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You gotta be kidding...
It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...onomic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R |
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On 30 Oct 2008 23:05:05 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: wrote in : It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai n-economic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"? No, it wouldn't. HTH, R |
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On Oct 30, 5:46*pm, wrote:
It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...s-obama-uncert... Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Well, if Obama wins and does only a passable job as POTUS, then eight years hence, Hillary likely won't be a viable candidate. If Obama wins and falls flat on his face, then four years hence, the GOP would likely win. BUT, if Obama loses, four years hence, heeeeeres Hillary! If I were Obama, I'd sooner shove a rattlesnake down my pants than get anywhere near Bill Clinton. |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:41 -0500, wrote:
On 30 Oct 2008 23:05:05 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: wrote in m: It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai n-economic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"? No, it wouldn't. Actually, it certainly is. Partisan dumbass... /daytripper |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:46:12 -0500, wrote:
It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...onomic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Why do Presidents have Cabinets, partisan dumbass? /daytripper (double sheesh) |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:44:40 -0400, daytripper
wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:46:12 -0500, wrote: It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...onomic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Why do Presidents have Cabinets, partisan dumbass? Ah. So I'm curious, why doesn't he know or at least have a pretty good idea of "what's right?" I mean, he has been claiming he knows what's wrong and he has published his super-duper plan that supposedly clearly explains how he will fix everything, plus he claims he has so many answers to so many questions, so why does he need to have others "tell him what's right?" This isn't him saying, "I have a plan, and I'm pretty sure it's what I'm going to do, but before I commit to it, I want your advice/input," or even "Here's my thoughts on this, what do you think - what's your input," it's him saying he wants others to _tell him what to do_. Are you electing him or to whoever he might turn to "tell him what to do?" Do you trust him so completely to state here and now and sign your name that you support whomever he might get to "tell him what to do?" And on another level, why does he need others to tell him what's right? You'd think a person of his supposed intellect and education would have some basic idea of right and wrong. You accuse me of being a "partisan dumbass," but answer this question to yourself: what would your reaction be if anyone other than your precious St. Barack had said, "You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it." HTH, R /daytripper (double sheesh) |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:41:41 -0400, daytripper
wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:41 -0500, wrote: On 30 Oct 2008 23:05:05 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: wrote in : It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai n-economic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"? No, it wouldn't. Actually, it certainly is. No, it certainly isn't. That's being a wishy-washy mid-level manager. When a leader is needed, there is no time for all that feel-good, CYA bull**** and leaders step up and act - leaders lead, they don't follow. Of course, sometimes they are wrong and/or make mistakes, but real leaders don't and can't worry about perfection because they understand that it is a fruitless pursuit. A real leader will spend their down-time learning and when they are called upon to lead, they will trust their instincts and have faith they will enjoy more success than failure. Partisan dumbass... Spoken like someone who has never been, never will be and is totally unprepared to be anything remotely close to a real leader or know what one is, does, looks or acts like... HTH, R ....here's a hint - there are no "good leaders" or "bad leaders," only _leaders_... /daytripper |
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On 30 Oct 2008 23:07:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: wrote in : It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Bye the bye, you figure out who you voting for yet BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No, but I've been registered by ACORN 6,452 times...but I can tell you I've decided that I cannot and will not support Obama as a candidate for POTUS. If he wins, that's another matter. , or are you waiting for the Messiah to arrive before making a decision? I'm not waiting for anything and I'm fairly sure that no Messiahs are going to be arriving, Obama included. HTH, R |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:30:15 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:44:40 -0400, daytripper wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:46:12 -0500, wrote: It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...onomic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Why do Presidents have Cabinets, partisan dumbass? Ah. So I'm curious, why doesn't he know or at least have a pretty good idea of "what's right?" I mean, he has been claiming he knows what's wrong and he has published his super-duper plan that supposedly clearly explains how he will fix everything, plus he claims he has so many answers to so many questions, so why does he need to have others "tell him what's right?" This isn't him saying, "I have a plan, and I'm pretty sure it's what I'm going to do, but before I commit to it, I want your advice/input," or even "Here's my thoughts on this, what do you think - what's your input," it's him saying he wants others to _tell him what to do_. Are you electing him or to whoever he might turn to "tell him what to do?" Do you trust him so completely to state here and now and sign your name that you support whomever he might get to "tell him what to do?" And on another level, why does he need others to tell him what's right? You'd think a person of his supposed intellect and education would have some basic idea of right and wrong. You accuse me of being a "partisan dumbass," but answer this question to yourself: what would your reaction be if anyone other than your precious St. Barack had said, "You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it." HTH, R /daytripper (double sheesh) yawn As you haven't actually seen any actual quote from the actual Obama, you don't actually have the first clue what might have been actually said, actually. Answer the question: why do Presidents have Cabinets?? Finally, you are - and have always been - a transparently partisan dumbass - regardless of how coy you try to be. You haven't been fooling anyone... /daytripper |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:44:42 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:41:41 -0400, daytripper wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:41 -0500, wrote: On 30 Oct 2008 23:05:05 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: wrote in m: It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai n-economic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"? No, it wouldn't. Actually, it certainly is. No, it certainly isn't. That's being a wishy-washy mid-level manager. When a leader is needed, there is no time for all that feel-good, CYA bull**** and leaders step up and act - leaders lead, they don't follow. Of course, sometimes they are wrong and/or make mistakes, but real leaders don't and can't worry about perfection because they understand that it is a fruitless pursuit. A real leader will spend their down-time learning and when they are called upon to lead, they will trust their instincts and have faith they will enjoy more success than failure. Of course, that's a pantload load of crap, but considering the source, it's hardly a surprise. Partisan dumbass... Spoken like someone who has never been, never will be and is totally unprepared to be anything remotely close to a real leader or know what one is, does, looks or acts like... Yeah, sure, whatever you say. snicker HTH, R ...here's a hint - there are no "good leaders" or "bad leaders," only _leaders_... Well, that's patently absurd - but again, the source... /daytripper |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:03:37 -0400, daytripper
wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:30:15 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:44:40 -0400, daytripper wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:46:12 -0500, wrote: It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill Clinton said: Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'" http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...onomic-crisis/ Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising... I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others, yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it." Sheesh, R Why do Presidents have Cabinets, partisan dumbass? Ah. So I'm curious, why doesn't he know or at least have a pretty good idea of "what's right?" I mean, he has been claiming he knows what's wrong and he has published his super-duper plan that supposedly clearly explains how he will fix everything, plus he claims he has so many answers to so many questions, so why does he need to have others "tell him what's right?" This isn't him saying, "I have a plan, and I'm pretty sure it's what I'm going to do, but before I commit to it, I want your advice/input," or even "Here's my thoughts on this, what do you think - what's your input," it's him saying he wants others to _tell him what to do_. Are you electing him or to whoever he might turn to "tell him what to do?" Do you trust him so completely to state here and now and sign your name that you support whomever he might get to "tell him what to do?" And on another level, why does he need others to tell him what's right? You'd think a person of his supposed intellect and education would have some basic idea of right and wrong. You accuse me of being a "partisan dumbass," but answer this question to yourself: what would your reaction be if anyone other than your precious St. Barack had said, "You tell me what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it." HTH, R /daytripper (double sheesh) yawn As you haven't actually seen any actual quote from the actual Obama, you don't actually have the first clue what might have been actually said, actually. I haven't? I guess some of Sarge's gay male pros took over CNN while others went down to Florida dressed as Clinton and Obama to give a stump speech and fooled everyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-9PgJfJIw (Scroll to the end of the video, like the last 30 seconds or so, if you don't want to watch the whole 10 minutes) Answer the question: why do Presidents have Cabinets?? To delegate management, not to tell them what to do or how to be leaders. Again, of course they also provide information and counsel, but that's not telling him what to do or telling him what's right. IIRC, you were among the ROFFians raising all sorts of hell about how you thought Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc., told Bush what to do and/or were really running the show - how do you reconcile that with Obama acquiescing to Clinton saying the he (Obama) looked to others to tell him what to do and what was right? Finally, you are - and have always been - a transparently partisan dumbass - regardless of how coy you try to be. You haven't been fooling anyone... I obviously have fooled a fair number of folks, you included. I'm one of the least partisan people on ROFF and likely as not, one of the least partisan people you'll ever encounter. HTH, R /daytripper |
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wrote in message ... When a leader is needed, there is no time for all that feel-good, CYA bull**** and leaders step up and act - leaders lead, they don't follow. Of course, sometimes they are wrong and/or make mistakes, but real leaders don't and can't worry about perfection because they understand that it is a fruitless pursuit. A real leader will spend their down-time learning and when they are called upon to lead, they will trust their instincts and have faith they will enjoy more success than failure. ...here's a hint - there are no "good leaders" or "bad leaders," only _leaders_... I would vehemently disagree with much of this, but you did title the thread "you gotta be kidding", RDean...... To suggest that a leader shouldn't rely on others for insights and instincts beyond his/her own is ludicrous. Furthermore, the idea of a 'one-size fits all' definition of leadership is dubious. Being POTUS is a leadership role that demands leadership in so many areas of expertise no one except an arrogant buffoon would trust his 'instincts' alone. You also gloss over the key aspect of any type of leadership: the ability to make others agree with and follow the plan, as a leader(by definition) leads others to a goal or set of goals. If you(RDean) are so convinced that Obama is not a valid leader(I would disagree), set out for us how McCain, Barr, Nader or anyone else on your ballot exceeds the skillset Obama brings to the table. Tom |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:44:42 -0500, wrote:
No, it certainly isn't. That's being a wishy-washy mid-level manager. When a leader is needed, there is no time for all that feel-good, CYA bull**** and leaders step up and act - leaders lead, they don't follow. In addition to being a real irritating participant in the forum, you're also an idiot. |
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