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OT, political: Move on, Bush.
I've been reading the campaign threads, and thinking about the National
Guard years, the staged photo op on the Aircraft carrier, the opportunistic news reports about Osama Bin Laden, the changing story about WMD and the like, and trying to get a solid grip on my feelings about Bush and the current campaign. And trying to figure out why it seems so significant, why I give Bush supporter's hollow arguments no credibility; even worse; feel that they are proudly proclaiming their allegience to a new form of evil empire, right here in America, right smack dab in the middle of what should be the world's new shining city on the hill, but is rapidly becoming a moral-less ghetto. Its cronyism, plain and simple. The rub-it-in-your-face type of cronyism, spoiled-rich-kid cronyism, the type that leaves you feeling betrayed, violated and ruthlessly excluded. Its gangsterism, bullyism, and it is far too similar to things I have seen in places that the US has prided itself in being as unlike as is physically possible. But now it is us, and I am ashamed. The Russian Thugs who dominate the Baltics are cronys, the worst kind. The Untouchables. They push the local businesses out, and joyride through the economy, keeping the wealth in their own pockets, living at standards unattainable by honest workers. And they gloat in public about it; drive their BMWs into the ground and pay cash for another, wear ungodly expensive clothing, live ruthlessly lavish lifestyles, and get a sadistic kick out of how much pleasure they derive from the harm they do to others. They live by the Golden Rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules, meanwhile they are protected by the headlock their clan has on the economy, the police, the courts. The bedroom deals that companies like Enron and Halliburton made with Bush and Cheny, and are now getting away with is exactly the same thing. Pillage and run, and laugh gleefully while the government protects you, and even shares in your loot. The Golden Rule. And Bush is letting, even making, it happen. The Untouchables. Africa is full of leaders who have devistated their countries for their own benefit, and feed them hyperbole and rhetoric while people starve and economies cave in. Cronyism is rife he good-intentioned people gain power, then fill the government offices and posts with friends and cronys who are not necessarily the best person for the job, but are certainly the best person at getting the boss re-elected, richer, or more perks and priviledges. They get used to the perks, then start padding their pockets. Take a democratic country, and start changing the laws. Rig, suspend or stuff elections, eliminate opponents, start a war to give the people an opiate, and once you have enough power to control the situation, use that power to change the ground rules so that no one can displace you. In a tyrant-savvy continent like Africa, it takes a very intelligent man to become a power tyrant and crony. In a naive and trusting place like the US, we just let them do it because its the last thing we'd expect. To have let Bush implement such tyrannical and civil rights-violating rules as are encompassed in the Patriot Act was negligent; to endorse it is treasonous. You can always tell when a kid is lying to you: they keep changing their story. Bush changes his story as fast as a kid caught shoplifting. First, there were weapons; we had to start a war or we'd all be killed in our sleep by nerve gases. Then there weren't weapons, but that's suddenly not the reason we went to war. Then there were weapons programs, or the potential for weapons programs. Now, it has nothing to do with weapons: he was an evil man and had to go. For gods sake, lets be honest: we supported the war because we wanted revenge. We wanted to kick someones ass for crashing planes into the WTC, and Osama Bin Laden escaped us and Bush didn't know where to go from there, so Rumsfield led him by the nose to implement a plan he had drawn up years before, but could not implement. Bush fabricated or fell for some tripe about WMD, led the gullible Americans by their Patriotic Nerve right into battle, against the advice of dozens of more experienced, more wise world leaders. Then it started backfiring, and he started changing his story, and now tries to deny responsibility. In every business, being the one who is 'responsible' means exactly that. Your guys give you false information and you act on it, you're responsible. Time to fall on your sword. But he won't, why not? Because he isn't fit to be a world leader, and does not have the leadership skills or the intellect to make complex decisions, and instead tries to drag us all down to his own level of simplicity. Funny thing, is that many of us seem quite willing to go there. You can tell the type of man a person is by looking at how they grew up. During the younger days, when he should have been working hard at school, developing his leadership training in the military or the Guard, and honing his business acumen in the School of Hard Knocks and a Level Playing Field, he was out partying, earning Cs, getting drunk or coked up, dodging his responsibilities (there's that word again), having his ass covered by his dad, and developing a network of cronies. Clever cronies that could later use him as their tool to manipulate the American people so badly that they would start two wars, alienate their global allies, tear up hard-won environmental treaties, throw away civil rights, and give their hard-earned retirement accounts to people who already have a hell of a lot more than their share. I have never felt so disenfranchised by my government as I do now. I have never felt that my president was so out of touch with the lifestyles and needs of common Americans as I do now, and I have never in my life expected that my President would be a man whom I could beat on an SAT exam. Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support, let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him. --riverman |
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riverman wrote: Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support, let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him. 'Nuff said.... Larry |
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riverman wrote:
... Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support, let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him. Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote... riverman wrote: ... Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support, let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him. Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. Are they still easily bamboozled when a liberal Dem is elected, or do just the smart ones vote in these circumstances? ;-) -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. You are so right. Even when they do vote, they do stupid things like voting for Ralph Nader. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote... Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. Are they still easily bamboozled when a liberal Dem is elected, or do just the smart ones vote in these circumstances? ;-) There are a lot of good reasons for a smart person to vote for Bush & Co. For instance, if you earn over $500,000 a year, depend on the government for sweetheart contracts and want to get filthy rich without bothersome environmental regulations or being hassled by commie-symp union folks, there's only one way for you to vote. I fully understand why these folks vote the way they do and they are not easily bamboozled. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
m: Tim J. wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote... Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. Are they still easily bamboozled when a liberal Dem is elected, or do just the smart ones vote in these circumstances? ;-) There are a lot of good reasons for a smart person to vote for Bush & Co. For instance, if you earn over $500,000 a year, depend on the government for sweetheart contracts and want to get filthy rich without bothersome environmental regulations or being hassled by commie-symp union folks, there's only one way for you to vote. I fully understand why these folks vote the way they do and they are not easily bamboozled. Good points. Some might also be constantly butting up against those nasty civil rights inconveniences. Scott |
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On 26 Feb 2004 15:47:17 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: Good points. Some might also be constantly butting up against those nasty civil rights inconveniences. Aw now, Bush went out of his way to stop by for an MLK photo-op on his way to a fund raiser here. How can he not be all about civil rights? -- Charlie... |
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Oh please, you want "John Kerry" in office to deal with the ongoing
terrorist's crap? You vote for him, and I'll cancel your vote! What a load of nonsense! Richard "riverman" wrote in message ... I've been reading the campaign threads, and thinking about the National Guard years, the staged photo op on the Aircraft carrier, the opportunistic news reports about Osama Bin Laden, the changing story about WMD and the like, and trying to get a solid grip on my feelings about Bush and the current campaign. And trying to figure out why it seems so significant, why I give Bush supporter's hollow arguments no credibility; even worse; feel that they are proudly proclaiming their allegience to a new form of evil empire, right here in America, right smack dab in the middle of what should be the world's new shining city on the hill, but is rapidly becoming a moral-less ghetto. Its cronyism, plain and simple. The rub-it-in-your-face type of cronyism, spoiled-rich-kid cronyism, the type that leaves you feeling betrayed, violated and ruthlessly excluded. Its gangsterism, bullyism, and it is far too similar to things I have seen in places that the US has prided itself in being as unlike as is physically possible. But now it is us, and I am ashamed. The Russian Thugs who dominate the Baltics are cronys, the worst kind. The Untouchables. They push the local businesses out, and joyride through the economy, keeping the wealth in their own pockets, living at standards unattainable by honest workers. And they gloat in public about it; drive their BMWs into the ground and pay cash for another, wear ungodly expensive clothing, live ruthlessly lavish lifestyles, and get a sadistic kick out of how much pleasure they derive from the harm they do to others. They live by the Golden Rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules, meanwhile they are protected by the headlock their clan has on the economy, the police, the courts. The bedroom deals that companies like Enron and Halliburton made with Bush and Cheny, and are now getting away with is exactly the same thing. Pillage and run, and laugh gleefully while the government protects you, and even shares in your loot. The Golden Rule. And Bush is letting, even making, it happen. The Untouchables. Africa is full of leaders who have devistated their countries for their own benefit, and feed them hyperbole and rhetoric while people starve and economies cave in. Cronyism is rife he good-intentioned people gain power, then fill the government offices and posts with friends and cronys who are not necessarily the best person for the job, but are certainly the best person at getting the boss re-elected, richer, or more perks and priviledges. They get used to the perks, then start padding their pockets. Take a democratic country, and start changing the laws. Rig, suspend or stuff elections, eliminate opponents, start a war to give the people an opiate, and once you have enough power to control the situation, use that power to change the ground rules so that no one can displace you. In a tyrant-savvy continent like Africa, it takes a very intelligent man to become a power tyrant and crony. In a naive and trusting place like the US, we just let them do it because its the last thing we'd expect. To have let Bush implement such tyrannical and civil rights-violating rules as are encompassed in the Patriot Act was negligent; to endorse it is treasonous. You can always tell when a kid is lying to you: they keep changing their story. Bush changes his story as fast as a kid caught shoplifting. First, there were weapons; we had to start a war or we'd all be killed in our sleep by nerve gases. Then there weren't weapons, but that's suddenly not the reason we went to war. Then there were weapons programs, or the potential for weapons programs. Now, it has nothing to do with weapons: he was an evil man and had to go. For gods sake, lets be honest: we supported the war because we wanted revenge. We wanted to kick someones ass for crashing planes into the WTC, and Osama Bin Laden escaped us and Bush didn't know where to go from there, so Rumsfield led him by the nose to implement a plan he had drawn up years before, but could not implement. Bush fabricated or fell for some tripe about WMD, led the gullible Americans by their Patriotic Nerve right into battle, against the advice of dozens of more experienced, more wise world leaders. Then it started backfiring, and he started changing his story, and now tries to deny responsibility. In every business, being the one who is 'responsible' means exactly that. Your guys give you false information and you act on it, you're responsible. Time to fall on your sword. But he won't, why not? Because he isn't fit to be a world leader, and does not have the leadership skills or the intellect to make complex decisions, and instead tries to drag us all down to his own level of simplicity. Funny thing, is that many of us seem quite willing to go there. You can tell the type of man a person is by looking at how they grew up. During the younger days, when he should have been working hard at school, developing his leadership training in the military or the Guard, and honing his business acumen in the School of Hard Knocks and a Level Playing Field, he was out partying, earning Cs, getting drunk or coked up, dodging his responsibilities (there's that word again), having his ass covered by his dad, and developing a network of cronies. Clever cronies that could later use him as their tool to manipulate the American people so badly that they would start two wars, alienate their global allies, tear up hard-won environmental treaties, throw away civil rights, and give their hard-earned retirement accounts to people who already have a hell of a lot more than their share. I have never felt so disenfranchised by my government as I do now. I have never felt that my president was so out of touch with the lifestyles and needs of common Americans as I do now, and I have never in my life expected that my President would be a man whom I could beat on an SAT exam. Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support, let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him. --riverman |
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"RDL" wrote in message m... Oh please, you want "John Kerry" in office to deal with the ongoing terrorist's crap? You vote for him, and I'll cancel your vote! What a load of nonsense! Is that you Dean? If so . . . Oh come on Richard, lets not pretend that national security or democracy has anything to do with your vote. You have made plain on many occasions your preference for feudalism, oligarchy, and crony capitalism. That's what ally's you and your Okie fascists to Bush. "Cancel your vote" ? . . . what a joke! What you're more likely to do is figure out how to siphon money to the RNCs dirty tricks affiliates. That would be more true to form. Dave War Profiteers should be Shot |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message m... SNIP Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. SNIP Ken Fortenberry Truer words were never spoken! American apathy is running about 70% so unless we get out the vote of 90% or better (collectively) we have absolute NO ROOM TO BITCH! It appears that as long as the average american joe cares only for his 40Hrs each of employment and TV, some kind of assinie "ball" sports every weekend, a 6-pak, and a car in the garage... he just doesn't seem to give a ****!!! GET UR ASS OUT THERE IN NOVEMBER AND EFFIN' VOTE!! Demo or Republican, VOTE!!! Back to lurk mode.... Bill |
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Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government
we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. Ken Fortenberry The Apocalypse clock just ticked away another minute. I find myself somewhat in agreement with Fortenberry. But instead of bemoaning the fact, how do all of us act to get new voters involved and older apathetic voters back into the habit of voting? We can sit and complain, snipe and bitch all day long from now until November. But if we don't personally find someway to get people back to the polls, we've dropped a bit of the ball and shouldered a bit of the blame ourselves. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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"slenon" wrote... Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. Ken Fortenberry The Apocalypse clock just ticked away another minute. I find myself somewhat in agreement with Fortenberry. You poor sap. ;-) But instead of bemoaning the fact, how do all of us act to get new voters involved and older apathetic voters back into the habit of voting? We can sit and complain, snipe and bitch all day long from now until November. But if we don't personally find someway to get people back to the polls, we've dropped a bit of the ball and shouldered a bit of the blame ourselves. rant I don't feel responsible in the least for other people not voting. Anyone who has half a brain and sees the issues we are faced with today should vote and it's THEIR responsibility to do so - not mine. Two of my children aren't registered to vote, and *that* ****es me off. One of them like to talk about political topics, but I refuse to discuss anything with him. If a person isn't voting, I could care less what they have to say about politics. I registered to vote at 18 and have voted in every state and national election since. I just don't understand the apathy. Regardless of how lousy the two or three candidates are put forward every few years, it's better to vote for the lesser of two evils than not at all, and then bitch about the results afterwards. \rant -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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David Snedeker wrote:
Is that you Dean? If so . . . Nah, it's not him. The poster formerly known as Dicky Dean is in a jail in New Jersey awaiting a psychiatric evaluation. http://tinyurl.com/3xeud -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"slenon" wrote in message . com... Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. Ken Fortenberry The Apocalypse clock just ticked away another minute. I find myself somewhat in agreement with Fortenberry. But instead of bemoaning the fact, how do all of us act to get new voters involved and older apathetic voters back into the habit of voting? We can sit and complain, snipe and bitch all day long from now until November. But if we don't personally find someway to get people back to the polls, we've dropped a bit of the ball and shouldered a bit of the blame ourselves. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 SNIP Yes indeed!!! And I've been bitching for nearly 50 years now at those lazy, apathetic slobs. I especially love it when I, after THEIR ****ing and moaning about the administration in power, ask them if they voted in the last election. When I get a negative answer my comment is, immediate and cynical: "Then you got just who and what you deserved!! I may or may not agree with your politics but I damned well have shown you one of the biggest reasons this country is goin' to hell in a handbasket!" No one has ever give me any crap back about it either!! Please get out and VOTE!! Cheers to y'all.... Bill P. Phx.Az |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote... David Snedeker wrote: Is that you Dean? If so . . . Nah, it's not him. The poster formerly known as Dicky Dean is in a jail in New Jersey awaiting a psychiatric evaluation. http://tinyurl.com/3xeud SPLORK! -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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I registered to vote at 18 and have voted in every state and national
election since. I just don't understand the apathy. Regardless of how lousy the two or three candidates are put forward every few years, it's better to vote for the lesser of two evils than not at all, and then bitch about the results afterwards. \rant Tim Like you, I vote in every election and I fail to see why anyone chooses to fail to exercise that privilege. I've heard all the arguments that are currently in use, too busy, too long a line, lost my card, the system's rigged against ( fill in ______). To me, they all are invalid and translate as "stupid/don't care." I'll write my own name in if I can't stomach a person running unopposed. It was always my understanding that if you don't vote, you have no right to bitch about the outcome or the actions of the people elected. Most of the time I vote for losing candidates in major elections. But it keeps the winners from claiming unanimous victories. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message om... "he defecated in the diaper and fled on foot" Lost my afternoon pop on that one... :) Jeff T. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:13:44 GMT, "slenon"
wrote: I registered to vote at 18 and have voted in every state and national election since. I just don't understand the apathy. Regardless of how lousy the two or three candidates are put forward every few years, it's better to vote for the lesser of two evils than not at all, and then bitch about the results afterwards. \rant Tim Like you, I vote in every election and I fail to see why anyone chooses to fail to exercise that privilege. I've heard all the arguments that are currently in use, too busy, too long a line, lost my card, the system's rigged against ( fill in ______). To me, they all are invalid and translate as "stupid/don't care." I'll write my own name in if I can't stomach a person running unopposed. It was always my understanding that if you don't vote, you have no right to bitch about the outcome or the actions of the people elected. Most of the time I vote for losing candidates in major elections. But it keeps the winners from claiming unanimous victories. If nothing else, the Current Regime appears to be doing all it can to stimulate the turnout in November. Ashcroft just filed for court orders demanding access to medical records from Planned Parenthood clinics across the country... /daytripper () |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:10:26 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote: Are they still easily bamboozled when a liberal Dem is elected. Yep. Been there, too. Got bamboozled about equally by both parties. Very seldom vote for either party now, going instead to the splinter parties. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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rw wrote:
You are so right. Even when they do vote, they do stupid things like voting for Ralph Nader. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0226-06.htm |
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Truer words were never spoken! American apathy is running about 70% so unless we get out the vote of 90% or better (collectively) we have absolute NO ROOM TO BITCH! GET UR ASS OUT THERE IN NOVEMBER AND EFFIN' VOTE!! Demo or Republican, VOTE!!! Try 85%... If my memoryt serves me well, the turnout n the last Presidential election was somewhere between 13-17% in most States. |
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Larry wrote:
If my memoryt serves me well, the turnout n the last Presidential election was somewhere between 13-17% in most States. I'm afraid your aging memory is serving you no better than the rest of your decrepit physical state. Voter turnout in the 2000 Presidential election ranged from a high of 68.8% (Minnesota) to a low of 41% (Hawaii). The median exceeded 50%. In the last election in Stanley, in November, we had 71 voters out of a total of population (by census) of 100. This breast-beating over low voter turnout is stupid. Plenty of people vote. I predict that the turnout in 2004 will exceed that of 2000, mainly because people are so ****ed off at Bush. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
rw wrote: You are so right. Even when they do vote, they do stupid things like voting for Ralph Nader. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0226-06.htm The guy is voting for Kerry to spite Clinton? Give me a break. The reason to vote for Kerry is to spite Bush. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . .. SNIP http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0226-06.htm The guy is voting for Kerry to spite Clinton? Give me a break. The reason to vote for Kerry is to spite Bush. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. No wonder you end up with such a clueless bunch. People here vote for somebody in the hope that this will result in a better government. TL MC |
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"rw" wrote .. I'm afraid your aging memory is serving you no better than the rest of your decrepit physical state. Since my state is known to be decrepit, I fear you may think that I am the Larry to whom you are replying .... I'm not, ( but I am the decrepit one ) |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:31:17 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote: No wonder you end up with such a clueless bunch. People here vote for somebody in the hope that this will result in a better government. The nominating process here eliminates that possibility. -- Charlie... |
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"Charlie Choc" wrote... "Mike Connor" wrote: No wonder you end up with such a clueless bunch. People here vote for somebody in the hope that this will result in a better government. The nominating process here eliminates that possibility. Exactly. By the time we weed out anyone who has ever had an unpaid parking ticket, smoked a joint, or had one too many beers, we're left with a surreal bunch of wussies and/or liars. It seems that voters, too, are unable to recall their past. -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Larry L wrote:
"rw" wrote . I'm afraid your aging memory is serving you no better than the rest of your decrepit physical state. Since my state is known to be decrepit, I fear you may think that I am the Larry to whom you are replying .... I'm not, ( but I am the decrepit one ) Yes, I thought I was replying the Decrepit Larry. I guess it was just Forgetful Larry. :-) -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Mike Connor wrote:
"rw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . .. SNIP http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0226-06.htm The guy is voting for Kerry to spite Clinton? Give me a break. The reason to vote for Kerry is to spite Bush. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. No wonder you end up with such a clueless bunch. People here vote for somebody in the hope that this will result in a better government. They sure blew it in in 1932. More recently, the Kohl government was mired in financial scandal. If, by any chance, you're talking about Great Britain, Tony Blair may not be quite a big a liar as Bush, but he's a more facile one. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . .. SNIP They sure blew it in in 1932. More recently, the Kohl government was mired in financial scandal. If, by any chance, you're talking about Great Britain, Tony Blair may not be quite a big a liar as Bush, but he's a more facile one. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. Oh they are all liars and cheats, it is extremely naive to expect otherwise, it is basically a prerequisite for the job. This is not too bad as long as they donīt do too much damage before they get thrown out again in favour of the next totally useless bunch. One must be grateful that some of the checks and controls in the system prevent them from doing far worse. This is inherent in a capitalist democracy. Like just about everybody else, they strive to gain money and power, this is what they have been conditioned to do. This is their main aim, "governing for the people" is at best secondary. It is absurd to expect anything else. TL MC |
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Mike Connor wrote:
"rw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . .. SNIP They sure blew it in in 1932. More recently, the Kohl government was mired in financial scandal. If, by any chance, you're talking about Great Britain, Tony Blair may not be quite a big a liar as Bush, but he's a more facile one. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. Oh they are all liars and cheats, it is extremely naive to expect otherwise, it is basically a prerequisite for the job. This is not too bad as long as they donīt do too much damage before they get thrown out again in favour of the next totally useless bunch. One must be grateful that some of the checks and controls in the system prevent them from doing far worse. This is inherent in a capitalist democracy. Like just about everybody else, they strive to gain money and power, this is what they have been conditioned to do. This is their main aim, "governing for the people" is at best secondary. It is absurd to expect anything else. Virtually every election is a choice between the lesser of two evils. I don't trust any politician, but that doesn't mean I think our choices between them don't matter. Some are worse than others. You have to keep their feet to the fire. That's what elections are for. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . .. SNIP Virtually every election is a choice between the lesser of two evils. I don't trust any politician, but that doesn't mean I think our choices between them don't matter. Some are worse than others. You have to keep their feet to the fire. That's what elections are for. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. Indeed, I have no argument with that, although there may well be more than two evils involved. Political and other standards in government have always been abysmal, it is the nature of the beast. Even a few people with honesty and integrity, assuming they ever got elected, (which is unlikely as the system actually supports liars and cheats), are not going to change much. Most politicians have two main aims, the first one is gaining power, and the second one is retaining it at any cost. Money, and all the other stuff are basically secondary, and the welfare of the people is way down the list somewhere. The old adage that "people seeking positions of power, should be disqualified on those very grounds", is as valid as ever. I always forget who said it, ( Some ancient greek philosopher, whose name constantly escapes me). Things have not changed much since then. TL MC |
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rw:
Virtually every election is a choice between the lesser of two evils. I don't trust any politician, but that doesn't mean I think our choices between them don't matter. Some are worse than others. You have to keep their feet to the fire. That's what elections are for. Elections, and once upon a time, the free press. Now the legitimate press is too busy covering celebrity affairs to dig up and verify much real dirt on politicians. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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Ashcroft just filed for court orders demanding access to medical records
from Planned Parenthood clinics across the country... /daytripper () When all is said and done, Ashcroft will turn out to be the worst thing that Bush II has unleashed upon this nation. Too bad he wasn't a snake handler, a poor, unlucky one. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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"Bill P" wrote in message news:fzr%b.1463$h23.769@fed1read06... "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message m... SNIP Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. SNIP Ken Fortenberry Truer words were never spoken!...... Bull****. People everywhere deserve good government. What they get, all too often, is what they ask for.....or not. Obviously, it's not the same thing. Wolfgang power corrupts......how do you excise corruption? |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... ...Two of my children aren't registered to vote, and *that* ****es me off. One of them like to talk about political topics, but I refuse to discuss anything with him. If a person isn't voting, I could care less what they have to say about politics..... I'll do you the favor of assuming that you mean you could care less about what anyone has to say about politics if they don't vote AND they live in a place where a vote matters. After all, history (as well as the world within which we live now) is replete with examples of times and places in which a vote was less than a shadow of a sham. Of course, that isn't the case here and now. We got LOTS of good choices, ainna? Wolfgang who votes for jesse every time. |
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"slenon" wrote in message m... Like you, I vote in every election and I fail to see why anyone chooses to fail to exercise that privilege. Most certainly not your first......or your last......failure. I've heard all the arguments that are currently in use, too busy, too long a line, lost my card, the system's rigged against ( fill in ______). To put it in its simplest terms, you have NEVER heard any of the arguments. To me, they all are invalid and translate as "stupid/don't care." That's because you are stupid. I'll write my own name in if I can't stomach a person running unopposed. Thus accomplishing.......what, exactly? It was always my understanding that if you don't vote, you have no right to bitch about the outcome or the actions of the people elected. That's because you are stupid. Most of the time I vote for losing candidates in major elections. And that is a ringing endorsement for your philosophy because......? But it keeps the winners from claiming unanimous victories. I see. So, you have, single-handedly, prevented unanimity in every major election since arriving at the age of majority? You must be very proud. Wolfgang "...asshole get elected, 'cuz assholes get to vote..."--P.M. |
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"Bill P" wrote in message news:1Jt%b.1482$h23.335@fed1read06... "slenon" wrote in message . com... Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled. Ken Fortenberry The Apocalypse clock just ticked away another minute. I find myself somewhat in agreement with Fortenberry. But instead of bemoaning the fact, how do all of us act to get new voters involved and older apathetic voters back into the habit of voting? We can sit and complain, snipe and bitch all day long from now until November. But if we don't personally find someway to get people back to the polls, we've dropped a bit of the ball and shouldered a bit of the blame ourselves. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 SNIP Yes indeed!!! And I've been bitching for nearly 50 years now at those lazy, apathetic slobs. I especially love it when I, after THEIR ****ing and moaning about the administration in power, ask them if they voted in the last election. When I get a negative answer my comment is, immediate and cynical: "Then you got just who and what you deserved!! I may or may not agree with your politics but I damned well have shown you one of the biggest reasons this country is goin' to hell in a handbasket!" No one has ever give me any crap back about it either!! Jam it up your ass.....sideways. Please get out and VOTE!! No. Cheers to y'all.... Bill P. Phx.Az Die. Wolfgang well.....another perfect record shattered.....so sad. |
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Bill P said: "..we get what we deserve..."
Then; Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government we deserve. SNIP Ken Fortenberry Truer words were never spoken!...... Bull****. People everywhere deserve good government. What they get, all too often, is what they ask for.....or not. Obviously, it's not the same thing. Grin Yes, Wolfgang ~ we do get it, collectively by voting, OR NOT voting. You might be eloquent with words but your recollection of what I said seems to suffer CRS. What the thread implied as well as said "People get what they deserve"... by NOT VOTING! Are you suggesting that we be "given" good government whether or not we vote for it? Erm... this smacks of communism or socialism. Engage your brain before slipping your tongue into gear. This is country is, is what a democracy IS about. Or, perhaps you imply politicians swop sides after election. This is quite true, but they can be voted right out again. That's the beauty of this country and it's constitutional rights. Yes indeed!!! And I've been bitching for nearly 50 years now at those lazy, apathetic slobs. I especially love it when I, after THEIR ****ing and moaning about the administration in power, ask them if they voted in the last election. When I get a negative answer my comment is, immediate and cynical: "Then you got just who and what you deserved!! I may or may not agree with your politics but I damned well have shown you one of the biggest reasons this country is goin' to hell in a handbasket!" No one has ever give me any crap back about it either!! Jam it up your ass.....sideways. ****Eh, Wolfgang? I'll pass on this as you're being a bit angered by your childish remark. Or should I say sophomoric. Please get out and VOTE!! No. ****NOW you ARE being childish. WE that vote get what we deserve.... again: "collectively." The majority rules and this is STILL the best country in the world. Cheers to y'all.... Bill P. Phx.Az Die. ****Y'must have been apoplectic by now. Cool down, your lack of control is being exposed. Wolfgang well.....another perfect record shattered.....so sad. ****So smug.... and self engratiating. Ho, hum........Pity. Bill P |
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