere near $250K, Joe is not a rich man, but
one of these days he will be by the sweat of his brow alone. And
when that day comes Joe doesn't want his tax money going to some
inner city welfare mom who sits around smoking crack all day and
has never worked a day in her life.

It doesn't have to be spelled out as clearly as I just have, it's
been the subtext of the GOP's white working class male strategy
for years and that is exactly why the right wing blogosphere jumped
all over Joe the Wannabe Plumber's Youtube video appearance. It
fits the GOP story line perfectly.

McCain's problem was trusting the right wing blogosphere to get
the story straight. As it turns out Joe's story is as phony as
a three dollar bill.

--
Ken Fortenberry

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

On Oct 18, 10:28*pm, David F wrote:
Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

I thought it was hilarious when Obama said "its about spreading the
wealth" and Joe ****pot says 'why should I give MY hard-earned money
to someone else?"

Some folks just don't get it.

--riverman

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

On Oct 18, 7:28*am, David F wrote:
Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

See Dave that's what you don't get
1. "Normal" guys don't pile on lie on lie. Most Americans are honest.
Normal people are honest. Boys lie about girls, cars, jobs and money.
Like this phony "Joe the Plumber."

2. It was "Joe's" deceptions that "made Obama look like a Socialist."
Do you know the difference?

3. Given all the NATIONALIZATIONS your Rs are doing, only a fanatical
dead-ender would have the gall to point at the Dems as Socialist. Have
you been asleep for the last 2 weeks?

4. Dems know that normal people have to pay their bills. I haven't
seen a Republican run on paying the bills or actually balancing a
budget in 30 years. Have you? I guess you think like the rest of them
that someone else should pay the bills.

5. Ill put 3 to 1 odds that the overwhelming majority of the asshole
bankers, sub-prime mortgage schemers, hedge fund sharks, derivative
magicians, multiple house speculators, responsible for this financial
mess are right-wing Republicans, Neocons and other assorted America
haters. Grow up.

6. In the end its going to be Dems, moderate Repubs, and real
conservatives who will dig this country out of this mess with sound
budgets, basic science and infrastructure investments, support for
real entrepreneurs, support for American manufacturing, and
responsible regulation, to preserve our market based, free enterprise
system.

Dave

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On Oct 18, 7:38*pm, DaveS wrote:

1. "Normal" guys don't pile on lie on lie. Most Americans are honest.
Normal people are honest. Boys lie about girls, cars, jobs and money.
Like this phony "Joe the Plumber."


Dave

Oh yeah? Like telling people they practice fellatio with monkeys,
steal material for their websites, and other similar rubbish?

Everybody here knows you´re not normal or honest.

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or
may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a
big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have
the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any
position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your
local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must*
have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

I read the article. Some guy says he has to be licensed apprentice or
journeyman. What license is that? Is every carpenter licensed? Calif is
very strict on licenses and if you are an employee of a licensed
constractor, you work under his license. Maybe Ohio is even more in the
pocket of the construction unions.

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"daytripper" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote:
How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.
Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. ...

Are you aware that Joe the Wannabe Plumber doesn't live or work
in California ? So yeah, you're wrong.

Here's Joe's real story, the one you know but would never admit.
Joe doesn't make anywhere near $250K, Joe is not a rich man, but
one of these days he will be by the sweat of his brow alone. And
when that day comes Joe doesn't want his tax money going to some
inner city welfare mom who sits around smoking crack all day and
has never worked a day in her life.

It doesn't have to be spelled out as clearly as I just have, it's
been the subtext of the GOP's white working class male strategy
for years and that is exactly why the right wing blogosphere jumped
all over Joe the Wannabe Plumber's Youtube video appearance. It
fits the GOP story line perfectly.

McCain's problem was trusting the right wing blogosphere to get
the story straight. As it turns out Joe's story is as phony as
a three dollar bill.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Why the hell should you give the lazy mom Joes money. You want her to have
lots of money, you give her yours. Via a charity or whatever.

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

On Oct 20, 3:32*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

...





Calif Bill wrote:
"daytripper" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote:
How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? *Very few. *If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. *If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.
Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. ...

Are you aware that Joe the Wannabe Plumber doesn't live or work
in California ? So yeah, you're wrong.

Here's Joe's real story, the one you know but would never admit.
Joe doesn't make anywhere near $250K, Joe is not a rich man, but
one of these days he will be by the sweat of his brow alone. And
when that day comes Joe doesn't want his tax money going to some
inner city welfare mom who sits around smoking crack all day and
has never worked a day in her life.

It doesn't have to be spelled out as clearly as I just have, it's
been the subtext of the GOP's white working class male strategy
for years and that is exactly why the right wing blogosphere jumped
all over Joe the Wannabe Plumber's Youtube video appearance. It
fits the GOP story line perfectly.

McCain's problem was trusting the right wing blogosphere to get
the story straight. As it turns out Joe's story is as phony as
a three dollar bill.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Why the hell should you give the lazy mom Joes money. *You want her to have
lots of money, you give her yours. *Via a charity or whatever.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and while we're at it, why does Joe get to have a fire
department, police department, garbage collection, school and local
library? He doesn't currently pay very much in taxes, so obviously
someone who earns a lot more than him (by the sweat of their brow, or
maybe their great granddaddy's) is paying for it. What's up with
that?? If Joe wants a police department in his town, he ought to get
off his lazy crack smoking ass and earn it himself.

--riverman

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On Oct 20, 12:29*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:

Well that is bull****. Most of the actual physical work of plumbing on
commercial, and much residential in California is done by illegals,
right out in the open. A journeyman for example carries a spraycan of
paint. Everywhere he paints a red spot gets drilled with a certain
sized hole, everywhere green, another pipe size. An illegal with the
right size drill bit comes along and drills the hole. Pipe pulling,
cutting etc is organized similarly to make use of unskilled, bargain
wages illegal labor. Its different, ie regulated, in San Francisco/
Bay Area to a large extent.

Bill, you just must not get out much. Electrical work is usually
organized in the same way to use illegal immigrant labor. Unless
things have changed in the last year or so, it would be false to say
that California restricted work to licenced plumbers, quite the
opposite.

Dave

OT Joe's not a plumber
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...
On Oct 20, 3:32 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

...





Calif Bill wrote:
"daytripper" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote:
How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs
are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.
Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. ...

Are you aware that Joe the Wannabe Plumber doesn't live or work
in California ? So yeah, you're wrong.

Here's Joe's real story, the one you know but would never admit.
Joe doesn't make anywhere near $250K, Joe is not a rich man, but
one of these days he will be by the sweat of his brow alone. And
when that day comes Joe doesn't want his tax money going to some
inner city welfare mom who sits around smoking crack all day and
has never worked a day in her life.

It doesn't have to be spelled out as clearly as I just have, it's
been the subtext of the GOP's white working class male strategy
for years and that is exactly why the right wing blogosphere jumped
all over Joe the Wannabe Plumber's Youtube video appearance. It
fits the GOP story line perfectly.

McCain's problem was trusting the right wing blogosphere to get
the story straight. As it turns out Joe's story is as phony as
a three dollar bill.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Why the hell should you give the lazy mom Joes money. You want her to have
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Yeah, and while we're at it, why does Joe get to have a fire
department, police department, garbage collection, school and local
library? He doesn't currently pay very much in taxes, so obviously
someone who earns a lot more than him (by the sweat of their brow, or
maybe their great granddaddy's) is paying for it. What's up with
that?? If Joe wants a police department in his town, he ought to get
off his lazy crack smoking ass and earn it himself.

--riverman

Because that is the job of government. To supply the community services.
Not to be the welfare agency to all. If they are handicapped, yes the
public supports them. But lots of them are just lacking at worker gene.

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"DaveS" wrote in message
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On Oct 20, 12:29 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:

Well that is bull****. Most of the actual physical work of plumbing on
commercial, and much residential in California is done by illegals,
right out in the open. A journeyman for example carries a spraycan of
paint. Everywhere he paints a red spot gets drilled with a certain
sized hole, everywhere green, another pipe size. An illegal with the
right size drill bit comes along and drills the hole. Pipe pulling,
cutting etc is organized similarly to make use of unskilled, bargain
wages illegal labor. Its different, ie regulated, in San Francisco/
Bay Area to a large extent.

Bill, you just must not get out much. Electrical work is usually
organized in the same way to use illegal immigrant labor. Unless
things have changed in the last year or so, it would be false to say
that California restricted work to licenced plumbers, quite the
opposite.

Dave

No it is not bullship. The journeyman or the illegal, neither need a
license. The Contractor is the one required to be licensed. Same in Ohio
http://www.com.state.oh.us/dic/diclicreq.htm

I was the one who said Joe did not require a license, as he supposedly
worked for a licensed Contractor.