Montana Clave-Suggested flies?

Below is a list I got out of a magazine that are suggested for the area.
Any others that I should bring or I should delete from the list?

Bitch Creek Nymph

Brassie

Brown Wulff

CDC Rusty Spinner

PCM Transitional Dunn

CDC Trico Female

Chernobyl Hopper

Chernobyl Ant

Dave's Hopper

Elk Hair Caddis

Electric/Metallic Caddis

Emergent Sparkle Pupa

Flashback Pheasant Tail Nymph

Green Drake Cripple

Gulper Special

Hair Wing Dunn

Humpy

Improved Sofa Pillow

Kaufmann's Rubber Leg Stone

Foam Beetle

Muddler Minnow

Parachute Adams

Parachute Ant

Prince Nymph

Brown Drake Cripple

Sculpin Minnow

Serendipity

Sparkle Dunn

Trico Poly-Wing Spinner

Woolly Bugger



Chris

Padishar Creel wrote:
Below is a list I got out of a magazine that are suggested for the area.
Any others that I should bring or I should delete from the list?

Bitch Creek Nymph

I think that the list was a general list to cover the whole season. It's
not my home area, but I think it will be too early for Tricos. Early too
I think for the big hoppers and Chernobyl stuff. I'd add some PMD patterns.

Warren has some links that will show you the hatches most likely when we
are the

http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html

Willi

Good Point! Guess I only need to pack what is actually hatching...I took
this list from a year round type fly box listing.

Chris - Who is very excited about meeting some of you I have known from
this newsgroup for years.

"Willi" wrote in message
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Padishar Creel wrote:
Below is a list I got out of a magazine that are suggested for the area.
Any others that I should bring or I should delete from the list?

Bitch Creek Nymph

I think that the list was a general list to cover the whole season. It's
not my home area, but I think it will be too early for Tricos. Early too
I think for the big hoppers and Chernobyl stuff. I'd add some PMD
patterns.

Warren has some links that will show you the hatches most likely when we
are the

http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html

Willi

I don't care what's hatching;make sure you have Parachute Adams, Parachute
Adams, and Parachute Adams.

Lou T

On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:54:50 -0600, Willi wrote:





Padishar Creel wrote:
Below is a list I got out of a magazine that are suggested for the area.
Any others that I should bring or I should delete from the list?

Bitch Creek Nymph

I think that the list was a general list to cover the whole season. It's
not my home area, but I think it will be too early for Tricos. Early too
I think for the big hoppers and Chernobyl stuff. I'd add some PMD patterns.

Warren has some links that will show you the hatches most likely when we
are the

http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html

Willi



willi is right, PMD's will be the mayfly of choice at that time. The
PMD's on the Madison are a bit more orange than olive Maybe some
Flav's. Caddis in tan, olive and brown in16-18's . Golden stone
nymphs and dries...ants and beetles for sure. If you float finds some
foam bugs/indictors.
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

chris wrote:snipBelow is a list I got out of a magazine that are suggested for
the area.
Any others that I should bring or I should delete from the list?


I am surprised that there are no soft hackles on the list. i never go anywhere
without a few partridge and yellows, partridge and greens, partridge and
oranges, and of course some red asses.

Big Dale

wrote...
Below is a list I got out of a magazine that are suggested for the area.
Any others that I should bring or I should delete from the list?

To answer you question: lots. :-)

Bitch Creek Nymph

Good stonefly pattern, but also consider girdle bugs, George
Anderson's rubber-legged brownstone, Kauffman's, etc.

Brassie

Red and green #12-#16

Brown Wulff

See hatch charts and decide for self.

CDC Rusty Spinner

See above.

PCM Transitional Dunn

PMD? Bring!

CDC Trico Female

Possibly in some waters in the area, but I would consider it a
remote possibility of a minor hatch.

Chernobyl Hopper

Yes

Chernobyl Ant

Yes

Dave's Hopper

Yes, yes and HELL yes. Schroders, foam, et al are needed too. It
will be early in the hopper season so go with smaller flies instead
of larger. Dave's Hoppers look cool, but I like other patterns that
float better personally. Dave's are great for slower moving waters.

Elk Hair Caddis

Definitely.

Electric/Metallic Caddis

Definitely.

Emergent Sparkle Pupa

Definitely.

Flashback Pheasant Tail Nymph

Wouldn't be caught dead without them.

Green Drake Cripple

Uhhhhhhh......

Gulper Special

WTF is that? The name is familiar...

Hair Wing Dunn

See above.

Humpy

Definitely: Yellow and red are good.

Improved Sofa Pillow

DEFINITELY.

Kaufmann's Rubber Leg Stone

YES.

Foam Beetle

Damn straight!

Muddler Minnow

Need you ask? Okay, how about a "hell yes"?????

Parachute Adams

Ask Lou. g

Parachute Ant

Yeah.

Prince Nymph

Yes. Zug Bugs are very good too.

Brown Drake Cripple

If it's brown, it's down. Oh wait, that's hunting season. g

Sculpin Minnow

Sculpins are a large part of the "big fish diet" out here. Bring a
sink tip line too.

Serendipity

Green/olive.

Sparkle Dunn

Yes.

Trico Poly-Wing Spinner

Maybe.

Woolly Bugger

If you are into that kind of thing. ;-)

I have several hatch charts up on the clave webpage, but Harry put a
lot of time and effort based upon his personal experiences fishing
the exact same areas we will be fishing when he listed suggestions
for the Clave Flies at:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S56E51FC7

Be sure to use the listings in the sidebar to navigate.

Knowing how you like "updates" I thought I would let you know what
is going on right now. The rivers are falling and runoff season has
been coming and going based upon the weather. As it warms, more
snow melts causing the rivers to pick up some color. We haven't had
any snow in the last two weeks or so, but we have been getting a ton
of rain compared to the last couple of years. My yard has been wet
for the last three days and I can't mow my lawn because of the rain
showers. This is very, very good. Not only is the moisture going
directly into the soil, but it is helping the melting snow go into
the rivers/reservoirs. Most of the moisture is going directly into
the ground, but with the amounts we are getting, more will
eventually end up in the rivers. This graph and info is a bit
misleading, but check it out:

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/mt/nwis/uv?06043500

The reason why it is misleading is that we still have 47% snowpack
for the Gallatin (the same river/drainage graph as above).
Temperatures have fluctuated quite a bit and we get warm spells
punctuated by cooler, rainy spells. Much of the snowpack has held
on despite the rainfall/warm weather in the valleys. The rains have
caused the water levels to rise, but the snowpacks have actually
increased for the Gallatin in the last week. This could be because
of new snowfall in the high country or a slower melt than normal.
It was actually at 40% 5 days ago and is now at 47% for whatever
reason. The season is basically all over the place and hatches come
and go based upon conditions. It was predicted the salmonfly hatch
would be three weeks early this year, but they haven't shown up yet.
I hope they don't show up too early because I still have some
paperwork to get done before I am ready for the season to start. :-(

I will be doing a float either late this week or early next week
with one of my bosses and a co-worker to check things out on the
Madison and have my Stonefly-dar set at maximum right now. Despite
all of my local contacts, I haven't heard of any stones coming off
locally YET. I am hoping that the weather continues as is and that
the hatch comes off during the normal timeframe for the sake of the
clave. I would LOVE getting you guys into that hatch on the Upper
Madison during the clave. The local rivers have cleared up quite a
bit so instead of going out of town to fish, I plan on really
hammering the local rivers in the near future and I'll keep you guys
posted.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt on either yahoo or earthlink to respond via email)

We stayed at a great little cabin about 20 mins away from the Madison
and 10 min away from Henery's you can see the web site at
www.islandparkrental.com; Fishing was great.

Mike