"riverman" wrote in message ...

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Not that I'm for offending people, but I think it is ironic that you
can't give Jesus for Chrstmas:

http://www.richmondtimesdispatch.com...!news!vaapwire

..... that creaking sound you hear, is western civilazation
toppling.... as it bends over backwards...

PS, I see the point, but the irony is palpable..


What the Marines do with Toys for Tots is nondenominational. The Religious
Right implying that its foul play to not accept talking Jesus toys is like
the Romans claiming it was foul play for the Trojans to refuse the horse.

Romans? Paris and Helen of Sparta would be very upset to be indentified to
the bask water rustis village (as it was during the Trojan War)...



And for anyone else to claim its foul play is just religious hypocricy.

Christ's association with Christmas is historically a very recent event;
only since the 10th or 11th century. Consumerist Santa is considerably
more relevant today, and historically, midwinter festivals such as Yule,
Saturnalia or Yalda, predate Christ by millenia. The evidence doesn't even
support that Christ was born in December.


And not even until the late 19th century in civilized regions, such as,
Scotland, but that's beside the point... in the US, Christmas has always,
until recently, been identified with only one thing, the Christ story.