a bit of advice please on whips ( fishing question that is )

Hi all,

I really have never been interested in using poles and whips, seemed a step
back to use a stick with line tied to the end.

However, my grandson ( aged just 4 ), has started fishing with me and he has
difficulty in understanding the needs to mend line and keep tension so I
thought it might be an idea to use a whip so I remove the need to understand
reels and line problems.

So far so good except I now realise that my knowledge of whips and poles is
limited to the idea only and I lack the detail I need to carry this off
without looking a total ploker in front of my grandson.

I am getting a cheep Keenets 5M whip kit to start him off, he is a tall lad
for 4 years old and can handle it I think. I only expect him to take small
and moderate fish at first and if he keeps his current interest I can
progress him back on to rod and line later.

So can any body aim me at a beginners guide to whip fishing or give any
advice please. Do not worry about starting from he beginning as I have never
used one or watched anyone using one. Line connection is also of interest as
I am told that you do not use elastic on whips, yes! I am that green when it
comes to this matter.

--
Gandalf

In article , Gandalf
wrote:

Hi all,

I really have never been interested in using poles and whips, seemed a step
back to use a stick with line tied to the end.

However, my grandson ( aged just 4 ), has started fishing with me and he has
difficulty in understanding the needs to mend line and keep tension so I
thought it might be an idea to use a whip so I remove the need to understand
reels and line problems.

I always take beginners to the smallest streams - and usually provide them
with a slow running centrepin. The stream must be narrow enough that
casting is not needed and swift enough that the current straightens out the
line. -I- do the loosefeeding and we move on each time we scare a swim.

So far so good except I now realise that my knowledge of whips and poles is
limited to the idea only and I lack the detail I need to carry this off
without looking a total ploker in front of my grandson.

I am getting a cheep Keenets 5M whip kit to start him off, he is a tall lad
for 4 years old and can handle it I think. I only expect him to take small

But 4 is very young. Too young imo. I'd prefer to give him a net and find
somewhere of child-welly depth where he can catch wriggly things which you
look at together in a white bottomed dish and maybe look up in a book - the
I-spy series were great for this.

I have a few suggestions on:
http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/...ild/index.html

Cheerio,

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Hi Derek,

4 is very young but this is an unusual 4 year old. We did the net and
stickleback thing when he was just 3. I know all grandparents think their
grandchildren are outstanding but this little one is and can catch fish, he
can identify most of them too. Just got a slight mental block on the use of
a reel. His interest does fade out after 90 minutes or so but a couple of
hours fishing with him is fine, his interest fades due to me having to sort
out the line for him so maybe the pole will help this.

I am getting 5 meter pole tomorrow and think he will be able to use it. I
have found out enough about them to get started and will use it for a while
myself so I can teach him, he will probably learn faster than me.

No streams to actually fish so it is all still waters which is fine until
you get line drift and have to mend it for him.

The pole is not costing me much so nothing really lost if it fails.

Many thanks Derek.

--
Gandalf

"Derek Moody" wrote in message
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In article , Gandalf
wrote:

Hi all,

I really have never been interested in using poles and whips, seemed a
step
back to use a stick with line tied to the end.

However, my grandson ( aged just 4 ), has started fishing with me and he
has
difficulty in understanding the needs to mend line and keep tension so I
thought it might be an idea to use a whip so I remove the need to
understand
reels and line problems.

I always take beginners to the smallest streams - and usually provide them
with a slow running centrepin. The stream must be narrow enough that
casting is not needed and swift enough that the current straightens out
the
line. -I- do the loosefeeding and we move on each time we scare a swim.

So far so good except I now realise that my knowledge of whips and poles
is
limited to the idea only and I lack the detail I need to carry this off
without looking a total ploker in front of my grandson.

I am getting a cheep Keenets 5M whip kit to start him off, he is a tall
lad
for 4 years old and can handle it I think. I only expect him to take
small

But 4 is very young. Too young imo. I'd prefer to give him a net and find
somewhere of child-welly depth where he can catch wriggly things which you
look at together in a white bottomed dish and maybe look up in a book -
the
I-spy series were great for this.

I have a few suggestions on:
http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/...ild/index.html

Cheerio,

--
Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

In article , Gandalf
wrote:
Hi Derek,

No streams to actually fish so it is all still waters which is fine until
you get line drift and have to mend it for him.

Really? Not even in/outflows?

A metre wide and half that deep is enough...

Cheerio,

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No, just a small stream inlet and a drain off that is a little more but
still only stickleback territory. I do have a section of canal fairly close
but even that is closed both ends.

Nearest real river is the Thames at Cricklade which I used to fish right
down to Lechlade in my youth. I do miss river fishing though and may try to
find some day ticket waters on the Thames. I think there is some at St Johns
Lock just down from Lechlade. Handy little pub right by the river as well if
I remember right.

Off out tomorrow but it will be rod and line in a lake known for large
bream, feeder fishing will be the method. Going to teach my daughter, my
grandsons mother, for the morning as she now wants to go with him as well.
They all think it is so easy.VBG

Cheers Gandalf


"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:
Hi Derek,

No streams to actually fish so it is all still waters which is fine until
you get line drift and have to mend it for him.

Really? Not even in/outflows?

A metre wide and half that deep is enough...

Cheerio,

--
Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

"Gandalf" gandalf not for wrote in message
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No, just a small stream inlet and a drain off that is a little more but
still only stickleback territory. I do have a section of canal fairly
close but even that is closed both ends.

Nearest real river is the Thames at Cricklade which I used to fish right
down to Lechlade in my youth. I do miss river fishing though and may try
to find some day ticket waters on the Thames. I think there is some at St
Johns Lock just down from Lechlade. Handy little pub right by the river as
well if I remember right.

Off out tomorrow but it will be rod and line in a lake known for large
bream, feeder fishing will be the method. Going to teach my daughter, my
grandsons mother, for the morning as she now wants to go with him as well.
They all think it is so easy.VBG

Cheers Gandalf


Hi Gandalf,

I was in a similar position a couple of years ago with my son. Partly
because of the advice from this group (Derek!) and partly due to an
introduction to fishing event held by the Environment agency, I ended up
taking my son to the Thames (Reading area) with a pole (4M is easy enough
for a child that size). He started caching fish within seconds! I suggest
you check the EA web page to see it there is a similar event in your area.
The format seems to be a session with a qualified fishing instructor, a bit
of 'pond dipping' and finished off with a goody bag - a pole with all you
need to get started. All you need to add is bait.

Don't under estimate how successful a simple pole can be - about 10 days ago
I took both my kids to the Thames and they caught nearly 100 fish between
them, mostly Roach but some perch, dace and I even caught a sizeable pike!

Derek is absolutely right to highlight the danger of a young child near
water, but if the right location is chosen this should be manageable.

One thing that has really surprised me is the 'staying power' a young child
can have. I expected the attention to wander after a short while, however
the last trip was 5 hours long and they didn't want to go home even then...

Andy.

In message , Gandalf
writes
No, just a small stream inlet and a drain off that is a little more but
still only stickleback territory. I do have a section of canal fairly close
but even that is closed both ends.

Nearest real river is the Thames at Cricklade which I used to fish right
down to Lechlade in my youth.

The Thames is still free fishing upstream of the dual carriageway
overpass to the first bridge upstream of Cricklade. It's not really the
sort of easy fishing Derek has in mind, though.

Actually, I'm after a few sticklebacks for my garden pond, I don't
suppose you'd care to share the location of your stickleback hunting
grounds? :0)

--
Steve Walker