Sage LL sub

I recently had reason to remember a Sage LL 4wt I owned. It was one of the
nicest casting rods I've ever had and I was saddened when it died, to find
that Sage no longer made the LL series.

I have a birthday coming up very soon and have been thinking of getting a
4wt ..... anyone out there familiar with that old LL rod and know of one
that comes close to it's lovely action, in this age of broomsticks and
mislabeled, overweight, fly lines made too heavy for the line size to make
broomsticks cast while still having a small "number"?

Larry L wrote:
I recently had reason to remember a Sage LL 4wt I owned. It was one of the
nicest casting rods I've ever had and I was saddened when it died, to find
that Sage no longer made the LL series.

I have a birthday coming up very soon and have been thinking of getting a
4wt ..... anyone out there familiar with that old LL rod and know of one
that comes close to it's lovely action, in this age of broomsticks and
mislabeled, overweight, fly lines made too heavy for the line size to make
broomsticks cast while still having a small "number"?

You are correct Larry, the 389 LL fly rod may have been the sweetest
dry fly rod ever made, even more so than the heritage series by T&T.

Immediately after they dropped the LL series, I THINK their VPS series
was supposed to be the same blank, and you might be able to find one of
those in a shop near you even though they don't list them on the web
site anymore. The other rods that I find *comparable* in action to the
LL are the Winston Tom Morgan Favorite (only available in a two piece
4wt) or the T&T Light Presentation Series (LPS).
Wayne

Larry L wrote:
I have a birthday coming up very soon and have been thinking of
getting a
4wt ..... anyone out there familiar with that old LL rod and know of one
that comes close to it's lovely action, in this age of broomsticks and
mislabeled, overweight, fly lines made too heavy for the line size to make
broomsticks cast while still having a small "number"?

I have cast a new rod recently and think you might want to give it a
cast or two before you decide. The Temple Fork Finesse line of rods are
just beginning to make it to the shops. I have cast a 7 foot 9 inch 3
weight four piece rod a couple of times in the past couple of weeks. It
is made in weights from 2 to 5 and it is slow enough that I like it a
lot.

Big Dale

Big Dale wrote:

I have cast a new rod recently and think you might want to give it a
cast or two before you decide. The Temple Fork Finesse line of rods are
just beginning to make it to the shops. I have cast a 7 foot 9 inch 3
weight four piece rod a couple of times in the past couple of weeks. It
is made in weights from 2 to 5 and it is slow enough that I like it a
lot.

Ah, I was about to ask the group if anyone had any experience with
that new series. So it's got a fairly slow action? How would you
compare it to the "series one" rods? I've got a 3-wt. in that series,
and I like it a lot, but a travel rod would make life easier. (I've
been thinking about getting a 4-wt., as that's a gap in my ... er ...
"collection".)


Chuck Vance

Chuck: I do not have a series one rod, but it is MUCH slower than
either of my Pro series rods. They claim it was made to cast with only
five feet of line past the tip of the rod. I know that it casts well
that way and also great up to about 45 feet for me. That is about as
far as I cast anything. They should be available to try in a shop near
you soon. I got an e-mail from Waldo and he said they were in and he
was looking forward to fishing them.

Big Dale

Big Dale wrote:

Chuck: I do not have a series one rod, but it is MUCH slower than
either of my Pro series rods. They claim it was made to cast with only
five feet of line past the tip of the rod. I know that it casts well
that way and also great up to about 45 feet for me. That is about as
far as I cast anything. They should be available to try in a shop near
you soon. I got an e-mail from Waldo and he said they were in and he
was looking forward to fishing them.

Excellent, thanks for the info, BD. Sounds like it would be just
the ticket for those NC streams. Now, do I get a 4-wt. to fill that gap
in my arsenal, or do I buy another 3-wt.?


Chuck Vance (decisions, decisions)

I am not a good one to advise on the subject of 3 weight rods. I quit
counting the 3 weight rods I have several years ago and continue to buy
the ones I like. I have one designated 4 weight rod and another that
works best with a 4 weight line, but it was supposed to be a 2 weight
rod. I guess I keep buying 3 weight rods because I have several reels
with different 3 weight lines that I use .

I just like the damn things.

Big Dale

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Big Dale wrote:

Chuck: I do not have a series one rod, but it is MUCH slower than
either of my Pro series rods. They claim it was made to cast with only
five feet of line past the tip of the rod. I know that it casts well
that way and also great up to about 45 feet for me. That is about as
far as I cast anything. They should be available to try in a shop near
you soon. I got an e-mail from Waldo and he said they were in and he
was looking forward to fishing them.

Excellent, thanks for the info, BD. Sounds like it would be just the
ticket for those NC streams. Now, do I get a 4-wt. to fill that gap in my
arsenal, or do I buy another 3-wt.?


Chuck Vance (decisions, decisions)

It really depends on the size of rhodos you plan to catch. If you want to go
out a little farther to catch maples and poplars you probably should get a
little heavier rod.

HTH
Bob

Larry L wrote:
I recently had reason to remember a Sage LL 4wt I owned. It was one of the
nicest casting rods I've ever had and I was saddened when it died, to find
that Sage no longer made the LL series.

I have a birthday coming up very soon and have been thinking of getting a
4wt ..... anyone out there familiar with that old LL rod and know of one
that comes close to it's lovely action, in this age of broomsticks and
mislabeled, overweight, fly lines made too heavy for the line size to make
broomsticks cast while still having a small "number"?

I have a Sage 490-4 LL and you're right, it is the sweetest
casting 4wt I've ever encountered. I don't know of any rod
that even comes close to its beautiful action in a 9' 4wt.

Winston WT (the renamed IM6) is nice enough and may be the
closest you can get nowadays.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Larry L" wrote:

I recently had reason to remember a Sage LL 4wt I owned. It was one of the
nicest casting rods I've ever had and I was saddened when it died, to find
that Sage no longer made the LL series.

I have a birthday coming up very soon and have been thinking of getting a
4wt ..... anyone out there familiar with that old LL rod and know of one
that comes close to it's lovely action, in this age of broomsticks and
mislabeled, overweight, fly lines made too heavy for the line size to make
broomsticks cast while still having a small "number"?

Larry,
I have the six weight version and while I don't use it much here in Md I
was reminded this summer on the Madison why I like it so much. I did
check when I came back and at that time there was a 4 weight on e-bay
for fairly cheap.

Allen