You gotta be kidding...

It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill
Clinton said:

Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in Florida.
"He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing
for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me what's right --
I'll figure out how to sell it.'"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...onomic-crisis/

Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials
blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he
should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is advertising...

I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others,
yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him what
to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it."

Sheesh,
R

wrote in
:

It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of
this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what
Bill Clinton said:

Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in
Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the
right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me
what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai
n-economic-crisis/

Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials
blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he
should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is
advertising...

I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others,
yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him
what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it."

Sheesh,
R


Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well
reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"?

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Scott
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On 30 Oct 2008 23:05:05 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
:

It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of
this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what
Bill Clinton said:

Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in
Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the
right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me
what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai
n-economic-crisis/

Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials
blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he
should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is
advertising...

I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others,
yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him
what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it."

Sheesh,
R


Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well
reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"?

No, it wouldn't.

HTH,
R

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:41 -0500, wrote:

On 30 Oct 2008 23:05:05 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
m:

It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of
this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what
Bill Clinton said:

Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in
Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the
right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me
what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai
n-economic-crisis/

Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials
blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he
should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is
advertising...

I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others,
yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him
what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it."

Sheesh,
R


Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well
reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"?

No, it wouldn't.

Actually, it certainly is.

Partisan dumbass...

/daytripper

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:41:41 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:41 -0500, wrote:

On 30 Oct 2008 23:05:05 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
:

It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of
this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what
Bill Clinton said:

Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in
Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the
right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me
what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai
n-economic-crisis/

Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials
blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he
should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is
advertising...

I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others,
yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him
what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it."

Sheesh,
R


Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well
reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"?

No, it wouldn't.

Actually, it certainly is.

No, it certainly isn't. That's being a wishy-washy mid-level manager.
When a leader is needed, there is no time for all that feel-good, CYA
bull**** and leaders step up and act - leaders lead, they don't follow.
Of course, sometimes they are wrong and/or make mistakes, but real
leaders don't and can't worry about perfection because they understand
that it is a fruitless pursuit. A real leader will spend their
down-time learning and when they are called upon to lead, they will
trust their instincts and have faith they will enjoy more success than
failure.

Partisan dumbass...

Spoken like someone who has never been, never will be and is totally
unprepared to be anything remotely close to a real leader or know what
one is, does, looks or acts like...

HTH,
R
....here's a hint - there are no "good leaders" or "bad leaders," only
_leaders_...

/daytripper

wrote:

A real leader will spend their
down-time learning and when they are called upon to lead, they will
trust their instincts and have faith they will enjoy more success than
failure.

The last part sounds like "trust your gut" W, and the first half sounds
like O.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:44:42 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:41:41 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:41 -0500, wrote:

On 30 Oct 2008 23:05:05 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
m:

It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of
this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what
Bill Clinton said:

Clinton told the crowd at a Wednesday night rally with Obama in
Florida. "He said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the
right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular. You tell me
what's right -- I'll figure out how to sell it.'"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...obama-uncertai
n-economic-crisis/

Unfrigginbelievable...and this is the guy who is running commercials
blasting McCain for admitting he didn't know as much as he felt he
should about _economics_, not the _economy_, as Obama is
advertising...

I can already hear the spin - he has advisors, he listens to others,
yada, yada, yada, but the fact remains he wanted others to tell him
what to do and he'd just be the guy who "sells it."

Sheesh,
R


Wouldn't contacting experts and advisors before formulating a well
reasoned and organized response be called "leadership"?

No, it wouldn't.

Actually, it certainly is.

No, it certainly isn't. That's being a wishy-washy mid-level manager.
When a leader is needed, there is no time for all that feel-good, CYA
bull**** and leaders step up and act - leaders lead, they don't follow.
Of course, sometimes they are wrong and/or make mistakes, but real
leaders don't and can't worry about perfection because they understand
that it is a fruitless pursuit. A real leader will spend their
down-time learning and when they are called upon to lead, they will
trust their instincts and have faith they will enjoy more success than
failure.

Of course, that's a pantload load of crap, but considering the source, it's
hardly a surprise.

Partisan dumbass...

Spoken like someone who has never been, never will be and is totally
unprepared to be anything remotely close to a real leader or know what
one is, does, looks or acts like...

Yeah, sure, whatever you say. snicker

HTH,
R
...here's a hint - there are no "good leaders" or "bad leaders," only
_leaders_...

Well, that's patently absurd - but again, the source...

/daytripper

wrote in message
...
When a leader is needed, there is no time for all that feel-good, CYA
bull**** and leaders step up and act - leaders lead, they don't follow.
Of course, sometimes they are wrong and/or make mistakes, but real
leaders don't and can't worry about perfection because they understand
that it is a fruitless pursuit. A real leader will spend their
down-time learning and when they are called upon to lead, they will
trust their instincts and have faith they will enjoy more success than
failure.
...here's a hint - there are no "good leaders" or "bad leaders," only
_leaders_...

I would vehemently disagree with much of this, but you did title the thread
"you gotta be kidding", RDean......
To suggest that a leader shouldn't rely on others for insights and instincts
beyond his/her own is ludicrous. Furthermore, the idea of a 'one-size fits
all' definition of leadership is dubious. Being POTUS is a leadership role
that demands leadership in so many areas of expertise no one except an
arrogant buffoon would trust his 'instincts' alone. You also gloss over the
key aspect of any type of leadership: the ability to make others agree with
and follow the plan, as a leader(by definition) leads others to a goal or
set of goals. If you(RDean) are so convinced that Obama is not a valid
leader(I would disagree), set out for us how McCain, Barr, Nader or anyone
else on your ballot exceeds the skillset Obama brings to the table.
Tom

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:44:42 -0500, wrote:



No, it certainly isn't. That's being a wishy-washy mid-level manager.
When a leader is needed, there is no time for all that feel-good, CYA
bull**** and leaders step up and act - leaders lead, they don't follow.

In addition to being a real irritating participant in the forum,
you're also an idiot.

wrote in
:

It seems that Fox is the only major news outlet making mention of this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's Fox, but this is a quote of what Bill
Clinton said:

Bye the bye, you figure out who you voting for yet, or are you waiting for
the Messiah to arrive before making a decision?

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Scott
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