On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?

Charlie Choc wrote:
On 25 Jul 2006 19:01:41 -0700, "riverman" wrote:


Charlie Choc wrote:
On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote:

That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it
for them.

Just because their approach (hyperbole) resonates with you doesn't mean it will
work on a majority.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

Agreed. Keep in mind that the same link to the PETA anti-fish webpage
had a link to 'chickens have feelings too' and 'pigs have feelings too'
and 'cows have feelings too' webpages. My bet is that sportfishing will
meets its demise shortly after KFC and MickyD's go under.

As the Timbo's say: "When it comes to feelings, a child is a dog is a fish." I
guess that means that it's OK to harm a child or dog as long as you kill and eat
it afterwards.

Yes, this is true, but only in some cultures.

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel.

On 26 Jul 2006 09:10:04 -0700, wrote:

As the Timbo's say: "When it comes to feelings, a child is a dog is a fish." I
guess that means that it's OK to harm a child or dog as long as you kill and eat
it afterwards.

Yes, this is true, but only in some cultures.

Trick or treat must be 'interesting' for the little tykes that stop by chez Tim.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

jeffc wrote:
"Fred Lebow" wrote in message
...

Esp Americans like George W Bush
He surely represents most Americans


Sad but true - the problem with America isn't Bush. It's Americans.



well, sorta but not exactly...though, i agree insofar as americans on
election days. still, bush is definitely an american problem.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:10:31 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:



Sometimes not so subtle. As I'm sure you remember, we came very close to a
shooting war over fishing rights in northern Wisconsin as recently as
fifteen years ago. There were numerous violent incidents. It is little
short of a miracle that no one got killed.....this time. The fire is under
control, for the moment, but it is by no means out. I'll be much surprised
if it doesn't flare up again in the not too distant future.

Of course, this particular set of circumstances was exacerbated by virulent
racism but any attempt to ban fishing (in the instant case, it was only
about the perception that one group was getting more than its fair
share......well, ostensibly, anyway) WOULD be met with lethal opposition.

Wolfgang

In subtle, I was thinking more of leaving no evidence. Like the
tourist or two that got in what they thought was some minor
disagreement up there and were, reportedly, fed to the pigs. Some do
have brains enough not to have a loud fight on the street in front of
the bar first. Locals, that is. Can't speak for tourists on that,
though if the ones I've toured with are an example, many tourists have
more sense, too. But I doubt most PETAs do.
--

r.bc: vixen
Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc..
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

wrote:
Charlie Choc wrote:
On 25 Jul 2006 19:01:41 -0700, "riverman" wrote:


Charlie Choc wrote:
On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote:

That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it
for them.
.

As the Timbo's say: "When it comes to feelings, a child is a dog is a fish." I
guess that means that it's OK to harm a child or dog as long as you kill and eat
it afterwards.

Yes, this is true, but only in some cultures.

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel.

.... and which cultures would those be?

Wolfgang wrote:
"Cyli" wrote in message
...
On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote:

(snipped)

That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has
stipulated
for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes
invade
the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will
lend
new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport."

That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it
for them.

I think he was referring to the backwoods attitudes. Small town WI
and UP is a bit more forceful about what they think their rights are
than the left and right coast urbanites are. Actually, small town
backwoods anywhere is pretty forceful, though sometimes they're quiet
and subtle about it.

Sometimes not so subtle. As I'm sure you remember, we came very close to a
shooting war over fishing rights in northern Wisconsin as recently as
fifteen years ago. There were numerous violent incidents. It is little
short of a miracle that no one got killed.....this time. The fire is under
control, for the moment, but it is by no means out. I'll be much surprised
if it doesn't flare up again in the not too distant future.

Of course, this particular set of circumstances was exacerbated by virulent
racism but any attempt to ban fishing (in the instant case, it was only
about the perception that one group was getting more than its fair
share......well, ostensibly, anyway) WOULD be met with lethal opposition.

Wolfgang

These people are not releasing their catch because they're real
fishermen (as opposed to wet golfers). They're not in danger of losing
anything.

Halfordian Golfer
Guilt replaced the creel.

RalphH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be
banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing
would be causal for this.



Tim - I am disappointed that after some years hiatus all you can come up
with is the same old PETA/AR Loon propaganda and that tired old paper from a
committee funded by Norway's department of agriculture - which was not the
Ministry that even had jurisdiction over sport fishing in that country. The
paper like most government commissioned papers was meaningless and ignored.

For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that
many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation
guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think
will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum?
[snip]

Hi Ralph,

As I have already documented, starting with the state parks.

http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html
http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel.

On 27 Jul 2006 11:22:25 -0700, wrote:


RalphH wrote:

For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that
many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation
guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think
will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum?
[snip]

Hi Ralph,

As I have already documented, starting with the state parks.

http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html
http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129

You crack me up, Tim. These are your examples of "serious political momentum"?
g
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

In article . com,
says...

RalphH wrote:
Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum?
[snip]

Hi Ralph,

As I have already documented, starting with the state parks.

http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html

Title: "PETA Asks State Park Officials to Ban Fishing in State Parks"

http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm

Title: "DNR refuses to ban fishing in state parks"

PETA requested Missouri to ban fishing.


http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129

"The animal rights agitators [PETA] have called on the Louisiana Office
of State Parks to ban the "violent activity" of fishing at all state
parks in the state that proudly calls itself the Sportsman's Paradise. "


This is your justification? Even for you, this is a weak effort.

Yeah, PETA want's to ban fishing, big news there. Question was, can
you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had SERIOUS POLITICAL
MOMENTUM. Your "documented evidence" suggests there is none.
- Ken

wrote:

RalphH wrote:

For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that
many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation
guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think
will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum?

[snip]

Hi Ralph,

As I have already documented, starting with the state parks.

http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html
http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129

Hmmm ... that certainly doesn't appear to be what I would call
"serious momentum", especially given that the two spokespeople for the
parks are quoted as saying they don't see any circumstances under which
fishing would be banned.


Chuck Vance (hardly a groundswell, IMHO)