Whats the best leader for braided lines?

I know everyone has their own opinion on this, but I'd lie to hear
about everyones expierences. I started useing braided superlines a
few years ago and haven't looked back. Currently, I keep all my rods
rigged with either grey or yellow Power Pro line. I especially love
the yellow line for throwing unweighted senkos, because I can detect
the strikes by watching the line. The only problem is, I firmly
believe the fish can see the line. I've been experimenting with
various leader materials. First I tried regular Stren mono, but I
didn't like that at all. Then I tried Berkley Vanish and that worked
pretty well in most situations. Next I tried P-Line flourocarbon, but
I didn't like it at all. This Year, I'm trying Suffix Seige. So far
it seems to work OK in some situations, but it seems to have poor
abrasion resistance.
For those of you out there that use super braids with leaders,
what do you like and why? TIA

Zimmy

"Zimmy" wrote in message
ups.com...
I know everyone has their own opinion on this, but I'd lie to hear
about everyones expierences. I started useing braided superlines a
few years ago and haven't looked back. Currently, I keep all my rods
rigged with either grey or yellow Power Pro line. I especially love
the yellow line for throwing unweighted senkos, because I can detect
the strikes by watching the line. The only problem is, I firmly
believe the fish can see the line. I've been experimenting with
various leader materials. First I tried regular Stren mono, but I
didn't like that at all. Then I tried Berkley Vanish and that worked
pretty well in most situations. Next I tried P-Line flourocarbon, but
I didn't like it at all. This Year, I'm trying Suffix Seige. So far
it seems to work OK in some situations, but it seems to have poor
abrasion resistance.
For those of you out there that use super braids with leaders,
what do you like and why? TIA

Zimmy

I use braid striaght to the hook/bait in all conditions except gin clear
water. Then I switch to a Seaguar Carbon Pro flourocarbon. Usually in 12
lb. I may try Maxima Flourocarbon if I get a chance. I've got their 8lb on
my drop shot rod sand its pretty incredible stuff. My partner has 12lb
Maxima flourocarbon on his wacky senko rod and he says he likes it a lot.


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I do not use leaders on braid. I don't like the idea of adding another knot
to the equation. Most of my fishing is done in weedy areas a leader would
just give me a weak link in the system. When they take me down into the
weeds and start wrapping around the veg, a leader would just be like a get
out of jail free card.

"johnval1" wrote:

I do not use leaders on braid. I don't like the idea of adding
another knot to the equation. Most of my fishing is done in weedy
areas a leader would just give me a weak link in the system. When
they take me down into the weeds and start wrapping around the veg,
a leader would just be like a get out of jail free card.

Pardon me if this has already been discussed. I'm getting ready for
a trip to Rio Unini in the Amazon. We're going after Peacock Bass.
I'm planning to use 65 lb braid (Power Pro). If I tie braid right to
the lure am I more likely to break the line or rod than with a
leader? I hear they fight like Tyson. :^)

Also, I've been trying various knots to tie the leader (12 lb mono)
to the braid with varying degrees of success. If you have any
suggestions about the best knot to withstand Peacock abuse I'd like
to hear it.

Thanks in advance.

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Regards,
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Sarasota · Florida · 34233
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"Robert L Bass" wrote in message SNIP

Pardon me if this has already been discussed. I'm getting ready for a
trip to Rio Unini in the Amazon. We're going after Peacock Bass. I'm
planning to use 65 lb braid (Power Pro). If I tie braid right to the lure
am I more likely to break the line or rod than with a leader? I hear they
fight like Tyson. :^)

Also, I've been trying various knots to tie the leader (12 lb mono) to the
braid with varying degrees of success. If you have any suggestions about
the best knot to withstand Peacock abuse I'd like to hear it.

Thanks in advance.

Hello Robert,

While I don't have a lot of experience with peacock bass, having only fished
for them in Miami, I do have a fair amount of experience with 65 pound
PowerPro and with muskies, a large, hard hitting fish.

If you tie the line directly to the lure, you will stand the best chance to
land fish. I'm not a fan of using leaders, rarely finding fish to be leader
shy. However, whether you break the rod or the line is going to depend on
the rod you're using. I use 50 and 65 pound test on rods I've built using
St. Croix blanks. Their flipping stick and light muskie rods have held up
to the higher poundage lines pretty well. The best way to avoid rod
breakage is to set the drag so that there is a slight amount of slippage on
the hook set, then use your thumb on the spool to apply more pressure on the
fish if needed. I did blow up one rod using PowerPro, but I had the drag
cranked down as tight as possible and pulled a five pound bass out of the
water on a hook set.

I've done some experimenting and found the Uni-Uni knot to offer the best
strength for a connecting knot, but it works best when the leader line
diameter is the same as the PowerPro.

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G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
news

Pardon me if this has already been discussed. I'm getting ready
for a trip to Rio Unini in the Amazon. We're going after Peacock
Bass. I'm planning to use 65 lb braid (Power Pro). If I tie braid
right to the lure am I more likely to break the line or rod than
with a leader? I hear they fight like Tyson. :^)

Also, I've been trying various knots to tie the leader (12 lb
mono) to the braid with varying degrees of success. If you have
any suggestions about the best knot to withstand Peacock abuse I'd
like to hear it.

Thanks in advance.

Hello Robert,

While I don't have a lot of experience with peacock bass, having
only fished for them in Miami, I do have a fair amount of
experience with 65 pound PowerPro and with muskies, a large, hard
hitting fish.

If you tie the line directly to the lure, you will stand the best
chance to land fish. I'm not a fan of using leaders, rarely
finding fish to be leader shy. However, whether you break the rod
or the line is going to depend on the rod you're using. I use 50
and 65 pound test on rods I've built using St. Croix blanks. Their
flipping stick and light muskie rods have held up to the higher
poundage lines pretty well. The best way to avoid rod breakage is
to set the drag so that there is a slight amount of slippage on the
hook set, then use your thumb on the spool to apply more pressure
on the fish if needed. I did blow up one rod using PowerPro, but I
had the drag cranked down as tight as possible and pulled a five
pound bass out of the water on a hook set.

Thanks Steve,

That (no leader) seems to be the concensus so far. I'll try it. I
have one St. Croix rod. It's a Premier series, 7 foot, 2 piece. I
thought I'd bring two spinning rods and reels with me. The outfitter
has bait casting gear. Jerry from Highroller Lures (a good guy)
suggested when fishing shallow lagoons I alternate casts to the shore
line and the open area. He says he's caught big PB that way. Seems
sensible enough if the water is shallow. Your thoughts?

I've done some experimenting and found the Uni-Uni knot to offer
the best strength for a connecting knot, but it works best when the
leader line diameter is the same as the PowerPro.

I tried that knot after reading your post and you're right. It's
easier with same sized lines. I'll try working without a leader for
a while. Is the single Uni knot good for tying line to the lure or
is there a better one?

Thanks again for all the help.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================

Bob,
Thanks, I'll have to try the Seaguar and the Maxima. I guess I
spent too much time flyfishing for trout as a kid, but I just don't
feel comfortable trying the braided lines direct to the hook/lure, but
then, I'm almost always fishing shallow water rangeing from stained to
gin clear, so I have always felt I get more bites when useing a clear
leader at least 5' long.

Zimmy

I use braid striaght to the hook/bait in all conditions except gin clear
water. Then I switch to a Seaguar Carbon Pro flourocarbon. Usually in 12
lb. I may try Maxima Flourocarbon if I get a chance. I've got their 8lb on
my drop shot rod sand its pretty incredible stuff. My partner has 12lb
Maxima flourocarbon on his wacky senko rod and he says he likes it a lot.

--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contestshttp://www.YumaBassMan.com

"Zimmy" wrote in message
ups.com...
I know everyone has their own opinion on this, but I'd lie to hear
about everyones expierences. I started useing braided superlines a
few years ago and haven't looked back. Currently, I keep all my rods
rigged with either grey or yellow Power Pro line. I especially love
the yellow line for throwing unweighted senkos, because I can detect
the strikes by watching the line. The only problem is, I firmly
believe the fish can see the line. I've been experimenting with
various leader materials. First I tried regular Stren mono, but I
didn't like that at all. Then I tried Berkley Vanish and that worked
pretty well in most situations. Next I tried P-Line flourocarbon, but
I didn't like it at all. This Year, I'm trying Suffix Seige. So far
it seems to work OK in some situations, but it seems to have poor
abrasion resistance.
For those of you out there that use super braids with leaders,
what do you like and why? TIA

I've been using braided line for years without ever attaching a leader and
haven't had a problem with fish eating the lure. Adding a leader simply
adds another connection point that has the potential for failure.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:32:21 -0600, "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"
wrote:


"Zimmy" wrote in message
oups.com...
I know everyone has their own opinion on this, but I'd lie to hear
about everyones expierences. I started useing braided superlines a
few years ago and haven't looked back. Currently, I keep all my rods
rigged with either grey or yellow Power Pro line. I especially love
the yellow line for throwing unweighted senkos, because I can detect
the strikes by watching the line. The only problem is, I firmly
believe the fish can see the line. I've been experimenting with
various leader materials. First I tried regular Stren mono, but I
didn't like that at all. Then I tried Berkley Vanish and that worked
pretty well in most situations. Next I tried P-Line flourocarbon, but
I didn't like it at all. This Year, I'm trying Suffix Seige. So far
it seems to work OK in some situations, but it seems to have poor
abrasion resistance.
For those of you out there that use super braids with leaders,
what do you like and why? TIA

I've been using braided line for years without ever attaching a leader and
haven't had a problem with fish eating the lure. Adding a leader simply
adds another connection point that has the potential for failure.
Yeah.......and when you're serving bologna, make sure you include some
spam. By golly!!

Zimmy,

I use the same rig you do re a leader with most of my braids. I'm pretty
sure I'm using the new suffix floro. I add a dab of superglue to the knot
and I've never had a knot break on a set or while fighting a fish. I think
you're right, if you're fishing relatively clear water (like we do on Lake
Mich and some of it's tributaries) I think a leader is a must. Now it's hard
to measure negatives . . . unless you can actually see a fish reject the
offering and know it's because they saw the line, but I think it's a matter
of comfort and confidence. I like the combo, use it on a number of
applications and have no prob or concerns with the extra knot.



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