OT Joe's not a plumber

In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Oct 16, 2:27*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

WOW. esus. Must be the same team that vetted Palin. I hope these
aren't the same folks ordering the kegs for the "Victory" Party? But
remember, Rove & Co usually have big last minute surprises. I am
waiting.

But. . . this thing could help the Rs. IF the RNC concludes McCain is
a lost cause, OR McCain starts running as McCain again and drops the
RNC funded smear stuff, THEN the RNC might shift their money into the
Senate races, where they could still salvage something. On the Senate
side the Rs are in trouble in several RED states. If the RNC refocused
its $$$ it could make a difference, or so Ive heard.

Dave

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors license.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must* have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:02:08 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must* have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

Oh, well, then, if the Toledo plumber's licensing bureau says Joe isn't
a licensed plumber and Joe isn't making over 161 grand, then that puts
an entirely different light on Obama's whole proposed taxation scheme.
See, all of those economists who've said that his plans were completely
unrealistic didn't have all the facts. But I'm sure that now that they
understand this one guy isn't actually going to be personally affected
by Obama's plans, they'll soon come around and see that Obama really
will be able to pay X amount of stuff domestically with 1/2 X dollars
while simultaneously paying off the US national debt and buying the
world a Coke and dinner at their choice of The French Laundry or Louis
XV...

Sheesh,
R

Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

"David F" wrote in message
...
Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

whatever, dude. Just bear in mind, it ain't going to matter,
in a couple weeks. The game is over. Hell, the Irish bookies started paying
off Obama bets this past Wednesday!
Tom

David F wrote:
Joe is awesome. You Dems are rightly ****ed that he made Bama look
like a socialist planning on taking your money and giving to someone
else just because he thinks it's fair. All the better that Joe isn't
rich.....yet. Normal guy gets to speak out and you're all flipping
out.....says alot.

Joe's story was bogus and it was exposed as bogus. Nobody
I know is "flipping out" but a lot of folks question McCain's
judgment for putting a guy with a bogus story in the national
spotlight. McCain has run an incompetent campaign and that's
what a lot of GOPers are rightly ****ed about.

--
Ken Fortenberry