Are Hunters psycho's??

The NRA, and various hunting groups are adamantly against John Kerry
because he is anti assault weapons. How many hunters are psycho
enough to want to hunt a deer with a assault weapon? In the oct issue
of Field And Stream, the group "vote your sport" says "The truth is
that John Kerry has voted against your gun and Hunting rights over 50
Times in 20 years". When has he ever voted against hunting rights?
Unless psycho hunters think shooting 50 bullets into a deer or bird in
rapid succession is a right of hunters.

George Bush's choice for the position of undersecretary for natural
resources and the environement was Mark Rey.
Mark Rey was also keynote speaker for the "alliance for America".
What is that organizations stance regarding the environment?
""Our goal is to destroy, to eradicate the environmental movement. We
want to be able to exploit the environment for private gain,
absolutely." Ron Arnold, founder, Alliance for America."

How has George Bush's Secretary of the Interior treated lands that
could be used as wilderness for hunting and fishing?
His Secretary of the Interior has declared that not another inch of
land will be added to Wilderness.

On 5 Oct 2004 13:26:10 -0700, (katie star)
wrote:

The NRA, and various hunting groups are adamantly against John Kerry
because he is anti assault weapons. How many hunters are psycho
enough to want to hunt a deer with a assault weapon? In the oct issue
of Field And Stream, the group "vote your sport" says "The truth is
that John Kerry has voted against your gun and Hunting rights over 50
Times in 20 years". When has he ever voted against hunting rights?
Unless psycho hunters think shooting 50 bullets into a deer or bird in
rapid succession is a right of hunters.

George Bush's choice for the position of undersecretary for natural
resources and the environement was Mark Rey.
Mark Rey was also keynote speaker for the "alliance for America".
What is that organizations stance regarding the environment?
""Our goal is to destroy, to eradicate the environmental movement. We
want to be able to exploit the environment for private gain,
absolutely." Ron Arnold, founder, Alliance for America."

How has George Bush's Secretary of the Interior treated lands that
could be used as wilderness for hunting and fishing?
His Secretary of the Interior has declared that not another inch of
land will be added to Wilderness.


No hunters aren't. All the ones that I know well are voting for Kerry.
(Of course they're all Democrats too, which helps.)


g.c.

I'm a hunter and owner of several guns. I wouldn't vote for Bush if you
pointed an assult weapon at my head and insisted ( won't happen this year,
but four more like the last four and ? ), partly BECAUSE I'm a hunter and
value thoughtful environmental policy.

The basic Republican platform doesn't offer much to anyone except the
extremely rich. Unfortunately for them, there aren't enough very rich
people to elect anyone, SO, they artfully woo one issue "knee jerk voters."
The NRA voter is a perfect example. I used to be a member, and I used to
train dogs for a NRA lobbiest. But they have so far stepped over the bounds
of reason that I consider them a THREAT to my guns now, "bad eggs" always
eventually ruin things for the majority and the NRA is now so extreme as to
be a bad egg. My lobbiest customer went elsewhere when I made it clear I
felt that voting for Bush because NRA says to is an incredibly stupid thing
for an outdoorsman to do.

The Reps have tacked on several other knee jerk groups ... none big enough,
alone, to matter that much, but combined a huge number of exceedingly
mindless and one-sided people ...like Bush himself, on their particular
"issue" they are "always right" and never question themselves. Scary group
of alliances, scary leader.

I'm a hunter and owner of several guns. I wouldn't vote for Bush if you
pointed an assult weapon at my head and insisted ( won't happen this year,
but four more like the last four and ? ), partly BECAUSE I'm a hunter and
value thoughtful environmental policy

Well then, can you explain to me why so many outdoor types support
Bush? It mystifies me.

vince

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
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I'm a hunter and owner of several guns. I wouldn't vote for Bush if you
pointed an assult weapon at my head and insisted ( won't happen this year,
but four more like the last four and ? ), partly BECAUSE I'm a hunter and
value thoughtful environmental policy

Well then, can you explain to me why so many outdoor types support
Bush? It mystifies me.

Probably for the same reasons that many 'environmentalists' support the Wise
Use political standpoint. They start attacking their own protectors,
accusing them of being the enemy. These outdoors types think that
environmental groups are actually harming their interests by trying to keep
them out of the environment, and supporting Bush will make more of the
wilderness accessible to them, therefore Bush = good, Environmentalists =
bad.

Check out http://www.cdfe.org/wiseuse.htm to read how Orwellian things have
become. You end up actally thinking that the Sierra Club is evil, and that
opening up Wilderness areas to developement and the public is good.

--riverman

"vincent p. norris" wrote

Well then, can you explain to me why so many outdoor types support
Bush? It mystifies me.



mystifies me too .....

Before the last election I was chatting with a client that had a nice
Chesapeake Bay Retriever I was training, a man with whom I had hunted a
couple times. He mentioned that he had decided to vote for Bush. I said
something to the effect of "But, Dale, Gore is a much stronger supporter of
the environment."

Dale replied, "Yeah I like Gore better for most things, but I want to keep
my guns." That, is a grade A, classic, "one issue ... knee jerk"

.... He mentioned that he had decided to vote for Bush. I said
something to the effect of "But, Dale, Gore is a much stronger supporter of
the environment."

Dale replied, "Yeah I like Gore better for most things, but I want to keep
my guns." That, is a grade A, classic, "one issue ... knee jerk"

Not only that, but Dale should know that the President has no power to
take away our guns. Presidents do not make laws.

I agree with George Cleveland; shooting is fun. And I enjoy taking my
Brittany out into the fields and woods in the fall and looking for
birds, even if I don't get to do any shooting. (I usually miss,
anyway.)

It seems to me the NRA leadership is constantly trying to scare us
into believing that "the government" is on the verge of confiscating
our guns, for the purpose of prodding us into us sending them our
money--which is the source of their (no doubt handsome) salaries.

Reminds me of Al Capone's way to make money: Tell businessmen "You
give me money, and I'll make sure nothing bad happens to your store."

Except for a few Senators and Congressmen from high urbanized areas,
where random shooting are a problem (which gun laws won't prevent),
our legislators know that voting for a gun-confiscation law, or even
sounding like they might vote for one, is political suicide.

Aside from that, a significant number of legislators themselves enjoy
hunting and are simpatico with others who share that pleasure, and
also want to preserve shooting sports for themselves.

We need to be less paranoid about gun ownership.

vince

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:16:13 -0400, vincent p. norris
wrote:

.... He mentioned that he had decided to vote for Bush. I said
something to the effect of "But, Dale, Gore is a much stronger supporter of
the environment."

Dale replied, "Yeah I like Gore better for most things, but I want to keep
my guns." That, is a grade A, classic, "one issue ... knee jerk"

Not only that, but Dale should know that the President has no power to
take away our guns. Presidents do not make laws.

And not only that, but you'd think even a Penn State Prof would know
that Presidents CAN issue Executive Orders and this is why some 50 types
of weapons are permanently banned from import...

HTH,
R

.... He mentioned that he had decided to vote for Bush. I said
something to the effect of "But, Dale, Gore is a much stronger supporter of
the environment."

Dale replied, "Yeah I like Gore better for most things, but I want to keep
my guns." That, is a grade A, classic, "one issue ... knee jerk"

Not only that, but Dale should know that the President has no power to
take away our guns. Presidents do not make laws.

I agree with George Cleveland; shooting is fun. And I enjoy taking my
Brittany out into the fields and woods in the fall and looking for
birds, even if I don't get to do any shooting. (I usually miss,
anyway.)

It seems to me the NRA leadership is constantly trying to scare us
into believing that "the government" is on the verge of confiscating
our guns, for the purpose of prodding us into us sending them our
money--which is the source of their (no doubt handsome) salaries.

Reminds me of Al Capone's way to make money: Tell businessmen "You
give me money, and I'll make sure nothing bad happens to your store."

Except for a few Senators and Congressmen from high urbanized areas,
where random shooting are a problem (which gun laws won't prevent),
our legislators know that voting for a gun-confiscation law, or even
sounding like they might vote for one, is political suicide.

Aside from that, a significant number of legislators themselves enjoy
hunting and are simpatico with others who share that pleasure, and
also want to preserve shooting sports for themselves.

We need to be less paranoid about gun ownership.

vince

Fully automatic weapons are very useful when shooting deer on the run.

john
"katie star" wrote in message
om...
The NRA, and various hunting groups are adamantly against John Kerry
because he is anti assault weapons. How many hunters are psycho
enough to want to hunt a deer with a assault weapon? In the oct issue
of Field And Stream, the group "vote your sport" says "The truth is
that John Kerry has voted against your gun and Hunting rights over 50
Times in 20 years". When has he ever voted against hunting rights?
Unless psycho hunters think shooting 50 bullets into a deer or bird in
rapid succession is a right of hunters.

George Bush's choice for the position of undersecretary for natural
resources and the environement was Mark Rey.
Mark Rey was also keynote speaker for the "alliance for America".
What is that organizations stance regarding the environment?
""Our goal is to destroy, to eradicate the environmental movement. We
want to be able to exploit the environment for private gain,
absolutely." Ron Arnold, founder, Alliance for America."

How has George Bush's Secretary of the Interior treated lands that
could be used as wilderness for hunting and fishing?
His Secretary of the Interior has declared that not another inch of
land will be added to Wilderness.