OT, political: Move on, Bush.

I've been reading the campaign threads, and thinking about the National
Guard years, the staged photo op on the Aircraft carrier, the opportunistic
news reports about Osama Bin Laden, the changing story about WMD and the
like, and trying to get a solid grip on my feelings about Bush and the
current campaign. And trying to figure out why it seems so significant, why
I give Bush supporter's hollow arguments no credibility; even worse; feel
that they are proudly proclaiming their allegience to a new form of evil
empire, right here in America, right smack dab in the middle of what should
be the world's new shining city on the hill, but is rapidly becoming a
moral-less ghetto.

Its cronyism, plain and simple. The rub-it-in-your-face type of cronyism,
spoiled-rich-kid cronyism, the type that leaves you feeling betrayed,
violated and ruthlessly excluded. Its gangsterism, bullyism, and it is far
too similar to things I have seen in places that the US has prided itself in
being as unlike as is physically possible. But now it is us, and I am
ashamed.

The Russian Thugs who dominate the Baltics are cronys, the worst kind. The
Untouchables. They push the local businesses out, and joyride through the
economy, keeping the wealth in their own pockets, living at standards
unattainable by honest workers. And they gloat in public about it; drive
their BMWs into the ground and pay cash for another, wear ungodly expensive
clothing, live ruthlessly lavish lifestyles, and get a sadistic kick out of
how much pleasure they derive from the harm they do to others. They live by
the Golden Rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules, meanwhile they are
protected by the headlock their clan has on the economy, the police, the
courts. The bedroom deals that companies like Enron and Halliburton made
with Bush and Cheny, and are now getting away with is exactly the same
thing. Pillage and run, and laugh gleefully while the government protects
you, and even shares in your loot. The Golden Rule. And Bush is letting,
even making, it happen. The Untouchables.

Africa is full of leaders who have devistated their countries for their own
benefit, and feed them hyperbole and rhetoric while people starve and
economies cave in. Cronyism is rife he good-intentioned people gain
power, then fill the government offices and posts with friends and cronys
who are not necessarily the best person for the job, but are certainly the
best person at getting the boss re-elected, richer, or more perks and
priviledges. They get used to the perks, then start padding their pockets.
Take a democratic country, and start changing the laws. Rig, suspend or
stuff elections, eliminate opponents, start a war to give the people an
opiate, and once you have enough power to control the situation, use that
power to change the ground rules so that no one can displace you. In a
tyrant-savvy continent like Africa, it takes a very intelligent man to
become a power tyrant and crony. In a naive and trusting place like the US,
we just let them do it because its the last thing we'd expect. To have let
Bush implement such tyrannical and civil rights-violating rules as are
encompassed in the Patriot Act was negligent; to endorse it is treasonous.

You can always tell when a kid is lying to you: they keep changing their
story. Bush changes his story as fast as a kid caught shoplifting. First,
there were weapons; we had to start a war or we'd all be killed in our sleep
by nerve gases. Then there weren't weapons, but that's suddenly not the
reason we went to war. Then there were weapons programs, or the potential
for weapons programs. Now, it has nothing to do with weapons: he was an evil
man and had to go. For gods sake, lets be honest: we supported the war
because we wanted revenge. We wanted to kick someones ass for crashing
planes into the WTC, and Osama Bin Laden escaped us and Bush didn't know
where to go from there, so Rumsfield led him by the nose to implement a plan
he had drawn up years before, but could not implement. Bush fabricated or
fell for some tripe about WMD, led the gullible Americans by their Patriotic
Nerve right into battle, against the advice of dozens of more experienced,
more wise world leaders. Then it started backfiring, and he started changing
his story, and now tries to deny responsibility. In every business, being
the one who is 'responsible' means exactly that. Your guys give you false
information and you act on it, you're responsible. Time to fall on your
sword. But he won't, why not? Because he isn't fit to be a world leader, and
does not have the leadership skills or the intellect to make complex
decisions, and instead tries to drag us all down to his own level of
simplicity. Funny thing, is that many of us seem quite willing to go there.

You can tell the type of man a person is by looking at how they grew up.
During the younger days, when he should have been working hard at school,
developing his leadership training in the military or the Guard, and honing
his business acumen in the School of Hard Knocks and a Level Playing Field,
he was out partying, earning Cs, getting drunk or coked up, dodging his
responsibilities (there's that word again), having his ass covered by his
dad, and developing a network of cronies. Clever cronies that could later
use him as their tool to manipulate the American people so badly that they
would start two wars, alienate their global allies, tear up hard-won
environmental treaties, throw away civil rights, and give their hard-earned
retirement accounts to people who already have a hell of a lot more than
their share.

I have never felt so disenfranchised by my government as I do now. I have
never
felt that my president was so out of touch with the lifestyles and needs of
common
Americans as I do now, and I have never in my life expected that my
President would be a man
whom I could beat on an SAT exam.

Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as
an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support,

let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered
spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him.

--riverman

riverman wrote:


Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as
an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support,
let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered
spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him.

'Nuff said....

Larry

riverman wrote:
...
Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as
an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support,

let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered
spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him.

Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government
we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them
don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
riverman wrote:
...
Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as
an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we support,

let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered
spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him.

Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government
we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them
don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled.

Are they still easily bamboozled when a liberal Dem is elected, or do just the
smart ones vote in these circumstances? ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government
we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them
don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled.

You are so right. Even when they do vote, they do stupid things like
voting for Ralph Nader.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Tim J. wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...

Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government
we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them
don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled.

Are they still easily bamboozled when a liberal Dem is elected, or do just the
smart ones vote in these circumstances? ;-)

There are a lot of good reasons for a smart person to vote for Bush & Co.
For instance, if you earn over $500,000 a year, depend on the government
for sweetheart contracts and want to get filthy rich without bothersome
environmental regulations or being hassled by commie-symp union folks,
there's only one way for you to vote. I fully understand why these folks
vote the way they do and they are not easily bamboozled.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote in
m:

Tim J. wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...

Well said, Myron, but I'm afraid it's true that we get the government
we deserve. I have little faith in my fellow Americans, most of them
don't even bother to vote and the ones who do are easily bamboozled.

Are they still easily bamboozled when a liberal Dem is elected, or do
just the smart ones vote in these circumstances? ;-)

There are a lot of good reasons for a smart person to vote for Bush &
Co. For instance, if you earn over $500,000 a year, depend on the
government for sweetheart contracts and want to get filthy rich
without bothersome environmental regulations or being hassled by
commie-symp union folks, there's only one way for you to vote. I fully
understand why these folks vote the way they do and they are not
easily bamboozled.


Good points. Some might also be constantly butting up against those nasty
civil rights inconveniences.

Scott

On 26 Feb 2004 15:47:17 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Good points. Some might also be constantly butting up against those nasty
civil rights inconveniences.

Aw now, Bush went out of his way to stop by for an MLK photo-op on his
way to a fund raiser here. How can he not be all about civil rights?
--
Charlie...

Oh please, you want "John Kerry" in office to deal with the ongoing
terrorist's crap? You vote for him, and I'll cancel your vote!



What a load of nonsense!



Richard




"riverman" wrote in message
...
I've been reading the campaign threads, and thinking about the National
Guard years, the staged photo op on the Aircraft carrier, the
opportunistic
news reports about Osama Bin Laden, the changing story about WMD and the
like, and trying to get a solid grip on my feelings about Bush and the
current campaign. And trying to figure out why it seems so significant,
why
I give Bush supporter's hollow arguments no credibility; even worse; feel
that they are proudly proclaiming their allegience to a new form of evil
empire, right here in America, right smack dab in the middle of what
should
be the world's new shining city on the hill, but is rapidly becoming a
moral-less ghetto.

Its cronyism, plain and simple. The rub-it-in-your-face type of cronyism,
spoiled-rich-kid cronyism, the type that leaves you feeling betrayed,
violated and ruthlessly excluded. Its gangsterism, bullyism, and it is far
too similar to things I have seen in places that the US has prided itself
in
being as unlike as is physically possible. But now it is us, and I am
ashamed.

The Russian Thugs who dominate the Baltics are cronys, the worst kind. The
Untouchables. They push the local businesses out, and joyride through the
economy, keeping the wealth in their own pockets, living at standards
unattainable by honest workers. And they gloat in public about it; drive
their BMWs into the ground and pay cash for another, wear ungodly
expensive
clothing, live ruthlessly lavish lifestyles, and get a sadistic kick out
of
how much pleasure they derive from the harm they do to others. They live
by
the Golden Rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules, meanwhile they are
protected by the headlock their clan has on the economy, the police, the
courts. The bedroom deals that companies like Enron and Halliburton made
with Bush and Cheny, and are now getting away with is exactly the same
thing. Pillage and run, and laugh gleefully while the government protects
you, and even shares in your loot. The Golden Rule. And Bush is letting,
even making, it happen. The Untouchables.

Africa is full of leaders who have devistated their countries for their
own
benefit, and feed them hyperbole and rhetoric while people starve and
economies cave in. Cronyism is rife he good-intentioned people gain
power, then fill the government offices and posts with friends and cronys
who are not necessarily the best person for the job, but are certainly the
best person at getting the boss re-elected, richer, or more perks and
priviledges. They get used to the perks, then start padding their pockets.
Take a democratic country, and start changing the laws. Rig, suspend or
stuff elections, eliminate opponents, start a war to give the people an
opiate, and once you have enough power to control the situation, use that
power to change the ground rules so that no one can displace you. In a
tyrant-savvy continent like Africa, it takes a very intelligent man to
become a power tyrant and crony. In a naive and trusting place like the
US,
we just let them do it because its the last thing we'd expect. To have let
Bush implement such tyrannical and civil rights-violating rules as are
encompassed in the Patriot Act was negligent; to endorse it is treasonous.

You can always tell when a kid is lying to you: they keep changing their
story. Bush changes his story as fast as a kid caught shoplifting. First,
there were weapons; we had to start a war or we'd all be killed in our
sleep
by nerve gases. Then there weren't weapons, but that's suddenly not the
reason we went to war. Then there were weapons programs, or the potential
for weapons programs. Now, it has nothing to do with weapons: he was an
evil
man and had to go. For gods sake, lets be honest: we supported the war
because we wanted revenge. We wanted to kick someones ass for crashing
planes into the WTC, and Osama Bin Laden escaped us and Bush didn't know
where to go from there, so Rumsfield led him by the nose to implement a
plan
he had drawn up years before, but could not implement. Bush fabricated or
fell for some tripe about WMD, led the gullible Americans by their
Patriotic
Nerve right into battle, against the advice of dozens of more experienced,
more wise world leaders. Then it started backfiring, and he started
changing
his story, and now tries to deny responsibility. In every business, being
the one who is 'responsible' means exactly that. Your guys give you false
information and you act on it, you're responsible. Time to fall on your
sword. But he won't, why not? Because he isn't fit to be a world leader,
and
does not have the leadership skills or the intellect to make complex
decisions, and instead tries to drag us all down to his own level of
simplicity. Funny thing, is that many of us seem quite willing to go
there.

You can tell the type of man a person is by looking at how they grew up.
During the younger days, when he should have been working hard at school,
developing his leadership training in the military or the Guard, and
honing
his business acumen in the School of Hard Knocks and a Level Playing
Field,
he was out partying, earning Cs, getting drunk or coked up, dodging his
responsibilities (there's that word again), having his ass covered by his
dad, and developing a network of cronies. Clever cronies that could later
use him as their tool to manipulate the American people so badly that they
would start two wars, alienate their global allies, tear up hard-won
environmental treaties, throw away civil rights, and give their
hard-earned
retirement accounts to people who already have a hell of a lot more than
their share.

I have never felt so disenfranchised by my government as I do now. I have
never
felt that my president was so out of touch with the lifestyles and needs
of
common
Americans as I do now, and I have never in my life expected that my
President would be a man
whom I could beat on an SAT exam.

Americans always tend to support their president: we see the presidency as
an indication of our liberty, our freedoms. Its the Presidency we
support,

let's throw this self-serving, lying, responsibility-dodging, overpampered
spoiled rich kid out of office, and his cronies with him.

--riverman

"RDL" wrote in message
m...
Oh please, you want "John Kerry" in office to deal with the ongoing
terrorist's crap? You vote for him, and I'll cancel your vote!

What a load of nonsense!

Is that you Dean? If so . . .

Oh come on Richard, lets not pretend that national security or democracy has
anything to do with your vote. You have made plain on many occasions your
preference for feudalism, oligarchy, and crony capitalism. That's what
ally's you and your Okie fascists to Bush. "Cancel your vote" ? . . . what
a joke! What you're more likely to do is figure out how to siphon money to
the RNCs dirty tricks affiliates. That would be more true to form.

Dave
War Profiteers should be Shot