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"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message

I've never been in a casino (in 45+ years of playing craps)

I've been playing for 32 years.
Well Bob, everyone has their strategy for playing craps.
It's actually a very simple game.
fwiw,
-tom

Bob,
I have serious long-time craps player friends, darn good players with a lot
of experience. Lately there has been 4-5 of us who go up and play the same
table at the same time. So another words we hit them pretty hard for about
an hour to 1.5 hours and get out. We all pretty much play the same way, and
know exactly how the shooter is setting the dice, using inconspicuous hand
signals. What's funny is the casino staff has no clue what's going on. And
of course we tip pretty well, so it keeps them happy and off guard.
fwiw,
-tom

Tom Nakashima wrote:

I have serious long-time craps player friends, darn good players with a lot
of experience. Lately there has been 4-5 of us who go up and play the same
table at the same time. So another words we hit them pretty hard for about
an hour to 1.5 hours and get out. We all pretty much play the same way, and
know exactly how the shooter is setting the dice, using inconspicuous hand
signals. What's funny is the casino staff has no clue what's going on. And
of course we tip pretty well, so it keeps them happy and off guard.

LOL !! Speaking of craps, it's about time to trade in the hip
boots for the waders because the craps around here is getting
pretty damn deep. *In other words* what a pantload, setting the
dice, hand signals, hit them hard, and it's the casino staff
who hasn't a clue ?!?

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:

I have serious long-time craps player friends, darn good players with a
lot of experience. Lately there has been 4-5 of us who go up and play
the same table at the same time. So another words we hit them pretty
hard for about an hour to 1.5 hours and get out. We all pretty much play
the same way, and know exactly how the shooter is setting the dice, using
inconspicuous hand signals. What's funny is the casino staff has no clue
what's going on. And of course we tip pretty well, so it keeps them happy
and off guard.

LOL !! Speaking of craps, it's about time to trade in the hip
boots for the waders because the craps around here is getting
pretty damn deep. *In other words* what a pantload, setting the
dice, hand signals, hit them hard, and it's the casino staff
who hasn't a clue ?!?

--
Ken Fortenberry

You're right Ken,
after all it is a fly-fishing newsgroup.
enough of the crap
fwiw,
-tom

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Tom Nakashima wrote:
I have serious long-time craps player friends, darn good players with a
lot of experience. Lately there has been 4-5 of us who go up and play
the same table at the same time. So another words we hit them pretty
hard for about an hour to 1.5 hours and get out. We all pretty much play
the same way, and know exactly how the shooter is setting the dice, using
inconspicuous hand signals. What's funny is the casino staff has no clue
what's going on. And of course we tip pretty well, so it keeps them happy
and off guard.
LOL !! Speaking of craps, it's about time to trade in the hip
boots for the waders because the craps around here is getting
pretty damn deep. *In other words* what a pantload, setting the
dice, hand signals, hit them hard, and it's the casino staff
who hasn't a clue ?!?

You're right Ken,
after all it is a fly-fishing newsgroup.
enough of the crap

If you want to try to bull**** a whole newsgroup full of fly
fishermen (read: bull****ters) you're gonna have to come up
with something a lot better than *that* fairy tale of craps.

I mean I was born at night, but it wasn't *last* night. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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Bob,
I have serious long-time craps player friends, darn good players with a
lot of experience. Lately there has been 4-5 of us who go up and play
the same table at the same time. So another words we hit them pretty hard
for about an hour to 1.5 hours and get out. We all pretty much play the
same way, and know exactly how the shooter is setting the dice, using
inconspicuous hand signals. What's funny is the casino staff has no clue
what's going on. And of course we tip pretty well, so it keeps them happy
and off guard.
fwiw,
-tom

Got a hint for you Tom, it doesn't matter whether they have a clue or not.
They couldn't care less. Unless the person shooting is an accomplished
"mechanic" with the dice, it doesn't matter how the shooter is setting the
dice. The casinos are pretty sharp at spotting mechanics and Blackjack card
counters and barring them from the casinos, but they love to see people who
think they have a "system " that will guarantee consistently winning at
craps. If you and your friends win every time by following your belief that
you
have an advantage over the house and are putting something over on them, you
are either lying to yourselves and
others or incredibly lucky. Just to enlighten yourself why don't you keep
track of your total net return from craps over the next three months and get
back
to us.
I do as well on a long term basis at the craps table as anyone I know or
have seen and I often am at the
tables several times each week. I make only those bets that give the house
the least edge and I fully utilize all the comps that are available. Still,
I know better than to consider my gambling more than a form of
entertainment - very cheap for me as I usually do well in craps tournaments
where the tournament reward is based solely on my performance relative to
others in the tournament gambling at the same time.

Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:02:25 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message

I've never been in a casino (in 45+ years of playing craps)

I've been playing for 32 years.
Well Bob, everyone has their strategy for playing craps.
It's actually a very simple game.
fwiw,
-tom

Bob,
I have serious long-time craps player friends, darn good players with a lot
of experience. Lately there has been 4-5 of us who go up and play the same
table at the same time. So another words we hit them pretty hard for about
an hour to 1.5 hours and get out. We all pretty much play the same way, and
know exactly how the shooter is setting the dice, using inconspicuous hand
signals. What's funny is the casino staff has no clue what's going on. And
of course we tip pretty well, so it keeps them happy and off guard.

Uh, OK...

BTW, do any old guys claiming to be old-time gamblers with names like
Laredo Skinny or El Paso Flaco or something try to take the dice out of
you girls' hands and tell y'all that you don't know what the **** you
are doing? If so, LISTEN TO 'EM!!!

FWIW,
R
fwiw,
-tom

On Mar 8, 4:05 pm, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:
...I know better than to consider my gambling more than a form of
entertainment - very cheap for me as I usually do well in craps tournaments
where the tournament reward is based solely on my performance relative to
others in the tournament gambling at the same time.

This is very interesting stuff. It never occurred to me to wonder
whether or not anyone I've ever encountered was a gambler.....largely
because gambling looms very low and small in my mind anyway (except
for an occasional lottery ticket) I suppose, but also because I just
don't spend a lot of time speculating about the details of other
people's lives. That said, I think that you would probably have come
out very low on the list if someone had convinced me to try to
identify gamblers among my acquaintences (and yes, obviously, cyber-
acquaintances count).

Anyway, I've never heard of tournament craps.....never even played
myself.....but I've stood at a table and watched.....once.....back in
December. Simple enough game, made more alluring by the wide range of
ways to lose and differing degrees of the probability of doing so.
Given the nature of the game, it occurs to me that the line separating
the merely good players from the very best must be a much finer one
than in most endeavors and that lady luck holds ALL the face cards.
Does this accord with your experience?

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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That said, I think that you would probably have come
out very low on the list if someone had convinced me to try to
identify gamblers among my acquaintences (and yes, obviously, cyber-
acquaintances count).

Most of the sucessful gamblers I know (i.e those that come out ahead often
enough that their gambling is at worst not a significant burden on their
financial situation) have personalities that most people would not likely
associate with a gambler.

Anyway, I've never heard of tournament craps.....never even played
myself.....but I've stood at a table and watched.....once.....back in
December. Simple enough game, made more alluring by the wide range of
ways to lose and differing degrees of the probability of doing so.
Given the nature of the game, it occurs to me that the line separating
the merely good players from the very best must be a much finer one
than in most endeavors and that lady luck holds ALL the face cards.
Does this accord with your experience?

Wolfgang

Lady luck holds most but not all the face cards in a craps tournament. Craps
tournaments are structured such that all the players start with the same
amount of money and then play for a preset time (usually 1/2hr.). The player
with the most money at the end of that time wins - second most gets second
prize, etc. One of the rules is that the amount of money a player has in the
tournament must be visible to all the other players at all times during the
tournament. This makes the strategy re the type of bets one makes very
important. For instance, I once took second in a tournament by using the
following strategy: With about 8 minutes to go in the tournament I looked
around and noticed that based on the pattern of the other players' betting,
unless there was an extremely hot run of the dice I had 2nd place locked
up-but little chance of getting first place- if I just stayed even with
where I was at that time. I could and did pretty much guarantee this by
betting the minimum amount on both pass and don't pass simultaneously for
the remainder of the tournament. Though tournament rules require a
participant to have an interest (pass or don't pass) in the point at all
times during the tournament, they allow what I did. By way of further
example, the bets that have the highest payout ratio also have the highest
advantage for the house , so in the long run they are very poor bets.- e.g
hitting a 12 on one roll pays 30:1 but there is only one way to make a
twelve out of the 36 possible combinations on the dice, so the house has
close to 17% edge on that bet as opposed to a straight pass line bets -
taking maximum odds once the point is established - where overall the house
has less than a 2 1/2% edge. However, in a short duration tournament it
might be smart to bet the 12 (or similarly high payoff bet) if by hitting it
at the right time ( when losing that bet won't affect your tournament
standing, but winning can put you in the tournament payout). Knowing the
betting patterns of the others who may be in the tournament , though not as
important as in poker, is quite important in craps tournaments if you are
going to do well with any semblance of consistency.

"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
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I do as well on a long term basis at the craps table as anyone I know or
have seen and I often am at the
tables several times each week. I make only those bets that give the house
the least edge and I fully utilize all the comps that are available.
Still, I know better than to consider my gambling more than a form of
entertainment - very cheap for me as I usually do well in craps
tournaments where the tournament reward is based solely on my performance
relative to others in the tournament gambling at the same time.

Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR

Bob, I have no interest in tournaments
For us, by knowing the sets of the dice, 3v's or 7 sets, lets "us" know what
the shooter is setting, as sometimes we're spread out pretty good around the
table. We actually do pretty well. And since we're not playing against
others, we have a very conservative style of play. One of two wins on
place bets, and take-em down. We usually start out somewhat low on our
wagers, $60 on the 6 & 8, and or $50 on the 5 and 9. If we inch ahead we
double our wagers, $120 on the 6 and the 8. Or further ahead we play the
inside game, with $100 on the 5 and the 9. but seldom do we place the 4 &
10. Add in the random "lays" on the 4 or the 10 for $2 big ones, and
that's pretty much our simple game plan. On some occasions we play the
"Don'ts". Passline and taking the odds only when we're shooting. It's
conservative, but we inch ahead. We pretty much stay clear of all other
bets on the table. Rarely do I see anyone take down their place bets, as we
do it pretty often.

I purchased a 2nd home in Henderson when the housing market went crazy up
there. Couldn't believe housing was so cheap, so I paid cash for it. Now I
have a place to stay when I layover.

What's funny, is I have ran into some good craps players in fly-fishing.

Good luck with your play in tournaments,
fwiw,
-tom

"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
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...Knowing the betting patterns of the others who may be in the tournament
, though not as important as in poker, is quite important in craps
tournaments if you are going to do well with any semblance of consistency.

A great deal more than I ever thought I'd learn about craps. Thanks, Bob.

Wolfgang