OT Vista

I've been shopping for a laptop for my summer travels and it's hard to find
anything that doesn't have Vista as the OS ( I looked at the MacBook Pro but
don't want to spend that much to send e-mail and store a few photos
....besides Apple people always seem to be a bit weird :-)

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e. pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

On 2008-04-02, Larry L wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e. pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Yep. My buddy, who was a six figure income sysadmin, moved up from XP to
Vista. After 2 mos, he dumped it in a frustrated rage after it trashed his
HDD and he returned to XP.

Dell and Lenovo (formerly IBM) still sell XP laptops, but you'd better
hurry, as M$ is killing XP availability, shortly. Also, lest you be
tempted, M$ has a class action suit against it for falsely labeling "Vista
Capable" computers, which they are not.

nb (recommends Linux)

"notbob" wrote in message
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On 2008-04-02, Larry L wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e.
pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Yep. My buddy, who was a six figure income sysadmin, moved up from XP to
Vista. After 2 mos, he dumped it in a frustrated rage after it trashed
his
HDD and he returned to XP.

Dell and Lenovo (formerly IBM) still sell XP laptops, but you'd better
hurry, as M$ is killing XP availability, shortly. Also, lest you be
tempted, M$ has a class action suit against it for falsely labeling "Vista
Capable" computers, which they are not.

nb (recommends Linux)

does the Eula still apply - in that bit where it says if you don't not agree
with
the terms and conditions return the software to your retailer for a refund
or replacement.
Derek
(uk)

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e. pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Not really. I've been running it since the early betas, and now with SP1 it is
comparable in speed and stability to XP, at least for mainstream stuff. There's
a bit of a learning curve but not too bad. Most of the issues seem to deal with
legacy app's and peripherals.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e.
pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Not really. I've been running it since the early betas, and now with SP1
it is
comparable in speed and stability to XP, at least for mainstream stuff.
There's
a bit of a learning curve but not too bad. Most of the issues seem to deal
with
legacy app's and peripherals.

Ditto that...

If you are starting fresh and aren't planning to migrate pre Vista software,
you should be fine. We have started moving some users to Vista at work
without issues and my new (4 month old laptop) has been stable.

JT

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:40:10 -0700, "JT"
wrote:


"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e.
pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Not really. I've been running it since the early betas, and now with SP1
it is
comparable in speed and stability to XP, at least for mainstream stuff.
There's
a bit of a learning curve but not too bad. Most of the issues seem to deal
with
legacy app's and peripherals.

Ditto that...

If you are starting fresh and aren't planning to migrate pre Vista software,
you should be fine. We have started moving some users to Vista at work
without issues and my new (4 month old laptop) has been stable.

JT

To me, the pre-Vista issue is _MAJOR_ factor. For example, it took a
while for Garmin to catch up with XP SR2 - the software needed to
install maps, etc. didn't work with SP2 for a period, which was a major
PITA. I'd offer that one should really investigate what their needs are
before such an upgrade to the OS. This is among the reasons we haven't
upgraded yet.

TC,
R

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:59:57 -0500, wrote:

For example, it took a
while for Garmin to catch up with XP SR2 - the software needed to
install maps, etc. didn't work with SP2 for a period, which was a major
PITA.

FWIW, MapSource works fine on Vista.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:05:27 -0400, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:59:57 -0500, wrote:

For example, it took a
while for Garmin to catch up with XP SR2 - the software needed to
install maps, etc. didn't work with SP2 for a period, which was a major
PITA.

FWIW, MapSource works fine on Vista.

Oh, yeah, it now works on SP2 as well, but for a period of time (I can't
remember exactly how long, but it was more than a month, less than a
year) it didn't. As you can well imagine, having major issues with the
updating of nautical/offshore charts on chartplotters, GPSs, etc. in
larger boats, esp. in the wake of Katrina, was, um, well, not a good
thing.

TC,
R

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:40:10 -0700, "JT"
wrote:


"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L"

wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e.
pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Not really. I've been running it since the early betas, and now with SP1
it is
comparable in speed and stability to XP, at least for mainstream stuff.
There's
a bit of a learning curve but not too bad. Most of the issues seem to
deal
with
legacy app's and peripherals.

Ditto that...

If you are starting fresh and aren't planning to migrate pre Vista
software,
you should be fine. We have started moving some users to Vista at work
without issues and my new (4 month old laptop) has been stable.

JT

To me, the pre-Vista issue is _MAJOR_ factor. For example, it took a
while for Garmin to catch up with XP SR2 - the software needed to
install maps, etc. didn't work with SP2 for a period, which was a major
PITA. I'd offer that one should really investigate what their needs are
before such an upgrade to the OS. This is among the reasons we haven't
upgraded yet.

TC,
R

I would agree completely. I was going off Larry's first e-mail where he
mentioned using it for e-mail and saving photos. Had he mentioned adding
older software in the first post, I would have said no way.

JT

"JT" wrote

I would agree completely. I was going off Larry's first e-mail where he
mentioned using it for e-mail and saving photos. Had he mentioned adding
older software in the first post, I would have said no way.



I just went off to buy Rosetta Stone Spanish programs and noticed this

"
Current Rosetta Stone® products have been engineered to install and run on
the Windows Vista operating system. Some 3rd party components used in
Rosetta Stone products have not been certified by Microsoft as ‘Vista
Compliant’. Accordingly, you may encounter some Vista-related operating
issues. Rosetta Stone technical support may or may not be able to resolve
these Vista-related issues. Rosetta Stone hereby disclaims any
representations, warranties, guaranties and conditions with respect to the
compatibility of the Rosetta Stone products with the Windows Vista operating
systems"


So even though it's "engineered" for Vista, they don't expect it to work on
it !!