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A Plea for Sanity
All,
It has been noted, by some who a regulars, and some who are less frequent posters, that ROFF has gotten nearly painful to read of late. Bitter exchanges, misinterpretations, off-hand insults and the like are far too common, the latest example being Dave LaCourse's "dialogue" with several folks. Perhaps it is, as suggested, the annual "cabin fever". I think, in some cases, it goes deeper than that. Here in the US, we are in the midst of a divisive election year. Further, as noted in his own posts, David has some serious health worries. I think such worries can, and do, color one's tolerance and manner of dealing with others. About a year back, Mike Connor and I had a bitter exchange, which upon reflection was probably made far more virulent by the fact that both of us were in distress over the health of a loved one. Not that such are excuses, but I am here to make a plea for tolerance of others which seems to have evaporated from the posts of some on here. As Wolfgang noted in another thread, this place has been capable of spawning friendships, fishing partnerships and a special kind of kinship among its participants over the past 10 years. I have always enjoyed the intellectual debates and downright silliness that occurs here, but as wayno noted, the tearing asunder of friendships is painful to watch. I beg for sanity, and an attempt to understand the feeling of others. Take the tongue-in-check stuff with a grain of salt, understand the limitations of Usenet communication and try to bring something to the table that is positive once in a while. I'll probably get the predicatable amount of response along the lines of "don't tell me what to do...",etc, but really couldn't care less. I am not telling anyone what to do, just hoping that some can find it in their souls to do the right thing, and act like adults. Tom |
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Tommy Littleton cued the sappy violin sound track and pleaded:
... Not that such are excuses, but I am here to make a plea for tolerance of others which seems to have evaporated from the posts of some on here. ... **** that ****. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote... All, It has been noted, by some who a regulars, and some who are less frequent posters, that ROFF has gotten nearly painful to read of late. Bitter exchanges, misinterpretations, off-hand insults and the like are far too common, snip Yeah, it sure would be good if the personal name calling and insults could be taken off-line before they get placed on display here. Oh, and FYT. :) -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Peter Charles wrote: About the only problem I see emerging is the apparent slowdown in the accretion of new "regulars". The newsreader stats posted by Forty seems to indicate a reduction in new/return posters and the same old, same old dominating the charts. The seemingly endless internecine warfare has to be turn-off for newbies. As I said previously, wayno calls this place Darwinian and Darwin's theories include extinction. The attrition of regular posters without being replaced new people, will lead to deterioration. The infighting with the regulars is one thing and it can dominate the conversations and go over board especially in the Winter, but I think the part of ROFF that is most self destructive is the game - "abuse the newbe" - that some people seem to find entertaining. Personally, I find it hard to come up with any "on topic" stuff in the middle of the Winter and fall into the "****" now and again. Spring is just around the corner and I'm willing to bet things will improve. At least I'll have more to say. Willi |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message ... All, It has been noted, by some who a regulars, and some who are less frequent posters, that ROFF has gotten nearly painful to read of late. (snip well-reasoned plea for future group self-control) over the winter, i have returned to my lifelong love of playing/singing acoustic guitar. naturally, i sought a usenet group that expressed a shared interest in the activity. the group, rmmga (rec. music. makers. guitar. acoustic), is, in many ways, similar to roff. there is an obvious core group of regulars (often referred to as the "inner circle") of about the same size as here--i would estimate twenty to thirty would be a good guess. they often discuss ot subjects, and they have their inside jokes, developed from their clave-like regional meetings, which they call "gatherings". their talent levels vary from rank beginners (even though those types may be found among the "inner circle" of long time posters) to the highest level of professional talent. they distribute, for a nominal cost, a collection of songs/pieces about once a year, organized, collated, and produced by certain of their membership. while the number of "regulars" is about the same as roff, the number of "middleground" posters, random repeaters, and newbies, is considerably higher than on our group. within the relatively short term of my participation, i have watched with considerable bemusement as the "inner circle", which is comprised of a rainbow of personalities, met the challenge of a newbie who was determined to bombard the group with thread hijackings centered around his own very right-wing political attitudes. the core group, *almost to a man*, without regard to the variation of their own politics, absolutely smothered the renegade's efforts to create wholesale dissension. he retired from the fray after about two or three weeks of fruitless blustering. i must say that the quality of intellect and literacy displayed over there doesn't match the best roff has to offer; few places do. but when it comes to finding a place to go for some pleasant interaction concerning one's particular choice of escapism, the guitar room is where i find myself, more and more. i fear that others, both regulars and those who just stop by for a drink or two, now and then, will make the same choice, until roff as we knew it will, as peter charles perceptively notes, becomes extinct. my reading of tom littleton's post, and my understanding of my own petulant urgings is not to make this place into a place populated by stepford wives; no one wants a usenet version of "pleasantville". like most of life, it's a matter of degree; and while no one can convince me that the intensely personal vendettas that seem to have grown in number and intensity over the last few months do not portend dark times, i know enough about some of the people involved to hold out hope that we can mend the tears in the fabric, at least for long enough to fish together again, and thereby heal ourselves and this community. yfitons wayno |
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Wayne Harrison wrote: my reading of tom littleton's post, and my understanding of my own petulant urgings is not to make this place into a place populated by stepford wives; no one wants a usenet version of "pleasantville". like most of life, it's a matter of degree; and while no one can convince me that the intensely personal vendettas that seem to have grown in number and intensity over the last few months do not portend dark times, i know enough about some of the people involved to hold out hope that we can mend the tears in the fabric, at least for long enough to fish together again, and thereby heal ourselves and this community. In the past, I've made statements similar to yours from time to time (although probably not as eloquently posed) and I was met with with statements, from you as well as others, such as "all you want is a group that discusses fishing - how boring", " if you don't like it don't read it" etc. Things may be A BIT different right now on ROFF, but if they are, they aren't much different. I was puzzled by the recent criticisms you made of ROFF. It thought they were quite similar to statements I made in the past that you discounted, but now that you've found a new place to hang, it makes more sense. Willi |
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"Wayne Harrison" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . com... SNIP of the people involved to hold out hope that we can mend the tears in the fabric, at least for long enough to fish together again, and thereby heal ourselves and this community. yfitons wayno Even train wrecks pall eventually. This is not a community, it is basically a motley collection of widely differing individuals who happen to come in here for whatever reason. There may be some community feeling at claves etc, but there is not much here. This is mainly because many people can not get along with total freedom of speech. (Within the limitations obtaining here of course). Wishing others to be friendly and polite is not sufficient, one must also be friendly and polite. Without some form of control, chaos invariably eventually reigns. The only real control here is self-control, and some simply donīt have any. I donīt see this changing either. If one discusses off-topic contentious material, then the results are inevitable, as many disagreements almost immediately deteriorate into personal battles. Hardly anybody wants to read or become otherwise involved in such. It is embarrassing and pointless. As a fishing NG, this place has become almost useless. Just like governments, you get the newsgroup you deserve. If you want a better one, then the general behaviour and attitude of the participants has to change. I donīt think this is likely either. This group can only become extinct if the level of posting sinks below a certain level for a certain period of time. This too is unlikely. What is possible is that more and more of the once prolific posters retire, or at least post less, this might allow some new blood to assert itself. Whether that is then "better" is a moot point, and entirely subjective. As it happens, I agree with your sentiments, and Tom Littletonīs as well, but others will not do so, and even this will cause contention, as doubtless even my agreement therewith! Some comments to this effect have already been made. Unless a common basis is found, and some people practice a little restraint, things will simply not change. TL MC |
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Peter Charles wrote:
About the only problem I see emerging is the apparent slowdown in the accretion of new "regulars". The newsreader stats posted by Forty seems to indicate a reduction in new/return posters and the same old, same old dominating the charts. The seemingly endless internecine warfare has to be turn-off for newbies. As I said previously, wayno calls this place Darwinian and Darwin's theories include extinction. The whole "Darwinian" business is cute but can only bear so much. Sure, "survival of the fittest" and all that jazz. Hardly likely, though, that a newsgroup would become "extinct" in anything like the way a species does. People come, some stay, some go, some come back, some stay gone. So, ROFF "mutates", it "evolves", but not in any Darwinian sense. The size of the "core group" of regulars probably stays around the same over time, with attrition and "recruitment" more or less equal (who knows, maybe there's some more or less standard "inner circle" size for Usenet--the maximum number whose personal histories, likes/dislikes, etc., other Inner Circlers can comfortably keep in their heads). And even if ROFF could cease to exist (or if it were to atrophy to *only* the same 10-20 folks) and the rest of the millions of fly fishers in the world went and did something else, just how dire would that be, who would care? JR |
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JR wrote:
... And even if ROFF could cease to exist (or if it were to atrophy to *only* the same 10-20 folks) and the rest of the millions of fly fishers in the world went and did something else, just how dire would that be, who would care? Well said, JR. Maudlin pleas for comity, camaraderie and "can't we all get along and sing a round of Kumbaya" are as old as cabin fever itself. In actual point of fact, no, we cannot all get along, we never have and we never will. Those who can deal with that, either by staying out of the fray, ignoring it altogether or participating in it, will stay, those who cannot will leave. 'Twas ever thus on unmoderated Usenet newsgroups. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:00:34 +0100, JR wrote:
Peter Charles wrote: About the only problem I see emerging is the apparent slowdown in the accretion of new "regulars". The newsreader stats posted by Forty seems to indicate a reduction in new/return posters and the same old, same old dominating the charts. The seemingly endless internecine warfare has to be turn-off for newbies. As I said previously, wayno calls this place Darwinian and Darwin's theories include extinction. The whole "Darwinian" business is cute but can only bear so much. Sure, "survival of the fittest" and all that jazz. Hardly likely, though, that a newsgroup would become "extinct" in anything like the way a species does. People come, some stay, some go, some come back, some stay gone. So, ROFF "mutates", it "evolves", but not in any Darwinian sense. The size of the "core group" of regulars probably stays around the same over time, with attrition and "recruitment" more or less equal (who knows, maybe there's some more or less standard "inner circle" size for Usenet--the maximum number whose personal histories, likes/dislikes, etc., other Inner Circlers can comfortably keep in their heads). And even if ROFF could cease to exist (or if it were to atrophy to *only* the same 10-20 folks) and the rest of the millions of fly fishers in the world went and did something else, just how dire would that be, who would care? JR Newsgroups do go extinct. It seems that if the number of posts seem to drop below some critical mass that will hold sufficient interest, then it drops off to virutally nothing. I have checked out different newsgroups over the years, associated with my various hobbies and interests. I've gone back after a one or two year hiatus and found zero posts. Will the fly fishing world go on? Yes. Will it care if ROFF is gone? No. The loss will only be felt by us. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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Forty notes:
**** that ****. as predictable, as it is trivial, a comment. Tom |
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Tommy Littleton sneered:
Forty notes: **** that ****. as predictable, as it is trivial, a comment. No more trivial than your hypocritical plea, just quite a bit less verbose. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message om... Tommy Littleton sneered: Forty notes: **** that ****. as predictable, as it is trivial, a comment. No more trivial than your hypocritical plea, just quite a bit less verbose. -- Ken Fortenberry listen, ken, i need you to tell me the truth about something: who the **** *are* you? if you are the guy i met at the first clave, and have since, on several occasions, fished with, drank with, laughed with, argued with, and just enjoyed a sense of friendship with, but who simply has this inexplicable, and apparently irresistable, need to become the virtual embodiment of the term "asshole" during your participation in this newsgroup, then i can deal with the situation, as we all must do as long as you post here. but if the "real" ken is a charade, put in place to permit your occasional attendance at gatherings of folks who enjoy a common recreational activity, without having your ass chewed out or whipped, as the need might arise, then let me know the truth. in that fashion, if the answer to the latter scenario is "yes", i can merely return your sophomoric "**** you" response on the web and in person, and both of us can get on with living a little more closely to the truth. in my view, that is what we should all try to do, without regard to how close to perfection our individual truth might be. and , fwiw, tom littleton is as far away from hypocrisy as your online persona is from a state of grace. your friend in the old north state wayno |
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Wayne Harrison wrote:
listen, ken, i need you to tell me the truth about something: who the **** *are* you? snipped Which is the "real" wayno, the scourge of the newbies or the Kumbaya evangelist from the guitar group, a friend of mine, or a behind my back tutor who teaches "roff according to wayno" via email ? You and Tommy both are all-star hypocrites. I can't be more truthful than that. It's sweet that you feel compelled to squeal like little school girls when Louie gets a well-deserved bitch slapping, but he's a big boy now, when he dances the flamenco on his dick with track shoes he deserves to be good and thoroughly bitch slapped. I can't be more truthful than that. I am Ken Fortenberry, if that's not what you expected either change your expectations or learn to use your killfile. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Forty babbles:
No more trivial than your hypocritical plea, just quite a bit less verbose. YAWN succinct enough for you? Tom p.s. I always liked the sporting bar analogy of ROFF, but in a real bar, one can enjoy watching people getting tossed after making nuisances of themselves....or, getting their asses kicked. |
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Tommy Littleton threatens:
... p.s. I always liked the sporting bar analogy of ROFF, but in a real bar, one can enjoy watching people getting tossed after making nuisances of themselves....or, getting their asses kicked. Asses kicked in a "Plea for Sanity" thread. Sweet. No hypocrites here, no siree. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message . com... "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message om... Tommy Littleton sneered: Forty notes: **** that ****. as predictable, as it is trivial, a comment. No more trivial than your hypocritical plea, just quite a bit less verbose. -- Ken Fortenberry listen, ken, i need you to tell me the truth about something: who the **** *are* you? if you are the guy i met at the first clave, and have since, on several occasions, fished with, drank with, laughed with, argued with, and just enjoyed a sense of friendship with, but who simply has this inexplicable, and apparently irresistable, need to become the virtual embodiment of the term "asshole" during your participation in this newsgroup, then i can deal with the situation, as we all must do as long as you post here. but if the "real" ken is a charade, put in place to permit your occasional attendance at gatherings of folks who enjoy a common recreational activity, without having your ass chewed out or whipped, as the need might arise, then let me know the truth. in that fashion, if the answer to the latter scenario is "yes", i can merely return your sophomoric "**** you" response on the web and in person, and both of us can get on with living a little more closely to the truth. in my view, that is what we should all try to do, without regard to how close to perfection our individual truth might be. and , fwiw, tom littleton is as far away from hypocrisy as your online persona is from a state of grace. your friend in the old north state wayno well said uncle wayno- this has been a question in my mind, as i find it difficult to believe that folks could really enjoy fishing with such an abrasive human being....... and as i tend to agree with some of your politics, ken, it pains me further to know that i could share such ideals with one possessing the persona you display on roff - (course i'm sure that could be said of many other folks who politics i share, but will never meet.) Snakefiddler- will the real forty please stand up? |
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Forty notes:
You and Tommy both are all-star hypocrites I'll let wayno speak for himself, but I would like to ask: Where is my hypocrisy? First, my post went far beyond the recent exchanges with Louie, and yes he did act poorly(I noted a possible excuse, but it is just that, a sort of rationale for out of character behavior). I was responding far more to: 1. The noted dearth of new blood in the posted stats; 2. The TONE and personal nature of attacks of late and 3. The lack of consideration between folks who seem to have a long, positive personal history. Now, how that gets to be hypocrisy, looking back on what and how I have exchanged thoughts over the past 9 years, I can't figure. It is interesting that you, and you alone, take personal offense to my plea. FWIW, I have NEVER killfiled anyone, of my own choice. I figure it leaves me unable to rejudge a person's character or motives. Yes, I can, and do, avoid a lot of threads, once they bore me. I know perfectly well that all of us can. I still don't see where, to those to whom ROFF matters, a need exists to act like a perfect dickhead, or an insensitive jerk, to people you interact with. Enlighten me as to your reasons, if you have them. Tom |
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Ken writes:
Asses kicked in a "Plea for Sanity" thread. Sweet. No hypocrites here, no siree. ;-) nope, I am trying to point out the dynamic of interpersonal behavior. Obviously, it passed over your head. apologies, Tom |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
... Where is my hypocrisy? First, my post went far beyond the recent exchanges with Louie, and yes he did act poorly(I noted a possible excuse, but it is just that, a sort of rationale for out of character behavior). I was responding far more to: ... 2. The TONE and personal nature of attacks of late and 3. The lack of consideration between folks who seem to have a long, positive personal history. Now, how that gets to be hypocrisy, looking back on what and how I have exchanged thoughts over the past 9 years, I can't figure. I had never, so far as I knew, ever had a cross word with you, hell I've never even met you, when you ripped off a vicious personal attack. I was surprised and I didn't know what to think. You've repeated the performance on a couple of occasions since. Therein lies your hypocrisy. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken writes:
I had never, so far as I knew, ever had a cross word with you, hell I've never even met you, when you ripped off a vicious personal attack. I was surprised and I didn't know what to think. You've repeated the performance on a couple of occasions since. Therein lies your hypocrisy. ok, Ken, we have a semantics issue here. By personal attacks, I was referring to attacks taking a low road(ie: attacks dealing with an individual's personal life, health, relatives,etc). I realize perfectly well that exchanges between individuals here, or anyplace, will involve pointing a single person out. My "attacks" upon you were an expression of my dismay on the seemingly ignorant manner you choose to display when attacking others. Yes, I feel you behave like a complete asshole on here. Yes, I believe you behavior influences the choices of others to be here. Further, I feel you are a perfect example of the kind of Usenet participant who talks one way online, and hasn't the balls to do the same in person. I would be more than happy to say so to your face, should I encounter you. All this said, you were far from the source of my original post here. I was responding to a seeming avalanche of poor interpersonal communication. hypocrisy my ass, Tom |
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Tom Littleton threatens again:
ok, Ken, we have a semantics issue here. ... Semantics, my ass, you sanctimonious little prick, and I'd be more than happy to say that in your face if I'm ever so unfortunate as to cross paths with you. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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snakefiddler wrote:
well said uncle wayno- this has been a question in my mind, as i find it difficult to believe that folks could really enjoy fishing with such an abrasive human being....... and as i tend to agree with some of your politics, ken, it pains me further to know that i could share such ideals with one possessing the persona you display on roff - (course i'm sure that could be said of many other folks who politics i share, but will never meet.) In person, Fortenberry isn't that hard to take. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, as my late mother used to say. He can cook a more-than-decent pasta. He's a halfway competent fisherman, considering his effete affectations. I haven't yet seen him catch a fish, despite numerous opportunities, but hope springs eternal. If you get into a political discussion he might act up a little, and get personal, like he does on ROFF, but a "**** you, Fortenberry" will put him in a more conciliatory mood. Which is the "real" Fortenberry? I don't know, and I don't really care. My only regret is that I had a golden opportunity to put him on his ass at the Henrys Fork Clave, with no one else around, and I passed, content to scare him off with his tail between his legs. Maybe another opportunity will come along, but I doubt it. Life is full of regrets. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tom Littleton wrote: snip I had never, so far as I knew, ever had a cross word with you, hell I've never even met you, when you ripped off a vicious personal attack. I was surprised and I didn't know what to think. You've repeated the performance on a couple of occasions since. What? Was Tom trespassing on your turf? Therein lies your hypocrisy. Being a sweetheart in person and an asshole on ROFF --- that's hypocrisy. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Ken states:
Tom Littleton threatens again: sorry you feel threatened. Semantics, my ass, you sanctimonious little prick, and I'd be more than happy to say that in your face if I'm ever so unfortunate as to cross paths with you. ho-hum! Tom |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
sorry you feel threatened. Are you now ? That would make you a liar and a hypocrite. Well, that went about as well as a Pollyanna plea could be expected to go. Let that be a lesson to all of us. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote You and Tommy both are all-star hypocrites. I can't be more truthful than that. It's sweet that you feel compelled to squeal like little school girls when Louie gets a well-deserved bitch slapping, but he's a big boy now, when he dances the flamenco on his dick with track shoes he deserves to be good and thoroughly bitch slapped. I can't be more truthful than that. I am Ken Fortenberry, if that's not what you expected either change your expectations or learn to use your killfile. -- Ken Fortenberry ah, well, i am old enough to realize that friends are easily made, but lost only with difficulty and regret. sorry, ken. wayno |
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Ken writes:
sorry you feel threatened. Are you now ? That would make you a liar and a hypocrite. where did I threaten you? Trust me,chum, if you are trying to read between the lines and get a threat out of it, you don't have a clue about me. Not that I would be surprised over that, but.....If I wanted to threaten you, it would be dead obvious, trust me. Well, that went about as well as a Pollyanna plea could be expected to go. Let that be a lesson to all of us. as noted, you seemed to be the only one who stated any offense, so I figure that bodes well. It seems, Ken, that you want to see things in Black and White, Good and Evil, Friend and Foe. Kinda like our Commander in Chief, with different politics. That sort of stuff is a little shallow for my tastes, most of the time. I do agree that a lesson might be learned by all, but not in the sense you see it. Tom |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
... Trust me,chum, if you are trying to read between the lines and get a threat out of it, you don't have a clue about me. Not that I would be surprised over that, but.....If I wanted to threaten you, it would be dead obvious, trust me. I have more than a clue about you, "chum", I know you way better than you'd like to think. I choose my words carefully and when I refer to you as a sanctimonious little prick I do so as an astute and experienced observer of Usenet personae. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken blathers on:
point out the threat, Ken. I just don't like someone claiming I threatened them, when I clearly did not. BTW, if you are gleaning your info from USENET, your sources are a bit lacking, dontcha think? EOT, at least insofar as wallowing with you is concerned. Tom |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
Ken blathers on: point out the threat, Ken. I just don't like someone claiming I threatened them, when I clearly did not. ... ================================================== ============================== p.s. I always liked the sporting bar analogy of ROFF, but in a real bar, one can enjoy watching people getting tossed after making nuisances of themselves....or, getting their asses kicked. I feel you are a perfect example of the kind of Usenet participant who talks one way online, and hasn't the balls to do the same in person. I would be more than happy to say so to your face, should I encounter you. ================================================== ============================== Big bad Usenet talk, you sound like the putz. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message ... Ken blathers on: point out the threat, Ken. I just don't like someone claiming I threatened them, when I clearly did not. BTW, if you are gleaning your info from USENET, your sources are a bit lacking, dontcha think? EOT, at least insofar as wallowing with you is concerned. Tom "eot"...ah, a phrase to be valued, and to be seen more often, in a better time. fewer friendships would be lost, and thereby less loss to life itself. wayno |
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 00:23:06 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Big bad Usenet talk, Yet another irony meter shot to ****. -- Charlie... |
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Wayne Harrison wrote:
ah, well, i am old enough to realize that friends are easily made, but lost only with difficulty and regret. sorry, ken. What in the hell are you sorry about ? Or are you a graduate of the Dave LaCourse school of insincere apologies ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: Tommy Littleton sneered: Forty notes: **** that ****. as predictable, as it is trivial, a comment. No more trivial than your hypocritical plea, just quite a bit less verbose. Just a bit. The essence would have read: "I'm proud to be an asshole and anyone who doesn't like it can **** off." Willi |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: Tom Littleton threatens again: ok, Ken, we have a semantics issue here. ... Semantics, my ass, you sanctimonious little prick, and I'd be more than happy to say that in your face if I'm ever so unfortunate as to cross paths with you. Better watch it Tom, the last time Ken called you a sanctimonious little prick wannabe, this time you've graduated to a full fledged sanctimonious little prick. I'm jealous. I thought he had that label reserved just for me. Willi |
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Willi notes:
this time you've graduated to a full fledged sanctimonious little prick. I'm jealous. I thought he had that label reserved just for me. Shoot, I was just getting to like "Dumbo"... Tom |
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Willi wrote:
Better watch it Tom, the last time Ken called you a sanctimonious little prick wannabe, this time you've graduated to a full fledged sanctimonious little prick. I'm jealous. I thought he had that label reserved just for me. You've graduated Willi, you've been the sanctimonious little prick with a high horse welded on his arse for some time now. I was just waiting for your diploma to come back from the printers. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Tom Littleton" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... Willi notes: this time you've graduated to a full fledged sanctimonious little prick. I'm jealous. I thought he had that label reserved just for me. Shoot, I was just getting to like "Dumbo"... Tom You see? You canīt forget either. Once something is said on here, then no amount of apologising, sincere or otherwise is going to make it unsaid. Replying in kind, is not the way to "sanity". TL MC |
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