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vote no on barrack hussein obama.....even if he fig's out
where is was born, of what country he belongs to......

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On Nov 4, 12:45*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
vote no on barrack hussein obama.....even if he fig's out
where is was born, of what country he belongs to......

Fear and loathing....

--riverman
(BOO!)

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Granted, it was a 62-28 loss, but we still like Pelini here in
Nebraska.
Frank Reid

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On Nov 3, 10:45*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
vote no on barrack hussein obama.....even if he fig's out
where is was born, of what country he belongs to......

Is McCain a citizen? Hmm, Obama was at least born in the US. McCain
was not and the ruling on that has never passed Supreme Court
scrutiny. However, being born in the US with at least one US citizen
as a parent has. So, do we vote for the American or the Panamanian?
Frank Reid

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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:24:34 -0800 (PST), Frank Reid © 2008
wrote:

On Nov 3, 10:45*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
vote no on barrack hussein obama.....even if he fig's out
where is was born, of what country he belongs to......

Is McCain a citizen? Hmm, Obama was at least born in the US. McCain
was not and the ruling on that has never passed Supreme Court
scrutiny. However, being born in the US with at least one US citizen
as a parent has. So, do we vote for the American or the Panamanian?
Frank Reid

My gawd, Frank. Not you. McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a
legitimate part of Panama that belong to the U.S. Besides, he was
born to a member of the U.S. Military, so regardless *where* he was
born, he is a native born citizen of the U.S.

On last count, I don't believe Kenya is part of the U.S., nor is
Barrack senior a U.S. Citizen that served in the military.

Dave

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Frank Reid © 2008 wrote:
Is McCain a citizen? Hmm, Obama was at least born in the US. McCain
was not and the ruling on that has never passed Supreme Court
scrutiny. However, being born in the US with at least one US citizen
as a parent has. So, do we vote for the American or the Panamanian?

My gawd, Frank. Not you. McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a
legitimate part of Panama that belong to the U.S. Besides, he was
born to a member of the U.S. Military, so regardless *where* he was
born, he is a native born citizen of the U.S.

On last count, I don't believe Kenya is part of the U.S., nor is
Barrack senior a U.S. Citizen that served in the military.

I was born in Landstuhl, Germany to U.S. citizen parents,
my dad was an Air Force Sergeant at the time. I have a
German birth certificate issued at my birth in 1956 and
Naturalization papers from the U.S. State Department issued
in 1958. For my entire life, until this McCain thing came
up, I have believed myself ineligible for the presidency
because I was a Naturalized citizen. My father always
believed the same thing.

Like Frank said, it's never been put to the test and as
usual what you lack in knowledge you make up for with
certitude.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:16:16 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Like Frank said, it's never been put to the test and as
usual what you lack in knowledge you make up for with
certitude.

Horse caca. He was born in a U.S. possession. If he had been born on
Guam, Alaska or Hawaii before they became states, he would be eligible
for POTUS. Kenya is NOT part of the U.S. It has been reported that
Obama's own fraternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya. And,
yes, even you are eligible for POTUS. kaaaaack

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Like Frank said, it's never been put to the test and as
usual what you lack in knowledge you make up for with
certitude.

... It has been reported that
Obama's own fraternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya. ...

I tried to warn you about wandering around outside without
your tin foil hat.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Nov 3, 1:04*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

My gawd, Frank. *Not you. *McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a
legitimate part of Panama that belong to the U.S. *Besides, he was
born to a member of the U.S. Military, so regardless *where* he was
born, he is a native born citizen of the U.S.

On last count, I don't believe Kenya is part of the U.S., nor is
Barrack senior a U.S. Citizen that served in the military.

Dave

But Dave, do you think Cindy McCain will use her position in the
Whitehouse to get large amounts of narcotics like she did with her
"medical charity?" Have the McCain's tax returns been revised to
account for the fact that some portion of their joint return
charitable contribution deduction went to actually pay for her long
drug addiction? The McCains claimed that the drugs were going to
charities in Africa. They even set up a front non-profit company to
cover up her stealing.I guess you noticed that the Obama campaign
never brought this up.

How does that mesh with your discourse on honor? I guess kinda like
the blind spot cultivated by some when for purely ideological reasons
it was OK to **** all over Max Cleland because he was of another
political party? I could have supported McCain last time. And I was
willing to overlook much. Here is the short list of what the Democrats
had too much honor to use against McCain. Restraint that you cannot
even start to acknowledge.

1. McCain wrecked 3 planes. At least 2 were judged to have happened
due to recklessness.
2. Why did McCain, the son of an Admiral, etc, never get a sea
command. You know why.
3. McCain's womenizing.
4. McCain's drinking and party habits as a lobbyist for the Navy. He
was a real prick.
5. McCain's rogue betrayal of Navy decisions on procurement while he
was their representative in D.C.
6. McCain's ignorance of the basic geography and economy of even his
home State of Arizona.
7. McCain's health issues, which go far beyond the skin cancer.
8. McCain's failure to clean up his wife's drug related tax mess.

I know what the clowns who control the R party now would have made of
the above had the shoe been on the other foot. Given the rascist and
anti-semitic crap they have already stooped to, any discussions of
honor from that side of the fense is 100% bull****.

Pacific Dave

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On Nov 3, 3:34*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:16:16 -0600, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
Like Frank said, it's never been put to the test and as
usual what you lack in knowledge you make up for with
certitude.

Horse caca. *He was born in a U.S. possession. *If he had been born on
Guam, Alaska or Hawaii before they became states, he would be eligible
for POTUS. *Kenya is NOT part of the U.S. *It has been reported that
Obama's own fraternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya. *And,
yes, even you are eligible for POTUS. *kaaaaack

Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state. "It has been
reported..." is not good enough. Hell, if we believe the "it has been
reported" stuff, then space aliens are frequent overnight guests at
the White house. For Obama, there is a Hawiian birth certificate.
Works for me until proven in a court otherwise. United States v. Wong
Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898),
On the other the other hand, there is still, "tradition"
notwithstanding, question on the by birth/naturalization question of
those born in protectorates, possessions and of US parents. In
regards to the Panama Canal Zone, on July 28, 1904, Controller of the
Treasury Robert Tracewell stated, "While the general spirit and
purpose of the Constitution is applicable to the zone, that domain is
not a part of the United States within the full meaning of the
Constitution and laws of the country." So this question has been
floundering around for a very long time. It wasn't until 1953 that
those born in the Canal Zone were granted citizenship automatically.
Mr. McCain was born in '36. The Canal Zone at the time was under "US
control." Not a possession or protectorate. I'm not saying that John
McCain is not US citizen, I'm just saying that there is more leqal
grey area possible in John McCain's citizenship than in Barack
Obama's.
Frank Reid

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:04:57 -0500, Dave LaCourse wrote:


My gawd, Frank. Not you. McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a
legitimate part of Panama that belong to the U.S. Besides, he was born
to a member of the U.S. Military, so regardless *where* he was born, he
is a native born citizen of the U.S.

Not necessarily.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us...11mccain.html?
_r=1&oref=slogin

Regardless, the courts are not going to touch these cases. There have
been 3 or 4 cases regarding Obama's citizenship, all have been
dismissed. There have also been several regarding McCain's citizenship,
also dismissed.

It's a democracy. Do you really want a judge to limit candidacy?

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:51:29 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Like Frank said, it's never been put to the test and as
usual what you lack in knowledge you make up for with
certitude.

... It has been reported that
Obama's own fraternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya. ...

I tried to warn you about wandering around outside without
your tin foil hat.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:54:32 -0800 (PST), DaveS
wrote:


Yawn. I'll take all of that before I take a born muslim (who
practiced it in Indonesian, who has Communist mentors, terrorists as
friends, pro PLO anti-Israeli buds, crooks as financial buddies, a
minister who hates America and its white population, and a wife who
has never been proud to be an American and who is a racist.

Can you answer what has Obama done? McCain has been serving his
country continuously since before Obama was born. WHAT has Obama done
for me, for you, for America? Nothing! He can read a teleprompter
pretty well....... that's about it.

Dave

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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:00:01 -0800 (PST), Frank Reid © 2008
wrote:

On Nov 3, 3:34*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:16:16 -0600, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
Like Frank said, it's never been put to the test and as
usual what you lack in knowledge you make up for with
certitude.

Horse caca. *He was born in a U.S. possession. *If he had been born on
Guam, Alaska or Hawaii before they became states, he would be eligible
for POTUS. *Kenya is NOT part of the U.S. *It has been reported that
Obama's own fraternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya. *And,
yes, even you are eligible for POTUS. *kaaaaack

Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state. "It has been
reported..." is not good enough. Hell, if we believe the "it has been
reported" stuff, then space aliens are frequent overnight guests at
the White house. For Obama, there is a Hawiian birth certificate.
Works for me until proven in a court otherwise. United States v. Wong
Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898),
On the other the other hand, there is still, "tradition"
notwithstanding, question on the by birth/naturalization question of
those born in protectorates, possessions and of US parents. In
regards to the Panama Canal Zone, on July 28, 1904, Controller of the
Treasury Robert Tracewell stated, "While the general spirit and
purpose of the Constitution is applicable to the zone, that domain is
not a part of the United States within the full meaning of the
Constitution and laws of the country." So this question has been
floundering around for a very long time. It wasn't until 1953 that
those born in the Canal Zone were granted citizenship automatically.
Mr. McCain was born in '36. The Canal Zone at the time was under "US
control." Not a possession or protectorate. I'm not saying that John
McCain is not US citizen, I'm just saying that there is more leqal
grey area possible in John McCain's citizenship than in Barack
Obama's.
Frank Reid

Frank, he is eligible to serve as POSTUS. If you think he isn't, you
are reaching for straws.

Why hasn't the DNC filed papers against him?

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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
vote no on barrack hussein obama.....even if he fig's out
where is was born, of what country he belongs to......



yup, this crystallizes the opposition for me!!!
Tom
p.s. c'mon, at least some of you GOP lackeys have to
be embarrassed by this illiterate loon......

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Dave LaCourse wrote in
:


Frank, he is eligible to serve as POSTUS. If you think he isn't, you
are reaching for straws.

Why hasn't the DNC filed papers against him?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us.../28mccain.html has a great
review on this, and its not as clear as you seem to think. It hasn't been
pursued just because of a sort of gentleman's agreement-- a can of worms
over a technicality. A contest would probably result in a SC decision in
favor of "natural born"

Then again, bringing it up might actually have resulted in the GOP fielding
a candidate who had a chance of winning, and we wouldn't want that!



--
Scott
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"DaveS" wrote in message
...
But Dave, do you think Cindy McCain will use her position in the
Whitehouse to get large amounts of narcotics like she did with her
"medical charity?"


good Gawd, Snedeker, aim higher! Do you have any idea of the level and
quality of pharmaceuticals that the government has a hold of?? Narcotics?
That woman could find Nirvana if only her husband hadn't just run one of the
worst campaigns in modern history.......
Tom

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
McCain has been serving his
country continuously since before Obama was born.

well, he was bumbling into school on legacy coattails, finishing in the
bottom of his class, crashing planes with alarming frequency, clipping wires
and finally getting his ass shot down(when clearly he was incompetent to
have sent overseas). Then, he returned home to pursue politics, cheat on his
wife, get hooked up with some shady financial deals and, well, yes he has
been serving up something, and pretty damned continuously at that.......

.....sad, that the POW experience seems to be his moral
high water mark......
Tom

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in
:

That woman could find Nirvana if only her husband hadn't just run one
of the worst campaigns in modern history.......


Maybe the gov could disappear her under the Patriot Act, and use some of
the good drugs to question her.

Wow-- I hope I see the day when all that particular nastiness disappears.
Maybe that's only 90 days away!!


--
Scott
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:28:45 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
.. .
McCain has been serving his
country continuously since before Obama was born.

well, he was bumbling into school on legacy coattails, finishing in the
bottom of his class, crashing planes with alarming frequency, clipping wires
and finally getting his ass shot down(when clearly he was incompetent to
have sent overseas). Then, he returned home to pursue politics, cheat on his
wife, get hooked up with some shady financial deals and, well, yes he has
been serving up something, and pretty damned continuously at that.......

....sad, that the POW experience seems to be his moral
high water mark......
Tom


Tom, the man has been serving his country since before Obama was born.
He has decorations to prove it. WHAT does Obama have except a natural
born ability to read a teleprompter? WHAT? WHAT has HE done to serve
this nation? Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Zilch.

Dave

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On 3 Nov 2008 22:28:57 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Wow-- I hope I see the day when all that particular nastiness disappears.
Maybe that's only 90 days away!!

If Obama wins, the nastiness will *really* begin.

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On Nov 3, 2:06*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

Yawn. *I'll take all of that before I take a born muslim (who
practiced it in Indonesian, who has Communist mentors, terrorists as
friends, pro PLO anti-Israeli buds, crooks as financial buddies, a
minister who hates America and its white population, and a wife who
has never been proud to be an American and who is a racist.

Oh give it a rest. Did McCain complain about the Vietnamese POW food?
No. "Sam" hoc Phan says he ate every last drop. He liked it. Did his
torturers smash his dick? No. He got away with his dick in-****ing-
tact. Did his torturers butt-plug him? We really do not know. But, I
ask you this. . . Would he be running for Prez if it were not for his
Vietnamese torturers? No way. And think about those torturers. I bet
they have some juicy McCain stories. But hey; you don't hear them
running down Obama do you? Well do you? So why the **** are you making
all this **** up. I thought you were just crowing about living with
it.

I've told you what Obama has done, and tomorrow hopefully his lifelist
will include beating the old guy.
I understand that you support McCain for your own reasons, however
convoluted and Jesus-hating they might be, but would you still support
McCain if he were a child molesting, transvestite with no real style
sense whatsoever?

Dave
I have it on good intel that McCain took God's name in vain many
times.

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DaveS wrote in news:627f8b61-7da5-439f-9702-
:

No. He got away with his dick in-****ing-
tact.

Are you referring to this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...rs-could-face-
trial-in-britain-over-torture-allegations-980384.html

--
Scott
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
snip
I was born in Landstuhl, Germany to U.S. citizen parents,
my dad was an Air Force Sergeant at the time. I have a
German birth certificate issued at my birth in 1956 and
Naturalization papers from the U.S. State Department issued
in 1958.

Oh, gawd! You're not running for office, are you?! Talk about goin' ta hell
in a handbasket.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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DaveS wrote:

1. McCain wrecked 3 planes. At least 2 were judged to have happened
due to recklessness.
2. Why did McCain, the son of an Admiral, etc, never get a sea
command. You know why.
3. McCain's womenizing.
4. McCain's drinking and party habits as a lobbyist for the Navy. He
was a real prick.
5. McCain's rogue betrayal of Navy decisions on procurement while he
was their representative in D.C.
6. McCain's ignorance of the basic geography and economy of even his
home State of Arizona.
7. McCain's health issues, which go far beyond the skin cancer.
8. McCain's failure to clean up his wife's drug related tax mess.

You forgot to mention the binge gambling.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:54:32 -0800 (PST), DaveS
wrote:


Yawn. I'll take all of that before I take a born muslim (who
practiced it in Indonesian, who has Communist mentors, terrorists as
friends, pro PLO anti-Israeli buds, crooks as financial buddies, a
minister who hates America and its white population, and a wife who
has never been proud to be an American and who is a racist.

Can you answer what has Obama done? McCain has been serving his
country continuously since before Obama was born. WHAT has Obama done
for me, for you, for America? Nothing! He can read a teleprompter
pretty well....... that's about it.

Dave



I never tire of seeing this. It happens over and over. These political
threads get LaCourse wound up tighter than a virgin's daughter.
Eventually, SPROING!

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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On Nov 3, 4:07*pm, rw wrote:
DaveS wrote:

1. McCain wrecked 3 planes. At least 2 were judged to have happened
due to recklessness.
2. Why did McCain, the son of an Admiral, etc, never get a sea
command. You know why.
3. McCain's womanizing.
4. McCain's drinking and party habits as a lobbyist for the Navy. He
was a real prick.
5. McCain's rogue betrayal of Navy decisions on procurement while he
was their representative in D.C.
6. McCain's ignorance of the basic geography and economy of even his
home State of Arizona.
7. McCain's health issues, which go far beyond the skin cancer.
8. McCain's failure to clean up his wife's drug related tax mess.

You forgot to mention the binge gambling.


I know. Wasn't that about how he won his African-American love child?
In a card game?

Oh, have I got this whole thing wrong or what? This is a list of the
nasty stuff the BUSH Campaign ran against McCain! I guess the Ds
didn't want to infringe on the RNCs copyrights. After all aren't the
Rs all about honor and stuff?

Dave
Heehaw, heehaw, hee haw

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On 3 Nov 2008 22:28:57 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Wow-- I hope I see the day when all that particular nastiness disappears.
Maybe that's only 90 days away!!

If Obama wins, the nastiness will *really* begin.



how so, David?
Tom

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On Nov 3, 2:25*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"DaveS" wrote in message

...
But Dave, do you think Cindy McCain will use her position in the
Whitehouse to get large amounts of narcotics like she did with her
"medical charity?"

good Gawd, Snedeker, aim higher! Do you have any idea of the level and
quality of pharmaceuticals that the government has a hold of?? Narcotics?
That woman could find Nirvana if only her husband hadn't just run one of the
worst campaigns in modern history.......
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Hold on there . . . maybe SHE was stealing the drugs for HIM. You know
the pain and all? It could happen. Look, there is the case of Rush
Limberg. He needed the drugs for his anal warts, not by the way
contracted in the usual way anal warts are contracted, but from
something much more ah, hetero, like driving a jeep too much or like
that. Not like Karl Rove might have contracted his anal warts. And the
drugs were for the pain. You heathen hear? the Pain...

Dave

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On 3 Nov 2008 22:21:09 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote in
:


Frank, he is eligible to serve as POSTUS. If you think he isn't, you
are reaching for straws.

Why hasn't the DNC filed papers against him?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us.../28mccain.html has a great
review on this, and its not as clear as you seem to think.

It's clear. The term "natural born" as used in the US Constitution,
does not mean born within the boundaries of the US as they exist at any
given moment, nor does it even elude to geography. It means a "citizen
at birth," as opposed to "naturalized citizen" or other form of "created
citizen" from one who held prior foreign citizenship. Through at least
two Federal laws, The Naturalization Act of 1795 and the law that made
Panama Canal births to US citizens, citizens (even retroactively), and a
whole body of clear legislative intent, McCain was a US citizen at
birth.

It hasn't been
pursued just because of a sort of gentleman's agreement

It hasn't been pursued because there is nothing to pursue, and the only
people who have standing to pursue it, Congress, know as a body there is
nothing to pursue (individuals, etc., don't have standing in the case of
the POTUS).

HTH,
R
-- a can of worms over a technicality. A contest would probably result in a SC decision in
favor of "natural born"

Then again, bringing it up might actually have resulted in the GOP fielding
a candidate who had a chance of winning, and we wouldn't want that!

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On Nov 3, 4:07*pm, rw wrote:
DaveS wrote:

1. McCain wrecked 3 planes. At least 2 were judged to have happened
due to recklessness.
2. Why did McCain, the son of an Admiral, etc, never get a sea
command. You know why.
3. McCain's womenizing.
4. McCain's drinking and party habits as a lobbyist for the Navy. He
was a real prick.
5. McCain's rogue betrayal of Navy decisions on procurement while he
was their representative in D.C.
6. McCain's ignorance of the basic geography and economy of even his
home State of Arizona.
7. McCain's health issues, which go far beyond the skin cancer.
8. McCain's failure to clean up his wife's drug related tax mess.

You forgot to mention the binge gambling.

True

Now that the election is almost here its probably not a smear if I
mention that McCain's class ranking at Annapolis was 894th out of 899
midshipmen? So what I cannot figure is how he qualified for flight
training? Maybe same way that GW did? Daddypoints?

I'd have figured he would have been steered into a fine but short
career in recreational logistics at one of those military and DOD only
resorts.

Dave

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John spent more time in a prision camp than barrack hussein
obaba is/has been a senator.....a bit of a mis match there in
expierence...










On Nov 3, 3:34*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On 3 Nov 2008 22:28:57 GMT, Scott Seidman

wrote:
Wow-- I hope I see the day when all that particular nastiness disappears.. *
Maybe that's only 90 days away!!

If Obama wins, the nastiness will *really* begin. *

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wrote in
:


It hasn't been pursued because there is nothing to pursue, and the only
people who have standing to pursue it, Congress, know as a body there
is
nothing to pursue (individuals, etc., don't have standing in the case
of
the POTUS).

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

I'm thrilled that your armchair analysis has yielded an opinion much
clearer than a Constitutional lawyer who obviously spent weeks to months
credibly thinking on and researching the matter, who opines that there
are historical differences between naturalized and native born, and that
only some interpretations would provide a conclusion of presidential
eligiblity.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.



--
Scott
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On Nov 3, 5:42*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
John spent more time in a prision camp than barrack hussein
obaba is/has been a senator.....a bit of a mis match there in
expierence...

- Show quoted text -

First name basis. Wow. You seem to know a lot about McCain. Has the
man ever earned a paycheck from anything but the government? You know,
8 hours for 8 hours of pay? Ever? Why not? Just about everybody has
worked some sort of job outside of government sometime right? Has he
ever paid for his own health insurance? . . . paid for his kids
medical care? Paid his own college tuition? Paid for his own airline
ticket? Ever?

You know a lot about him.Fill us in please.

Dave

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wrote in message
t...
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:04:57 -0500, Dave LaCourse wrote:


My gawd, Frank. Not you. McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a
legitimate part of Panama that belong to the U.S. Besides, he was born
to a member of the U.S. Military, so regardless *where* he was born, he
is a native born citizen of the U.S.

Not necessarily.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us...11mccain.html?
_r=1&oref=slogin

Regardless, the courts are not going to touch these cases. There have
been 3 or 4 cases regarding Obama's citizenship, all have been
dismissed. There have also been several regarding McCain's citizenship,
also dismissed.

It's a democracy. Do you really want a judge to limit candidacy?

Actually it is a Representative Republic.

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"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:51:29 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Like Frank said, it's never been put to the test and as
usual what you lack in knowledge you make up for with
certitude.

... It has been reported that
Obama's own fraternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya. ...

I tried to warn you about wandering around outside without
your tin foil hat.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

Please! No more facts. You are confusing people.

Steve A

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On 4 Nov 2008 01:47:51 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
:


It hasn't been pursued because there is nothing to pursue, and the only
people who have standing to pursue it, Congress, know as a body there
is
nothing to pursue (individuals, etc., don't have standing in the case
of
the POTUS).

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

I'm thrilled that your armchair analysis has yielded an opinion much
clearer than a Constitutional lawyer who obviously spent weeks to months
credibly thinking on and researching the matter, who opines that there
are historical differences between naturalized and native born, and that
only some interpretations would provide a conclusion of presidential
eligiblity.

I'm more than passingly familiar with most of what's in that, and your
argument that "some interpretations" would provide this or that is
nonsense. "Some interpretations" provide that Obama is a secret Muslim,
that Elvis is alive and well and having a donut at Dunkin' with Jimi
Hendrix and a guy from Venus and that you know of what you speak. One
can make whatever academic arguments one wishes, even interesting ones,
and make all sorts of arguendo "ifs," but they are ultimately without
merit because the Constitution, its meaning and the law are all in clear
agreement.

And if you'll actually read your own cite, you'll find that she says the
same thing. I feel no need to apologize for not needing "weeks to
months" to determine such a clear Constitutional matter. Further, that
article shouldn't have taken more than a day or two, and as far as
McCain, a lot of what the article covers could have been ignored - he
isn't an American Indian born on a reservation prior to 1982, his
parents were US citizens at their births with permanent residence in the
US, he has undoubtedly met the residency requirements, he was never a
citizen of another nation, etc., etc., etc.

You are perfectly free to be as wrong as you wish, but the answer to the
question of McCain being a "natural born citizen" under and as intended
by the US Constitution for the purposes of eligibility for the office of
POTUS is clear - he is a "natural born citizen."

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

You're welcome,
R

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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:24:01 -0800 (PST), DaveS
wrote:

I've told you what Obama has done, and tomorrow hopefully his lifelist
will include beating the old guy.
I understand that you support McCain for your own reasons, however
convoluted and Jesus-hating they might be, but would you still support
McCain if he were a child molesting, transvestite with no real style
sense whatsoever?

First off, David, McCain wasn't my first or second choice. He has
****ed me off over the years on how he's voted. He is, however, the
best choice this time around, as was Bush the last two times, as was
Clinton the last two times before that. Child molesting trasvestite?
What the hell are you talking about? I would NOT vote for him if he
had ties with a sympathizer of the PLO, buddies with a communist and a
terrorist, and went to a church where the pastor was not only
anti-white, but anti-US and he actively supported that pastor. The
man has done nothing, David, nothing. He's been running for postus
for two years - that is the only thing he has done. He is as
qualified for the WH as Palin is, and with all the **** that has come
out of the mouth of Biden, I would say that Palin is more qualified
than he is.

Would you vote for Obama if it was shown that he is sympathetic
towards the PLO, anti-Israeli, was friends with a domestic terrorist,
had communist mentors, etc, etc, etc. Of *course* you would. Pol
Pot himself would be a better choice than a Republican, right?

Dave

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:11:11 -0800, rw
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:54:32 -0800 (PST), DaveS
wrote:


Yawn. I'll take all of that before I take a born muslim (who
practiced it in Indonesian, who has Communist mentors, terrorists as
friends, pro PLO anti-Israeli buds, crooks as financial buddies, a
minister who hates America and its white population, and a wife who
has never been proud to be an American and who is a racist.

Can you answer what has Obama done? McCain has been serving his
country continuously since before Obama was born. WHAT has Obama done
for me, for you, for America? Nothing! He can read a teleprompter
pretty well....... that's about it.

Dave



I never tire of seeing this. It happens over and over. These political
threads get LaCourse wound up tighter than a virgin's daughter.
Eventually, SPROING!

Maybe so, but I'm not a girly-man, and I don't dress up like a girl.

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On Nov 4, 4:33*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
Eventually, SPROING!

Maybe so, but I'm not a girly-man, and I don't dress up like a girl.- Hide quoted text -


God damn right, Dave does not dress up like a girly man. We agree on
something.

Dave
So have you heard that McCain porked Nancy Raygun in the Lincoln
bedroom. Seriously, he just jumped on it like it was Saigon Judy and
he were LURP One going upcountry.