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"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who
will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...e&ref=homepage |
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On Aug 30, 5:04*pm, jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&.... ....yawn... oz |
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MajorOz wrote:
jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&... ...yawn... Really. I mean "responsible Republican" is a contradiction in terms. Diogenes could have found unicorns, leprechauns and the tooth fairy before he ever found a "responsible Republican". -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Aug 30, 5:04*pm, jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&.... Uh, how 'bout us moderates? Are we allowed in the discourse? We have a resurgence of the power of the labor unions, such as SEIU, with government support. I had never heard of either ACORN or SEIU till 3 years ago and now they have incredible power with the requisite abuse. The cost of running a city is skyrocketing because unions won't budge. The fire and police department here in Omaha are run by unions that are spiking their pay and refuse to allow a change. They also have enough politicians in their pockets that their affecting the agenda. I'm not seeing a lot of leadership and I'm also seeing the same deal of "if you're against the president, then you're unAmerican." Bull. The rise in government workers is another thing that is scaring me. More and more folks in the government and we all know that the most costly thing in any business is the manpower. Who's going to pay for this? Yes, granted, the pay is not as good as the private sector for equivalent work so quite often, you're not gonna get that top performer. This causes more problems. "Grade inflation" is rampant. I've seen folks getting the title and duty of "engineer" with a 2 year degree (check out the help wanted adds and you'll find tons of this). And when a system doesn't work as planned, they're stymied. Then they have to backtrack or call in folks who can fix it, doubling or trebling the cost. A few years ago, I was termed a "liberal." Now I'm considered right wing. Why? I'm retired military so I must be some right wing nut. Those that are being called liberals are so far from the middle (Pelosi and crew), they're in a whole nother world. Oh, by the way, they have the power. I'm so sick and tired of "big corporations and banks are bad." Bull. They happen to make a lot of the useless crap we buy. They employ tons of people. Now those folks are out of a job. Screw that. I'm just sick and tired of the animosity caused by this divergence from the middle. Folks are toooooooo far to the right and left and the rest of us are stuck with scary policies. There is no balance. It would be the same with the Limbaugh crowd. Just another screaming fringe telling us the other side is evil whilst raping the rest of us. Frank "the Mad Middle" Reid and oh by the way, that friggen editorial was nothing but a bunch of hand wringing and whining. Where are the Dem's that want to stand up and say "enough's enough?" |
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On 2010-08-30 18:04:53 -0400, jeff said:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...e&ref=homepage Big word at the top of the page: "OPINION" They're just like assholes; we all have one. Dave (surprised at my brother Jeff) d;o) |
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Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
Uh, how 'bout us moderates? Are we allowed in the discourse? Unfortunately, yes you are. We have a resurgence of the power of the labor unions, such as SEIU, with government support. I had never heard of either ACORN or SEIU till 3 years ago and now they have incredible power with the requisite abuse. Good lord. One cannot even begin to address ignorance of this magnitude. ACORN has incredible power ? Unions are resurgent ? I can only surmise that you *want* to be ignorant because you could easily learn for yourself the absurdity of both of those propositions. Here's a good place for a moderate to start reading: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...0fa_fact_mayer Good luck. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On 2010-08-30 19:15:08 -0400, Frank Reid � 2010 said:
On Aug 30, 5:04Â*pm, jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me& ... Uh, how 'bout us moderates? Are we allowed in the discourse? We have a resurgence of the power of the labor unions, such as SEIU, with government support. I had never heard of either ACORN or SEIU till 3 years ago and now they have incredible power with the requisite abuse. The cost of running a city is skyrocketing because unions won't budge. The fire and police department here in Omaha are run by unions that are spiking their pay and refuse to allow a change. They also have enough politicians in their pockets that their affecting the agenda. I'm not seeing a lot of leadership and I'm also seeing the same deal of "if you're against the president, then you're unAmerican." Bull. The rise in government workers is another thing that is scaring me. More and more folks in the government and we all know that the most costly thing in any business is the manpower. Who's going to pay for this? Yes, granted, the pay is not as good as the private sector for equivalent work so quite often, you're not gonna get that top performer. This causes more problems. "Grade inflation" is rampant. I've seen folks getting the title and duty of "engineer" with a 2 year degree (check out the help wanted adds and you'll find tons of this). And when a system doesn't work as planned, they're stymied. Then they have to backtrack or call in folks who can fix it, doubling or trebling the cost. A few years ago, I was termed a "liberal." Now I'm considered right wing. Why? I'm retired military so I must be some right wing nut. Those that are being called liberals are so far from the middle (Pelosi and crew), they're in a whole nother world. Oh, by the way, they have the power. I'm so sick and tired of "big corporations and banks are bad." Bull. They happen to make a lot of the useless crap we buy. They employ tons of people. Now those folks are out of a job. Screw that. I'm just sick and tired of the animosity caused by this divergence from the middle. Folks are toooooooo far to the right and left and the rest of us are stuck with scary policies. There is no balance. It would be the same with the Limbaugh crowd. Just another screaming fringe telling us the other side is evil whilst raping the rest of us. Frank "the Mad Middle" Reid and oh by the way, that friggen editorial was nothing but a bunch of hand wringing and whining. Where are the Dem's that want to stand up and say "enough's enough?" clap clap clap Well said, Frank. I was a JFK liberal way back when. The very first thing he did was cut taxes and revenues soared. Then he gave the military one helluva nice raise. What we have now are NOT JFK liberals. They're socialists. Soon they will run out of money - mine and yours. Then wtf is going to happen? If Obama abolishes the Bush tax cuts, watch what happens - it ain't gonna be good. If fools like Fortenberry want to give more, well, by all means, give it. And if you pray, pray for Obama's good health; we do not need the idiot Biden taking over. As far as Limbaugh and Beck - they make their living off of controversy. Their positions are OPINIONS, just like the dude in this article. Dave (who is spending as much as he can on fly fishing stuff/trips, and driving schools. My kids won't get a helluva lot because the inheritance tax is obscene.) |
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On 8/30/2010 7:15 PM, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
On Aug 30, 5:04 pm, wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&... Uh, how 'bout us moderates? Are we allowed in the discourse? We have a resurgence of the power of the labor unions, such as SEIU, with government support. I had never heard of either ACORN or SEIU till 3 years ago and now they have incredible power with the requisite abuse. The cost of running a city is skyrocketing because unions won't budge. The fire and police department here in Omaha are run by unions that are spiking their pay and refuse to allow a change. They also have enough politicians in their pockets that their affecting the agenda. I'm not seeing a lot of leadership and I'm also seeing the same deal of "if you're against the president, then you're unAmerican." Bull. The rise in government workers is another thing that is scaring me. More and more folks in the government and we all know that the most costly thing in any business is the manpower. Who's going to pay for this? Yes, granted, the pay is not as good as the private sector for equivalent work so quite often, you're not gonna get that top performer. This causes more problems. "Grade inflation" is rampant. I've seen folks getting the title and duty of "engineer" with a 2 year degree (check out the help wanted adds and you'll find tons of this). And when a system doesn't work as planned, they're stymied. Then they have to backtrack or call in folks who can fix it, doubling or trebling the cost. A few years ago, I was termed a "liberal." Now I'm considered right wing. Why? I'm retired military so I must be some right wing nut. Those that are being called liberals are so far from the middle (Pelosi and crew), they're in a whole nother world. Oh, by the way, they have the power. I'm so sick and tired of "big corporations and banks are bad." Bull. They happen to make a lot of the useless crap we buy. They employ tons of people. Now those folks are out of a job. Screw that. I'm just sick and tired of the animosity caused by this divergence from the middle. Folks are toooooooo far to the right and left and the rest of us are stuck with scary policies. There is no balance. It would be the same with the Limbaugh crowd. Just another screaming fringe telling us the other side is evil whilst raping the rest of us. Frank "the Mad Middle" Reid and oh by the way, that friggen editorial was nothing but a bunch of hand wringing and whining. Where are the Dem's that want to stand up and say "enough's enough?" you're a moderate?? you've never been moderate in anything i've seen you do. g just so i'll know your frame of reference, wtf is a liberal, or lefty, or whatever the pejorative is for a democrat, a moderate, a conservative, right wing, etc.? i think rush and beck are nuts...does that mean i'm a lefty, liberal, or moderate? i also think pelosi and reid are more "moderate" than other congressional democrats. so...um...your response to krugman's "whining", is that an opinion that Obama is too "left", or too "muslim", or too "black"? :) big, big, grin...just to make sure you know jest is afoot frankly (heh, that's ancipital), i think the guy is too "middle"... but i reckon he thinks like you. g so frank...how about we cut back on the military? that's the best/quickest way to get the budget/economy in better shape, no? military folks, like black folks, white folks, brown folks, tan folks, atheist folks, christian folks, big business/bank folks, small business folks, muslim folks, and other sorts of folks (name your own category) have opinions worthy of consideration (...except the ditto-head lemmings or non-thinkers of course, which cuts out a huge swath, imo). the conversation is so polarized and partisan...more than i've noticed in my life...we are simply stalled and ****ed. ...and that's what some want just to win an election. to hell with them, and those who support them. what would you have obama do? jeff (big corporations and big banks are bad, bad, bad...too many rats in the cage is always a problem...in every scenario. yeah...government too. just finished some townes van zandt music, now listening to taj mahal... good stuff) |
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On 8/30/2010 7:21 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-30 18:04:53 -0400, jeff said: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...e&ref=homepage Big word at the top of the page: "OPINION" They're just like assholes; we all have one. Dave (surprised at my brother Jeff) d;o) hell dave, why surprised? i'm well known as an obama socialist....i wasn't born here, so i might even be a muslim englishman too. west runton was infested with "foreigners" of questionable birthright in 1950. probably a muslim stork that dropped me. explains my... well, i'm sure someone can devise an explanation of something, that's really nothing, but will be believed by those who want to "take back" america...way back. but again... "where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, **leaders** who will stand up and say that ***some partisans*** are going too far?" jeff (admittedly, and mercifully, one glass of wine over the line. music has stopped...) |
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On Aug 30, 5:04*pm, jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&.... Well, any surprises among the responses thus far? :) giles |
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On 2010-08-30 20:49:04 -0400, Giles said:
On Aug 30, 5:04*pm, jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me& ... Well, any surprises among the responses thus far? :) giles Good troll my man miller. Eh? Giddy up..... |
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On Aug 30, 8:55*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-30 20:49:04 -0400, Giles said: On Aug 30, 5:04*pm, jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me& ... Well, any surprises among the responses thus far? * * *:) giles Good troll my man miller. *Eh? Giddy up..... Moron. g. |
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On 2010-08-30 20:34:51 -0400, jeff said:
On 8/30/2010 7:21 PM, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-30 18:04:53 -0400, jeff said: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...e&ref=homepage Big word at the top of the page: "OPINION" They're just like assholes; we all have one. Dave (surprised at my brother Jeff) d;o) hell dave, why surprised? i'm well known as an obama socialist....i wasn't born here, so i might even be a muslim englishman too. west runton was infested with "foreigners" of questionable birthright in 1950. probably a muslim stork that dropped me. explains my... well, i'm sure someone can devise an explanation of something, that's really nothing, but will be believed by those who want to "take back" america...way back. but again... "where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, **leaders** who will stand up and say that ***some partisans*** are going too far?" jeff (admittedly, and mercifully, one glass of wine over the line. music has stopped...) Partisans? Going too far? Just look at how divided this country is, Jeff. This president has spent more money in the past two years than all the money spent on Iraq war. He is bankrupting us with his socialist whackyness. Beck (and I am not a follower of him nor of Limbaugh) just gathered over 300,000 people on the grounds between the Lincoln and Washington monuments. Three hundred k is a conservative estimation. They weren't right wing whackos either. They were from every part of our society. People are scared, Jeff. They were blacks, whites, Jews, Orthodox Greeks, Catholics, Prostestants, *Americans*, and they are scared at the direction our country is headed. No man, never mind some talk jock, has ever had so many diverse people gathered for a rally in DC, or anywhere else. Doncha think there might be something to it? Obama has not yet prosecuted the people that we have in custody who were the planners of 9/11. I doubt he will. He has now dropped the charged against the guy responsible for the U.S.S. Cole attack that killed several sailors. He does nothing about the economy, jobs, the illegal aliens, closing the borders, etc, and then he takes credit for ending the war in Iraq. He had best give Bush and Petreius credit for the "surge", because *that* is what won the war. And he should admit that he voted wrong when he voted against it. His administration is rife with socialists and self admitted communists. The man's administration is one giant cluster ****. The blacks and Puerto Ricans at the food pantry shake their heads when you mention his name. THEY are ****ed at him for doing nothing except talk, talk, talk, and taking multiple vacations they can only dream of. And the newly unemployed are down right outraged at him. I see it every Tues and Thursday. If the election was today, he just might not carry the black vote. They are ****ed. Most of America is ****ed. Home owners are seeing their property decline in value, and have or know someone who is unemployed with no hopes of getting a job. New taxes for all is just around the corner. Yet Obama does **** that favors his precious unions but does nothing for the small business guy. I would go carless before I bought an American made piece of **** built by corupt union labor. And everyone at Beck's rally is ****ed. It wasn't a political rally - there were no signs and no one was arrested. I saw lots of American flags, however. Those people would probably be arrested if they were elsewhere with those flags. No prayers in school. No pledge of allegiance. No creche. No "Merry Christmas." We are now a society that lives in fear of offending someone. Boston schools have to teach in so many different languages that it is one of the things breaking the system. When I went to school everyone spoke English, including the Italians, Germans, Puerto Ricans, Poles, and yeah, us French frogs. You offended no one, including Jews, when you said "Merry Christmas." Hell, we don't even give the winners of Little League baseball a trophy anymore for fear of upsetting all the kids that lost. What the hell are we teaching them? Don't you think out of control liberalism should take some of the blame for this? So, what do you think of Bebe Gilberto? Have you heard her sing? She's better than her beautiful mom, in my opinion. Dave (****ed in Massachusetts, listening to Bebe and sipping a see-through while Jo packs for Georgia) |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:04:53 -0400, jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...e&ref=homepage Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...wpisrc=nl_most Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ....or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R |
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On Aug 30, 7:54*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-30 20:34:51 -0400, jeff said: On 8/30/2010 7:21 PM, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-30 18:04:53 -0400, jeff said: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&... Big word at the top of the page: "OPINION" They're just like assholes; we all have one. Dave (surprised at my brother Jeff) d;o) hell dave, why surprised? *i'm well known as an obama socialist....i wasn't born here, so i might even be a muslim englishman too. west runton was infested with "foreigners" of questionable birthright in 1950. probably a muslim stork that dropped me. explains my... *well, i'm sure someone can devise an explanation of something, that's really nothing, but will be believed by those who want to "take back" america...way back. but again... "where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, **leaders** who will stand up and say that ***some partisans*** are going too far?" jeff (admittedly, and mercifully, one glass of wine over the line. music has stopped...) Partisans? *Going too far? *Just look at how divided this country is, Jeff. *This president has spent more money in the past two years than all the money spent on Iraq war. *He is bankrupting us with his socialist whackyness. *Beck (and I am not a follower of him nor of Limbaugh) just gathered over 300,000 people on the grounds between the Lincoln and Washington monuments. *Three hundred k is a conservative estimation. *They weren't right wing whackos either. *They were from every part of our society. *People are scared, Jeff. *They were blacks, whites, Jews, Orthodox Greeks, Catholics, Prostestants, *Americans*, and they are scared at the direction our country is headed. *No man, never mind some talk jock, has ever had so many diverse people gathered for a rally in DC, or anywhere else. *Doncha think there might be something to it? Obama has not yet prosecuted the people that we have in custody who were the planners of 9/11. *I doubt he will. *He has now dropped the charged against the guy responsible for the U.S.S. Cole attack that killed several sailors. *He does nothing about the economy, jobs, the illegal aliens, closing the borders, etc, and then he takes credit for ending the war in Iraq. *He had best give Bush and Petreius credit for the "surge", because *that* is what won the war. *And he should admit that he voted wrong when he voted against it. His administration is rife with socialists and self admitted communists. *The man's administration is one giant cluster ****. The blacks and Puerto Ricans at the food pantry shake their heads when you mention his name. *THEY are ****ed at him for doing nothing except talk, talk, talk, and taking multiple vacations they can only dream of. *And the newly unemployed are down right outraged at him. *I see it every Tues and Thursday. *If the election was today, he just might not carry the black vote. They are ****ed. Most of America is ****ed. *Home owners are seeing their property decline in value, and have or know someone who is unemployed with no hopes of getting a job. *New taxes for all is just around the corner. * Yet Obama does **** that favors his precious unions but does nothing for the small business guy. *I would go carless before I bought an American made piece of **** built by corupt union labor. And everyone at Beck's rally is ****ed. *It wasn't a political rally - there were no signs and no one was arrested. *I saw lots of American flags, however. *Those people would probably be arrested if they were elsewhere with those flags. *No prayers in school. *No pledge of allegiance. *No creche. *No "Merry Christmas." *We are now a society that lives in fear of offending someone. *Boston schools have to teach in so many different languages that it is one of the things breaking the system. *When I went to school everyone spoke English, including the Italians, Germans, Puerto Ricans, Poles, and yeah, us French frogs. *You offended no one, including Jews, when you said "Merry Christmas." * Hell, we don't even give the winners of Little League baseball a trophy anymore for fear of upsetting all the kids that lost. *What the hell are we teaching them? Don't you think out of control liberalism should take some of the blame for this? So, what do you think of Bebe Gilberto? *Have you heard her sing? * She's better than her beautiful mom, in my opinion. Dave (****ed in Massachusetts, listening to Bebe and sipping a see-through while Jo packs for Georgia)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow. That was a full pant load. The most hilarious line was . . . "... Beck (and I am not a follower of him nor of Limbaugh) just gathered over 300,000 people on the grounds between the Lincoln and Washington monuments." Your indignation just doesn't ring true considering you been repeating verbatim sometimes the same Beck/Limbaugh horse**** since before the Obama was even sworn in. Your prescience in this matter stretches credulity. And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food? If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America so much? No offence. Dave Beck is the Love Child of Ambassadress Kirkpatrick and Gina Lollobrigida Mussolini |
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wrote in message ... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R essentially beat me to the point. We've cultivated a nation of fools, completely unaware of the realities of both the economy and politics, and now we reap what has been sown. Tom |
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On Aug 31, 5:23*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message ... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R essentially beat me to the point. We've cultivated a nation of fools, completely unaware of the realities of both the economy and politics, and now we reap what has been sown. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom Instant karma's gonna get you.... We may not be the most edumacated country on earth, but we certainly are the most entertained. --riverman |
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On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said:
And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food? If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America so much? No offence. What the hell are you talking about, Dave? I withhold food from no one at the pantry. I talk with them when they get their food. I see them once a month and get to know them over a period of time. Even the ones who can not speak English very well. They expected more from Obama - he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. And, the new ones we see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for food/help are really ****ed at him. If it's tough for those that are working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially those who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50. I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. I am not a fan of his. I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. He's a talk jock. Why are you so afraid of him? He has no power. Fascist Kraut? I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and my government. Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? No offence. Really. Dave |
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wrote:
jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...e&ref=homepage Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...wpisrc=nl_most Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works. As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots. That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the neighborhood. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: wrote: jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&... Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works. As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots. That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the neighborhood. -- Ken Fortenberry He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment. The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration and was a speech writer for Mondale. I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well documented, as is his support and association with the American branch of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s. David |
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On Aug 31, 1:46*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&... Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201.... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works. As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots. That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the neighborhood. -- Ken Fortenberry He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment. The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration and was a speech writer for Mondale. I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well documented, as is his support and association with the American branch of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s. ....not to mention that school for mutant children he operates outside Philly...... oz |
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On Aug 31, 3:28*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said: And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food? If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America so much? No offence. What the hell are you talking about, Dave? *I withhold food from no one at the pantry. *I talk with them when they get their food. *I see them once a month and get to know them over a period of time. *Even the ones who can not speak English very well. *They expected more from Obama - he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. *And, the new ones we see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for food/help are really ****ed at him. *If it's tough for those that are working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially those who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50. I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. *I am not a fan of his. * I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. *He's a talk jock. *Why are you so afraid of him? *He has no power. Fascist Kraut? *I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and my government. Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? *No offence. *Really. Dave Uha huh. Why I just betcha that all those unemployed are just ****y ****y off-ed at that Obama fellow. Right you are right you are David. And, without any egging on by you in your monthly walk ons they are just bursting with irritation at that Obama fellow. And I bet they don't say **** about your car fetish, why they must know just how deserving they are of your scorn for American vehicles and American workers. Bull****. And who do you think you are kidding about where you get the lines you copy out? Really. Like some folks who come from humble beginnings, you need somehow to justify your success and really your luck, that your hard work and good fortune paid off. Must be some reason right? Some attribute what they cannot understand via linear thinking. Some attribute success to religion, or to some slickster preacher. Some to wonder pills or bizarre diet. Some just use the good ole American approach and blame it on the Black guy. What your team has going for it right now is AMNESIA. Period. All thru the corruption, the stealing, the wasting of patriotic young Americans you towed the party line. You would have made a loyal Bolshevik proud, just from some of the bizarre double speak you used to explain away the absolute mess and betrayal of this country orchestrated by the Rightards. Now you are right there with the other hecklers. Shame on you. Dave |
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On Aug 31, 11:53*am, MajorOz wrote:
On Aug 31, 1:46*pm, DaveS wrote: On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&... Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works. As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots. That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the neighborhood. -- Ken Fortenberry He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment. The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration and was a speech writer for Mondale. I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well documented, as is his support and association with the American branch of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s. ...not to mention that school for mutant children he operates outside Philly...... oz- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are welcome to fact check what Ive posted. Dave |
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On 2010-08-31 15:08:44 -0400, DaveS said:
On Aug 31, 3:28*am, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said: And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food? If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America so much? No offence. What the hell are you talking about, Dave? *I withhold food from no one at the pantry. *I talk with them when they get their food. *I see the m once a month and get to know them over a period of time. *Even the ones who can not speak English very well. *They expected more from Obama - he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. *And, the new ones we see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for food/help are really ****ed at him. *If it's tough for those that are working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially those who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50. I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. *I am not a fan of his. * I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. *He's a talk jock. *Why are you so afraid of him? *He has no power. Fascist Kraut? *I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and my gov ernment. Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? *No offence. *Really. Dave Uha huh. Why I just betcha that all those unemployed are just ****y ****y off-ed at that Obama fellow. They are ****ed at their country. They have fallen through the crack through no fault of their own. They *were* the working poor. Now they are the unemployed poor and the fool in DC has done nothing for them. Now, if they were members of the AFL/CIO or SEIU or Acorn, they would be happy. But, they aren't. They're just hard working parents like my parents were and for the first time in their life they are without work. They got raises through the merit system, not by corruption. Obama's name never comes into the conversation. Sit in your palace Dave, and fiddle. We served 53 families today, well over 150 people, with enough food for a week. We have very little meat for them - only what is donated by the local markets. FDA supplies have been drastically cut. We have three empty freezers and two filled with FDA blueberries. Blueberries! Our two stand-up double fridges are filled with FDA cheese and deli items donated by the local markets. Blueberries and cheese. That's it from you precious fool in the WH. We have never seen such hard times. We have plenty of can goods/cereal that we buy at a great discount, and fruits/veggies left over from supermarkets, but very little federal support. Why, I wonder. Could it be that a lot of our money has gone to the unions and SEIU? Didn't we just spend a trillion bucks to "stimulate" the economy? Tell ya what, Dave - there are few in Lowell, Mass who are "stimulated." Right you are right you are David. And, without any egging on by you in your monthly walk ons they are just bursting with irritation at that Obama fellow. Obama's name doesnt come into the conversation. They are ****ed at what this country has become, and it sure as hell isn't their fauls. And I bet they don't say **** about your car fetish, why they must know just how deserving they are of your scorn for American vehicles and American workers. Yeah, sure. I've owned the same care for the past 8 years. I've never had an American car last *me* more than 3 years. You do the math. I admit - I like fast cars and I find the time to take my car at least once a month to the track. That's a fetish? ****, what is my fly fishing? Bull****. And who do you think you are kidding about where you get the lines you copy out? Really. Like some folks who come from humble beginnings, you need somehow to justify your success and really your luck, that your hard work and good fortune paid off. Must be some reason right? Some attribute what they cannot understand via linear thinking. Some attribute success to religion, or to some slickster preacher. Some to wonder pills or bizarre diet. Some just use the good ole American approach and blame it on the Black guy. Huh? My success is through hard work and the idea planted by my parents to save and prepare for later in life. I was fortunate to be employed full time since highschool until my retirements (3 of them). I never needed or expected a hand out and no one offered me one. I am now reaping the benefits of that planning, all that saving, and dare I say extra jobs while I was in the Navy. So, **** you very much if I am successful. What your team has going for it right now is AMNESIA. Period. All thru the corruption, the stealing, the wasting of patriotic young Americans you towed the party line. What the hell is going on NOW? Are you blind? You can't see or hear? The past two years will go down in history as the "spend like a drunken sailor" period. You would have made a loyal Bolshevik proud, just from some of the bizarre double speak you used to explain away the absolute mess and betrayal of this country orchestrated by the Rightards. Now you are right there with the other hecklers. I am sure the Republicans have done their fare share of screwing up. That is a given. No argument from me about that. Everyone is DC is corrupt. THAT is what Beck's rally was about. He is trying to restore faith, hope, and charity (love) in this society. Listen to the hate speech from commentators on the "major" networks, and then listen to what went on during his rally. There was a lot of prayer, but no hate that I heard. They were called vile names, but did not reply. DR. MLK's neice was there praising what they were trying to do. I guess it just went over your head, what with it being so big, can you imagine the power involved. Shame on you. No, David, shame on you for not seeing the huckster your savior in the White House is. Shame on you for voting for him when he had no credentials for POTUS. Shame on your and all other progressives for allowing Nancy and Harry to perform a shotgun wedding on healthcare when more than 60% of the population did not want what they were selling, or should I say stealing? Shame on you for allowing them to spend more in 18 months than all the money EVER spent my government. Shame on you for not saying anything about Chris Dodd and Barney Frank's involvement with Fannie and Freddy. Shame on you for sitting in your ivory tower fiddling and doing nothing. And shame on ALL of us for letting it continue. Dave |
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In what was one of the most depressing posts I've read here in all my years:
"Frank Reid © 2010" wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 5:04 pm, jeff wrote: We have a resurgence of the power of the labor unions, such as SEIU, with government support. I had never heard of either ACORN or SEIU till 3 years ago and now they have incredible power with the requisite abuse. while I'd agree that sometimes labor unions overplay their representation, I have trouble seeing the current situation as any sort of resurgence. The fact that YOU haven't heard of Service Employees International, or ACORN(not a union whatsoever) doesn't mean that they haven't been out there for years, doing a solid job of representing workers who were for years vastly underpaid, and trying to provide liveable housing for the poor. The fact that you suddenly DID hear of them in the past 3 years is directly attributed to ideological smear campaigns targetting both. The rise in government workers is another thing that is scaring me. More and more folks in the government and we all know that the most costly thing in any business is the manpower. Who's going to pay for this? This has to be the most bizarre part of your entire post, Frank. What, exactly do you think is the source of pay for your employer? You might describe it as 'private sector', but you represent quite possibly the most exhorbitant, runaway expense our government faces: 'Private contractors' for the defense and National security sector. Eisenhower warned the nation in the 50s about a military/industrial complex and the dangers thereof, yet we, as a nation, chose to ignore him. Now we have 1/2 of the defense budget which isn't even subject to Congressional oversight, nor any public review of the numbers. This equates to 1/4 of the entire Federal budget. I read a treatise a few months back about the rise of secrecy, security and related expenditures since the Manhatten Project, with the general premise that the exponential rise in the complexity and cost of what amounts to a shadow government will eventually bankrupt the US. You might do well to focus there, my friend, if the rise in the costs of government frightens you. Or, as Walt Kelly once put it, "we have met the enemy and he is us". A few years ago, I was termed a "liberal." Now I'm considered right wing. Why? I'm retired military so I must be some right wing nut. in all the years I've known you, such thoughts never crossed my mind.... until this morning. I'm so sick and tired of "big corporations and banks are bad." Bull. They happen to make a lot of the useless crap we buy. They employ tons of people. increasingly, people in far off lands, but you do have a point, I think.... Bottom line is this: we've gotten so far off the tracks over the past 3 decades that NO ONE is going to fix it fast, if at all. The point you make at the end about squabbling extremes is well taken. It is just that squabbling that allows the control to rest with the exact same folks that have sort of controlled things for, say, the past couple of centuries, to keep raking it in at the expense of most of the rest of the nation. Meanwhile the nation keeps polarizing, but I see that in two different fashions. Sure, the political polarization is obvious, but look at the economic trends of the past 30 or more years. A small percentage of folks is pulling further and further away from the rest. Eventually, you end up with an oligarchy, or worse. With pressure from some of those toward the top end for less government and less taxation, say goodbye to infrastructure, say goodbye to social safety nets and minimal medical assistance to all. It'll be just like the good old days, except with even less domestic employment, as we can build the sweatshops elsewhere and those collecting the dividends will be just as well off as ever. Tom |
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On 2010-08-31 14:46:05 -0400, DaveS said:
On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders w ho will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere t o be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...tml?_r=1&src=m e&... Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, B ob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works. As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots. That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the neighborhood. -- Ken Fortenberry He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment. The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration and was a speech writer for Mondale. I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well documented, as is his support and association with the American branch of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s. David Oh, my gawd. The sky is falling. The sky is falling. |
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On 2010-08-31 14:53:10 -0400, MajorOz said:
On Aug 31, 1:46*pm, DaveS wrote: On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op....html?_r=1&src =me&... Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201. .. Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works. As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots. That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the neighborhood. -- Ken Fortenberry He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment. The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration and was a speech writer for Mondale. I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well documented, as is his support and association with the American branch of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s. ...not to mention that school for mutant children he operates outside Philly...... oz snort, chortle, pfttttttt all over my keyboard. Dave |
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"--riverman" wrote in message ... We may not be the most edumacated country on earth, but we certainly are the most entertained. --riverman sort of my point, and it's one I have raised in political talks to various groups for years now. The whole principle of governance laid out for this nation, and elaborated upon frequently by Jefferson was this: A representative republic depends on the involvement of an informed populace with some level of education. We now live in a nation where vastly more of the eligible electorate can identify the American Idol finalists than the Justices of the Supreme Court. Where most folks know who Paris Hilton is, but not who their US Representative is. A nation where an astounding 20% think the sitting President is a practicing Muslim and 10% think he isn't even a legal citizen. Is it any wonder that we have the political representation we do? All in all, I shudder when I give thought to the path this country is headed down. It seems clear that we are heading to the oblivion of a fallen empire, and pretty damned quickly. Can it turn around? Who knows? But, the issue Jeff cites in the original post in this thread, as stated by Krugman, should have an obvious response. No, no one is going to step forward, because so few will care or take notice that it isn't worth the bother to try. Tom |
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:43:04 -0400, jeff wrote:
On 8/31/2010 12:56 AM, wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:04:53 -0400, wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...e&ref=homepage Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...wpisrc=nl_most Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R ck's op/ed column is a regular in my eastern nc papers, so i've read that one. he's an oddity to me. a brilliant guy, once hard to peg, but now, like many, too predictable. he generally makes a reasoned argument, though always from the "conservative", sometimes neo, point of view that never allows anything other than an adversarial argument against anything and all things obama. in contrast, if read to its end, krugman's piece is critical of obama...as have been other of his writings. still, i think ck and many others are usually off the mark about obama, but strategically and for election and/or partisan purposes use him as the easy focus for their larger debate or proselytizing. this ck piece isn't about the idiots like beck and the foxwits who foment their particular lunacy to our fahrenheit 451 population, and it doesn't answer the question posed, does it? but then, you didn't intend it to serve that purpose did you? since the ck piece doesn't answer my question...nor does your question, though i get the point. again... "And where, in all of this, are the **responsible Republicans**, **leaders** who will stand up and say that **some partisans** are going too far?" Name these "partisans" and define "too far." I'm not saying I agree with whoever all you and Krugman have in mind, nor do I say that I disagree with them, but since Krugman only mentions, specifically, Limbaugh, the Kochs, and Steve Schwarzman (but fails to mention Soros, etc. on "the Left"), and then, only a single phrase uttered by Limbaugh and a paraphrasing of a single phrase by Schwarzman, it's kinda hard to pinpoint just who you and he want these, "**leaders**" (again, unnamed, save for Bush) to chastise (or muzzle). I did notice in both pieces that Krugman and Krauthammer extensively use all-inclusive and ill-defined plurals (the good ol' "we" and "they") in their accusations. The problem, as I see it, is that neither "liberalism" or "conservatism" have failed, but rather, the "labels" have been appropriated by many who don't have a clue (and worse, a care) of what _any_ of it actually means. And this includes those who claim to be "liberals" using "conservative" as a slur and vice-versa. Both classical liberalism and "modern" liberalism have some good ideas as well as some great _ideals_, that, unfortunately, simply won't work in current society, and the same is true of conservatism. Unfortunately, it appears that the vast majority of the squeakiest wheels claiming title to one and condescendingly slurring with the other have no clue or care about such. These folks have simply used, ahem, "talking points" that they don't truly understand, about issues they don't really care, to further their own _personal_ desires for what they perceive as "power," "fame," personal "wealth," reelection for reelection's sake, etc. The US has created a society in which a large portion of the population, on all levels, presumes itself somehow entitled, from the multi-generational welfare "clients" to the Paris Hiltons and Lindsay Lohans who presume themselves entitled to act in any fashion to the Obamas, Limbaughs, Axelrods, Becks, etc., who presume that they are somehow, for some unexplained reason, _entitled_ to be not only _correct_ in their opinions at all times, but have the right to dictate what's correct for others. One need look no further than the housing market - the idea that _everyone_ is _entitled_ to _owning_ a home is ridiculous, and the idea that _anyone_ is _entitled_ to granite counters, high-end cabinets, 3 1/2 bathrooms, and a 2-car garage (much less 2 cars) is totally preposterous. Hell, in many cities in the US, buying and "fixing up" what were originally "starter homes" is/was a popular fad among relatively affluent, generally younger, people. Many millionaires live in (comparatively) small urban apartments. Yet, somehow, many of those with $30-40K yearly incomes have come to believe they are _entitled_ to 3,000-plus SF (and larger) homes with all sorts of "upgrades." Until the wholesale "entitlement" problem (and no, I do not mean things like milk for kids or food and shelter for those who legitimately cannot provide, all or in part, for themselves) is addressed, throwing more and more money into the pit will not ever fill it up because it too many folks are shoveling just as fast as they ****ing can. TC, R jeff |
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On Aug 31, 4:26*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-31 15:08:44 -0400, DaveS said: On Aug 31, 3:28*am, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said: And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food? If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America so much? No offence. What the hell are you talking about, Dave? *I withhold food from no one at the pantry. *I talk with them when they get their food. *I see the m once a month and get to know them over a period of time. *Even the ones who can not speak English very well. *They expected more from Obama - he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. *And, the new ones we see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for food/help are really ****ed at him. *If it's tough for those that are working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially those who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50. I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. *I am not a fan of his.. * I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. *He's a talk jock. *Why are you so afraid of him? *He has no power. Fascist Kraut? *I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and my gov ernment. Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? *No offence. *Really. Dave Uha huh. Why I just betcha that all those unemployed are just ****y ****y off-ed at that Obama fellow. They are ****ed at their country. *They have fallen through the crack through no fault of their own. *They *were* the working poor. *Now they are the unemployed poor and the fool in DC has done nothing for them. * Now, if they were members of the AFL/CIO or SEIU or Acorn, they would be happy. *But, they aren't. *They're just hard working parents like my parents were and for the first time in their life they are without work. *They got raises through the merit system, not by corruption. Obama's name never comes into the conversation. *Sit in your palace Dave, and fiddle. *We served 53 families today, well over 150 people, with enough food for a week. *We have very little meat for them - only what is donated by the local markets. *FDA supplies have been drastically cut. *We have three empty freezers and two filled with FDA blueberries. *Blueberries! *Our two stand-up double fridges are filled with FDA cheese and deli items donated by the local markets. * Blueberries and cheese. That's it from you precious fool in the WH. We have never seen such hard times. *We have plenty of can goods/cereal that we buy at a great discount, and fruits/veggies left over from supermarkets, but very little federal support. *Why, I wonder. *Could it be that a lot of our money has gone to the unions and SEIU? *Didn't we just spend a trillion bucks to "stimulate" the economy? *Tell ya what, Dave - there are few in Lowell, Mass who are "stimulated." Right you are right you are David. And, without any egging on by you in your monthly walk ons they are just bursting with irritation at that Obama fellow. Obama's name doesnt come into the conversation. *They are ****ed at what this country has become, and it sure as hell isn't their fauls. *And I bet they don't say **** about your car fetish, why they must know just how deserving they are of your scorn for American vehicles and American workers. Yeah, sure. *I've owned the same care for the past 8 years. *I've never had an American car last *me* more than 3 years. *You do the math. *I admit - I like fast cars and I find the time to take my car at least once a month to the track. *That's a fetish? *****, what is my fly fishing? *Bull****. And who do you think you are kidding about where you get the lines you copy out? Really. Like some folks who come from humble beginnings, you need somehow to justify your success and really your luck, that your hard work and good fortune paid off. Must be some reason right? Some attribute what they cannot understand via linear thinking. Some attribute success to religion, or to some slickster preacher. Some to wonder pills or bizarre diet. Some just use the good ole American approach and blame it on the Black guy. Huh? *My success is through hard work and the idea planted by my parents to save and prepare for later in life. *I was fortunate to be employed full time since highschool until my retirements (3 of them). * I never needed or expected a hand out and no one offered me one. *I am now reaping the benefits of that planning, all that saving, and dare I say extra jobs while I was in the Navy. *So, **** you very much if I am successful. What your team has going for it right now is AMNESIA. Period. All thru the corruption, the stealing, the wasting of patriotic young Americans you towed the party line. What the hell is going on NOW? *Are you blind? *You can't see or hear? * The past two years will go down in history as the "spend like a drunken sailor" period. You would have made a loyal Bolshevik proud, just from some of the bizarre double speak you used to explain away the absolute mess and betrayal of this country orchestrated by the Rightards. Now you are right there with the other hecklers. I am sure the Republicans have done their fare share of screwing up. * That is a given. *No argument from me about that. *Everyone is DC is corrupt. *THAT is what Beck's rally was about. *He is trying to restore faith, hope, and charity (love) in this society. *Listen to the hate speech from commentators on the "major" networks, and then listen to what went on during his rally. *There was a lot of prayer, but no hate that I heard. *They were called vile names, but did not reply. *DR. MLK's neice was there praising what they were trying to do. *I guess it just went over your head, what with it being so big, can you imagine the power involved. Shame on you. No, David, shame on you for not seeing the huckster your savior in the White House is. *Shame on you for voting for him when he had no credentials for POTUS. *Shame on your and all other progressives for allowing Nancy and Harry to perform a shotgun wedding on healthcare when more than 60% of the population did not want what they were selling, or should I say stealing? *Shame on you for allowing them to spend more in 18 months than all the money EVER spent my government. * Shame on you for not saying anything about Chris Dodd and Barney Frank's involvement with Fannie and Freddy. Shame on you for sitting in your ivory tower fiddling and doing nothing. *And shame on ALL of us for letting it continue. Dave Liar. Imbecile. Pig. g. |
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On Aug 31, 4:23*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message ... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R essentially beat me to the point. We've cultivated a nation of fools, well, fools and lickspittles. g. |
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On Aug 31, 8:02*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:43:04 -0400, jeff wrote: On 8/31/2010 12:56 AM, wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:04:53 -0400, *wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&... Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201.... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R ck's op/ed column is a regular in my eastern nc papers, so i've read that one. he's an oddity to me. a brilliant guy, once hard to peg, but now, like many, too predictable. he generally makes a reasoned argument, though always from the "conservative", sometimes neo, point of view that never allows anything other than an adversarial argument against anything and all things obama. in contrast, if read to its end, krugman's piece is critical of obama...as have been other of his writings. still, i think ck and many others are usually off the mark about obama, but strategically and for election and/or partisan purposes use him as the easy focus for their larger debate or proselytizing. this ck piece isn't about the idiots like beck and the foxwits who foment their particular lunacy to our fahrenheit 451 population, and it doesn't answer the question posed, does it? *but then, you didn't intend it to serve that purpose did you? since the ck piece doesn't answer my question...nor does your question, though i get the point. *again... "And where, in all of this, are the **responsible Republicans**, **leaders** who will stand up and say that **some partisans** are going too far?" Name these "partisans" and define "too far." *I'm not saying I agree with whoever all you and Krugman have in mind, nor do I say that I disagree with them, but since Krugman only mentions, specifically, Limbaugh, the Kochs, and Steve Schwarzman (but fails to mention Soros, etc. on "the Left"), and then, only a single phrase uttered by Limbaugh and a paraphrasing of a single phrase by Schwarzman, it's kinda hard to pinpoint just who you and he want these, "**leaders**" (again, unnamed, save for Bush) to chastise (or muzzle). *I did notice in both pieces that Krugman and Krauthammer extensively use all-inclusive and ill-defined plurals (the good ol' "we" and "they") in their accusations. The problem, as I see it, is that neither "liberalism" or "conservatism" have failed, but rather, the "labels" have been appropriated by many who don't have a clue (and worse, a care) of what _any_ of it actually means. *And this includes those who claim to be "liberals" using "conservative" as a slur and vice-versa. Both classical liberalism and "modern" liberalism have some good ideas as well as some great _ideals_, that, unfortunately, simply won't work in current society, and the same is true of conservatism. *Unfortunately, it appears that the vast majority of the squeakiest wheels claiming title to one and condescendingly slurring with the other have no clue or care about such. These folks have simply used, ahem, "talking points" that they don't truly understand, about issues they don't really care, to further their own _personal_ desires for what they perceive as "power," "fame," personal "wealth," reelection for reelection's sake, etc. *The US has created a society in which a large portion of the population, on all levels, presumes itself somehow entitled, from the multi-generational welfare "clients" to the Paris Hiltons and Lindsay Lohans who presume themselves entitled to act in any fashion to the Obamas, Limbaughs, Axelrods, Becks, etc., who presume that they are somehow, for some unexplained reason, _entitled_ to be not only _correct_ in their opinions at all times, but have the right to dictate what's correct for others. One need look no further than the housing market - the idea that _everyone_ is _entitled_ to _owning_ a home is ridiculous, and the idea that _anyone_ is _entitled_ to granite counters, high-end cabinets, 3 1/2 bathrooms, and a 2-car garage (much less 2 cars) is totally preposterous. *Hell, in many cities in the US, buying and "fixing up" what were originally "starter homes" is/was a popular fad among relatively affluent, generally younger, people. *Many millionaires live in (comparatively) small urban apartments. *Yet, somehow, many of those with $30-40K yearly incomes have come to believe they are _entitled_ to 3,000-plus SF (and larger) homes with all sorts of "upgrades." * Until the wholesale "entitlement" problem (and no, I do not mean things like milk for kids or food and shelter for those who legitimately cannot provide, all or in part, for themselves) is addressed, throwing more and more money into the pit will not ever fill it up because it too many folks are shoveling just as fast as they ****ing can. TC, R Horse****. Idiot. g. |
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On 2010-08-31 21:30:34 -0400, Giles said:
On Aug 31, 4:26*pm, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 15:08:44 -0400, DaveS said: On Aug 31, 3:28*am, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said: And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food ? If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America so much? No offence. What the hell are you talking about, Dave? *I withhold food from no one at the pantry. *I talk with them when they get their food. *I see the m once a month and get to know them over a period of time. *Even the o nes who can not speak English very well. *They expected more from Obama - he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. *And, the new ones w e see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for food/help are really ****ed at him. *If it's tough for those that ar e working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially those who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50. I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. *I am not a fan of his . * I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. *He' s a talk jock. *Why are you so afraid of him? *He has no power. Fascist Kraut? *I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and my gov ernment. Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? *No offence. *Really. Dave Uha huh. Why I just betcha that all those unemployed are just ****y ****y off-ed at that Obama fellow. They are ****ed at their country. *They have fallen through the crack through no fault of their own. *They *were* the working poor. *Now th ey are the unemployed poor and the fool in DC has done nothing for them. * Now, if they were members of the AFL/CIO or SEIU or Acorn, they would be happy. *But, they aren't. *They're just hard working parents like my parents were and for the first time in their life they are without work. *They got raises through the merit system, not by corruption. Obama's name never comes into the conversation. *Sit in your palace Dave, and fiddle. *We served 53 families today, well over 150 people, with enough food for a week. *We have very little meat for them - only what is donated by the local markets. *FDA supplies have been drastically cut. *We have three empty freezers and two filled with FDA blueberries. *Blueberries! *Our two stand-up double fridges are fille d with FDA cheese and deli items donated by the local markets. * Blueberries and cheese. That's it from you precious fool in the WH. We have never seen such hard times. *We have plenty of can goods/cereal that we buy at a great discount, and fruits/veggies left over from supermarkets, but very little federal support. *Why, I wonder. *Could it be that a lot of our money has gone to the unions and SEIU? *Didn't we just spend a trillion bucks to "stimulate" the economy? *Tell ya what, Dave - there are few in Lowell, Mass who are "stimulated." Right you are right you are David. And, without any egging on by you in your monthly walk ons they are just bursting with irritation at that Obama fellow. Obama's name doesnt come into the conversation. *They are ****ed at what this country has become, and it sure as hell isn't their fauls. *And I bet they don't say **** about your car fetish, why they must know just how deserving they are of your scorn for American vehicles and American workers. Yeah, sure. *I've owned the same care for the past 8 years. *I've nev er had an American car last *me* more than 3 years. *You do the math. *I admit - I like fast cars and I find the time to take my car at least once a month to the track. *That's a fetish? *****, what is my fly fishing? *Bull****. And who do you think you are kidding about where you get the lines you copy out? Really. Like some folks who come from humble beginnings, you need somehow to justify your success and really your luck, that your hard work and good fortune paid off. Must be some reason right? Some attribute what they cannot understand via linear thinking. Some attribute success to religion, or to some slickster preacher. Some to wonder pills or bizarre diet. Some just use the good ole American approach and blame it on the Black guy. Huh? *My success is through hard work and the idea planted by my parents to save and prepare for later in life. *I was fortunate to be employed full time since highschool until my retirements (3 of them). * I never needed or expected a hand out and no one offered me one. *I am now reaping the benefits of that planning, all that saving, and dare I say extra jobs while I was in the Navy. *So, **** you very much if I am successful. What your team has going for it right now is AMNESIA. Period. All thru the corruption, the stealing, the wasting of patriotic young Americans you towed the party line. What the hell is going on NOW? *Are you blind? *You can't see or hear ? * The past two years will go down in history as the "spend like a drunken sailor" period. You would have made a loyal Bolshevik proud, just from some of the bizarre double speak you used to explain away the absolute mess and betrayal of this country orchestrated by the Rightards. Now you are right there with the other hecklers. I am sure the Republicans have done their fare share of screwing up. * That is a given. *No argument from me about that. *Everyone is DC is corrupt. *THAT is what Beck's rally was about. *He is trying to resto re faith, hope, and charity (love) in this society. *Listen to the hate speech from commentators on the "major" networks, and then listen to what went on during his rally. *There was a lot of prayer, but no hate that I heard. *They were called vile names, but did not reply. *DR. MLK's neice was there praising what they were trying to do. *I guess it just went over your head, what with it being so big, can you imagine the power involved. Shame on you. No, David, shame on you for not seeing the huckster your savior in the White House is. *Shame on you for voting for him when he had no credentials for POTUS. *Shame on your and all other progressives for allowing Nancy and Harry to perform a shotgun wedding on healthcare when more than 60% of the population did not want what they were selling, or should I say stealing? *Shame on you for allowing them to spend more in 18 months than all the money EVER spent my government. * Shame on you for not saying anything about Chris Dodd and Barney Frank's involvement with Fannie and Freddy. Shame on you for sitting in your ivory tower fiddling and doing nothing. *And shame on ALL of us for letting it continue. Dave Liar. Imbecile. Pig. g. Giddy up, MY one trick pony! I always wanted a pony. Hell, I don't care if he can do only one trick. He's *my* pony. Giddy up. |
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On Aug 31, 8:44*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-31 21:30:34 -0400, Giles said: On Aug 31, 4:26*pm, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 15:08:44 -0400, DaveS said: On Aug 31, 3:28*am, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said: And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food ? If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America so much? No offence. What the hell are you talking about, Dave? *I withhold food from no one at the pantry. *I talk with them when they get their food. *I see the m once a month and get to know them over a period of time. *Even the o nes who can not speak English very well. *They expected more from Obama - he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. *And, the new ones w e see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for food/help are really ****ed at him. *If it's tough for those that ar e working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially those who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50. I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. *I am not a fan of his . * I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. *He' s a talk jock. *Why are you so afraid of him? *He has no power. Fascist Kraut? *I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and my gov ernment. Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? *No offence. *Really. Dave Uha huh. Why I just betcha that all those unemployed are just ****y ****y off-ed at that Obama fellow. They are ****ed at their country. *They have fallen through the crack through no fault of their own. *They *were* the working poor. *Now th ey are the unemployed poor and the fool in DC has done nothing for them. * Now, if they were members of the AFL/CIO or SEIU or Acorn, they would be happy. *But, they aren't. *They're just hard working parents like my parents were and for the first time in their life they are without work. *They got raises through the merit system, not by corruption. Obama's name never comes into the conversation. *Sit in your palace Dave, and fiddle. *We served 53 families today, well over 150 people, with enough food for a week. *We have very little meat for them - only what is donated by the local markets. *FDA supplies have been drastically cut. *We have three empty freezers and two filled with FDA blueberries. *Blueberries! *Our two stand-up double fridges are fille d with FDA cheese and deli items donated by the local markets. * Blueberries and cheese. That's it from you precious fool in the WH. We have never seen such hard times. *We have plenty of can goods/cereal that we buy at a great discount, and fruits/veggies left over from supermarkets, but very little federal support. *Why, I wonder. *Could it be that a lot of our money has gone to the unions and SEIU? *Didn't we just spend a trillion bucks to "stimulate" the economy? *Tell ya what, Dave - there are few in Lowell, Mass who are "stimulated." Right you are right you are David. And, without any egging on by you in your monthly walk ons they are just bursting with irritation at that Obama fellow. Obama's name doesnt come into the conversation. *They are ****ed at what this country has become, and it sure as hell isn't their fauls. *And I bet they don't say **** about your car fetish, why they must know just how deserving they are of your scorn for American vehicles and American workers. Yeah, sure. *I've owned the same care for the past 8 years. *I've nev er had an American car last *me* more than 3 years. *You do the math. *I admit - I like fast cars and I find the time to take my car at least once a month to the track. *That's a fetish? *****, what is my fly fishing? *Bull****. And who do you think you are kidding about where you get the lines you copy out? Really. Like some folks who come from humble beginnings, you need somehow to justify your success and really your luck, that your hard work and good fortune paid off. Must be some reason right? Some attribute what they cannot understand via linear thinking. Some attribute success to religion, or to some slickster preacher. Some to wonder pills or bizarre diet. Some just use the good ole American approach and blame it on the Black guy. Huh? *My success is through hard work and the idea planted by my parents to save and prepare for later in life. *I was fortunate to be employed full time since highschool until my retirements (3 of them). * I never needed or expected a hand out and no one offered me one. *I am now reaping the benefits of that planning, all that saving, and dare I say extra jobs while I was in the Navy. *So, **** you very much if I am successful. What your team has going for it right now is AMNESIA. Period. All thru the corruption, the stealing, the wasting of patriotic young Americans you towed the party line. What the hell is going on NOW? *Are you blind? *You can't see or hear ? * The past two years will go down in history as the "spend like a drunken sailor" period. You would have made a loyal Bolshevik proud, just from some of the bizarre double speak you used to explain away the absolute mess and betrayal of this country orchestrated by the Rightards. Now you are right there with the other hecklers. I am sure the Republicans have done their fare share of screwing up. * That is a given. *No argument from me about that. *Everyone is DC is corrupt. *THAT is what Beck's rally was about. *He is trying to resto re faith, hope, and charity (love) in this society. *Listen to the hate speech from commentators on the "major" networks, and then listen to what went on during his rally. *There was a lot of prayer, but no hate that I heard. *They were called vile names, but did not reply. *DR.. MLK's neice was there praising what they were trying to do. *I guess it just went over your head, what with it being so big, can you imagine the power involved. Shame on you. No, David, shame on you for not seeing the huckster your savior in the White House is. *Shame on you for voting for him when he had no credentials for POTUS. *Shame on your and all other progressives for allowing Nancy and Harry to perform a shotgun wedding on healthcare when more than 60% of the population did not want what they were selling, or should I say stealing? *Shame on you for allowing them to spend more in 18 months than all the money EVER spent my government. * Shame on you for not saying anything about Chris Dodd and Barney Frank's involvement with Fannie and Freddy. Shame on you for sitting in your ivory tower fiddling and doing nothing. *And shame on ALL of us for letting it continue. Dave Liar. Imbecile. Pig. g. Giddy up, MY one trick pony! *I always wanted a pony. *Hell, I don't care if he can do only one trick. *He's *my* pony. *Giddy up.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Moron. g. |
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On 2010-08-31 21:32:13 -0400, Giles said:
On Aug 31, 4:23*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote: wrote in message ... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, B ob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R essentially beat me to the point. We've cultivated a nation of fools, well, fools and lickspittles. g. snort/snicker/chortle |
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On Aug 31, 8:46*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-31 21:32:13 -0400, Giles said: On Aug 31, 4:23*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote: wrote in message . .. Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, B ob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R essentially beat me to the point. We've cultivated a nation of fools, well, fools and lickspittles. g. snort/snicker/chortle- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Idiot. g. |
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On Aug 31, 4:28*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-31 14:46:05 -0400, DaveS said: On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: jeff wrote: "And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders w ho will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere t o be found." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...tml?_r=1&src=m e&... Oh, OK... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201.... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, B ob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works. As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots. That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the neighborhood. -- Ken Fortenberry He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment. The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration and was a speech writer for Mondale. I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well documented, as is his support and association with the American branch of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s. David Oh, my gawd. *The sky is falling. *The sky is falling. Moron. g. |
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On 2010-08-31 21:45:47 -0400, Giles said:
On Aug 31, 8:44*pm, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 21:30:34 -0400, Giles said: On Aug 31, 4:26*pm, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 15:08:44 -0400, DaveS said: On Aug 31, 3:28*am, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said: And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people unti l they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the fo od ? If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give the m a bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic wo rk on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate Americ a so much? No offence. What the hell are you talking about, Dave? *I withhold food from n o one at the pantry. *I talk with them when they get their food. *I se e the m once a month and get to know them over a period of time. *Even the o nes who can not speak English very well. *They expected more from Obam a - he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. *And, the new ones w e see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for food/help are really ****ed at him. *If it's tough for those that ar e working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially thos e who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50. I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. *I am not a fan of h is . * I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. *H e' s a talk jock. *Why are you so afraid of him? *He has no power. Fascist Kraut? *I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and m y gov ernment. Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? *No offence. *Really. Dave Uha huh. Why I just betcha that all those unemployed are just ****y ****y off-ed at that Obama fellow. They are ****ed at their country. *They have fallen through the crac k through no fault of their own. *They *were* the working poor. *Now th ey are the unemployed poor and the fool in DC has done nothing for them. * Now, if they were members of the AFL/CIO or SEIU or Acorn, they would be happy. *But, they aren't. *They're just hard working parents li ke my parents were and for the first time in their life they are without work. *They got raises through the merit system, not by corruption. Obama's name never comes into the conversation. *Sit in your palace Dave, and fiddle. *We served 53 families today, well over 150 people , with enough food for a week. *We have very little meat for them - on ly what is donated by the local markets. *FDA supplies have been drastically cut. *We have three empty freezers and two filled with F DA blueberries. *Blueberries! *Our two stand-up double fridges are fi lle d with FDA cheese and deli items donated by the local markets. * Blueberries and cheese. That's it from you precious fool in the WH. We have never seen such hard times. *We have plenty of can goods/cereal that we buy at a great discount, and fruits/veggies left over from supermarkets, but very little federal support. *Why, I wonder. *Co uld it be that a lot of our money has gone to the unions and SEIU? *Didn 't we just spend a trillion bucks to "stimulate" the economy? *Tell ya what, Dave - there are few in Lowell, Mass who are "stimulated." Right you are right you are David. And, without any egging on by you in your monthly walk ons they are just bursting with irritation at that Obama fellow. Obama's name doesnt come into the conversation. *They are ****ed at what this country has become, and it sure as hell isn't their fauls. *And I bet they don't say **** about your car fetish, why they must know just how deserving they are of your scorn for American vehicles and American workers. Yeah, sure. *I've owned the same care for the past 8 years. *I've nev er had an American car last *me* more than 3 years. *You do the math. *I admit - I like fast cars and I find the time to take my car at least once a month to the track. *That's a fetish? *****, what is my fly fishing? *Bull****. And who do you think you are kidding about where you get the lines you copy out? Really. Like some folks who come from humble beginnings, you need somehow to justify your success and really your luck, that your hard work and good fortune paid off. Must be some reason right? Some attribute what they cannot understand via linear thinking. Some attribute success to religion, or to some slickster preacher. Some to wonder pills or bizarre diet. Some just use the good ole American approach and blame it on the Black guy. Huh? *My success is through hard work and the idea planted by my parents to save and prepare for later in life. *I was fortunate to b e employed full time since highschool until my retirements (3 of them). * I never needed or expected a hand out and no one offered me one. *I am now reaping the benefits of that planning, all that saving, and dare I say extra jobs while I was in the Navy. *So, **** you very much if I am successful. What your team has going for it right now is AMNESIA. Period. All thr u the corruption, the stealing, the wasting of patriotic young American s you towed the party line. What the hell is going on NOW? *Are you blind? *You can't see or h ear ? * The past two years will go down in history as the "spend like a drunke n sailor" period. You would have made a loyal Bolshevik proud, just from some of the bizarre double speak you used to explain away the absolute mess and betrayal of this country orchestrated by the Rightards. Now you are right there with the other hecklers. I am sure the Republicans have done their fare share of screwing up. * That is a given. *No argument from me about that. *Everyone is DC is corrupt. *THAT is what Beck's rally was about. *He is trying to re sto re faith, hope, and charity (love) in this society. *Listen to the hate speech from commentators on the "major" networks, and then listen to what went on during his rally. *There was a lot of prayer, but no ha te that I heard. *They were called vile names, but did not reply. *DR . MLK's neice was there praising what they were trying to do. *I guess it just went over your head, what with it being so big, can you imagine the power involved. Shame on you. No, David, shame on you for not seeing the huckster your savior in the White House is. *Shame on you for voting for him when he had no credentials for POTUS. *Shame on your and all other progressives for allowing Nancy and Harry to perform a shotgun wedding on healthcare when more than 60% of the population did not want what they were selling, or should I say stealing? *Shame on you for allowing them t o spend more in 18 months than all the money EVER spent my government. * Shame on you for not saying anything about Chris Dodd and Barney Frank's involvement with Fannie and Freddy. Shame on you for sitting i n your ivory tower fiddling and doing nothing. *And shame on ALL of us for letting it continue. Dave Liar. Imbecile. Pig. g. Giddy up, MY one trick pony! *I always wanted a pony. *Hell, I don't care if he can do only one trick. *He's *my* pony. *Giddy up.- Hide q uoted text - - Show quoted text - Moron. g. Awwww. Your just jealous 'cuz you don't have a pony. Tsktsktsk. Let me tell ya, it is sweet having a one trick pony all to myself. Giddy up, pony, giddy up. d;o) |
OT- political...only for republicans
On 2010-08-31 21:55:09 -0400, Giles said:
On Aug 31, 8:46*pm, D. LaCourse wrote: On 2010-08-31 21:32:13 -0400, Giles said: On Aug 31, 4:23*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote: wrote in message ... Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, B ob Doles, Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys... ...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams... HTH, R essentially beat me to the point. We've cultivated a nation of fools, well, fools and lickspittles. g. snort/snicker/chortle- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Idiot. g. snort/chortle/snicker Giddy up, pony boy, giddy up. Do your one trick for everyone to see. d;o) |
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