IMO, the final words on hot or boiling water and mono...

"Mike" wrote in message
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... By far the most valuable lesson I've learned
is that it pays to listen to others. Rather than showing people how
much you know it's better to listen and pay attention. .

yup.
Tom

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:54:05 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:


Oh and one last but extremely germane point Dickie boy. If you nail
your leaders to the wall, you are exposing them to light, which will
damage them, and also greater oxidation, which will be exacerbated by
any temperature changes. They will become brittle quite quickly, and
be extremely risky to use.

If you require confirmation of these observations, I am sure RIO wont
mind you giving them another call?

Just because a nail in the wall works for your Picasso´s Dickie boy,
does not mean it will work for anything else.

MC

OK, Mr. Wizard, what kind of light will damage them and how will it
cause greater oxidation? And how will the temperature change be greater
(or less) wherever they are in the room, in a vest, a storage wallet, or
on a leader rack?

Hee, hee, hee...

wrote:



OK, Mr. Wizard, what kind of light will damage them and how will it
cause greater oxidation? And how will the temperature change be greater
(or less) wherever they are in the room, in a vest, a storage wallet, or
on a leader rack?

Hee, hee, hee...

Well Dickie boy, one day you may see the light, and then you´´ll know.

I suppose in the meantime, you will just have to keep nailing various
things to the wall?

MC

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:02:39 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

I just found this as well, which Myron posted. There are so many
thread on this stuuf now that it is hard to follow;

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=519707

for anybody too lazy to read it ( and for Oakies, who apparently don´t
know what links are for)

QUOTE


Our local guide and assistant coach was a man named Antonio. He
introduced us to the techniques and flies that they use in northern
Portugal. Tony was very well versed in some techniques and tips that
we here in the USA have probably not seen to much of. I thought I'd
share some of them with you and maybe you can use a few of them on
your home waters.

1. Boiling your leaders - Much of the fishing we did was at a very
short distance with extremely light tippets. Tony boiled his leaders
for 5 minutes. The bioling turned them into basically one solid length
of shock gum with very little loss of breaking strength. We dry fly
fished with 7 foot of tippet and a 9 foot leader. With a quick hook
set the stretch and suppleness of a boiled leader kept us from
breaking off fish.

Well, then, I suggest anyone who wishes seek out Tony and become his
disciple...maybe you two could, er, hook up and form the most powerful
fishing information league the world has ever seen...OTOH, if one wants
"shock gum," RIO sells it...rather than supplying a recipe and a
teakettle with their leaders...

Oh, by-the-by...Tony is just as wrong as you...is Tony's last name
"Germuga" and does he hate them scaramouches and jamokes at some store
somewhere in Yankeeland?

MEOW,
R

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:33:05 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:



wrote:



OK, Mr. Wizard, what kind of light will damage them and how will it
cause greater oxidation? And how will the temperature change be greater
(or less) wherever they are in the room, in a vest, a storage wallet, or
on a leader rack?

Hee, hee, hee...

Well Dickie boy, one day you may see the light, and then you´´ll know.

I suppose in the meantime, you will just have to keep nailing various
things to the wall?

MC

Yeah, that's what I figured...as usual, you don't have a clue about what
you're talking about...

Hee, hee, hee,
R

wrote:



Yeah, that's what I figured...as usual, you don't have a clue about what
you're talking about...

Hee, hee, hee,
R

Cretin

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:11:21 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


"Mike" wrote in message
news:65551523-5a04-46f4-86d3-

... By far the most valuable lesson I've learned
is that it pays to listen to others. Rather than showing people how
much you know it's better to listen and pay attention. .

yup.
Tom



Irony at its best.

On 15 Nov, 23:36, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:02:39 -0800 (PST), Mike



wrote:
I just found this as well, which Myron posted. There are so many
thread on this stuuf now that it is hard to follow;

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=519707

for anybody too lazy to read it ( and for Oakies, who apparently don´t
know what links are for)

QUOTE

Our local guide and assistant coach was a man named Antonio. He
introduced us to the techniques and flies that they use in northern
Portugal. Tony was very well versed in some techniques and tips that
we here in the USA have probably not seen to much of. I thought I'd
share some of them with you and maybe you can use a few of them on
your home waters.

1. Boiling your leaders - Much of the fishing we did was at a very
short distance with extremely light tippets. Tony boiled his leaders
for 5 minutes. The bioling turned them into basically one solid length
of shock gum with very little loss of breaking strength. We dry fly
fished with 7 foot of tippet and a 9 foot leader. With a quick hook
set the stretch and suppleness of a boiled leader kept us from
breaking off fish.

Well, then, I suggest anyone who wishes seek out Tony and become his
disciple...maybe you two could, er, hook up and form the most powerful
fishing information league the world has ever seen...OTOH, if one wants
"shock gum," RIO sells it...rather than supplying a recipe and a
teakettle with their leaders...

Oh, by-the-by...Tony is just as wrong as you...is Tony's last name
"Germuga" and does he hate them scaramouches and jamokes at some store
somewhere in Yankeeland?

MEOW,
R

Fortunately for anybody with any sense Dickie boy, you saying so does
not make anything wrong. Indeed, after reading a number of your posts,
it would not surprise me to learn that a lot of people simply ignore
you anyway, as there is not even amusement value in most of them.

After a while, your boyish bull**** and bravado just gets old and
boring Dickie boy, and people realise that is exactly what it seems to
be, immature nonsense from an adult who ought to know better.

MC

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:17:22 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

On 15 Nov, 23:36, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:02:39 -0800 (PST), Mike



wrote:
I just found this as well, which Myron posted. There are so many
thread on this stuuf now that it is hard to follow;

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=519707

for anybody too lazy to read it ( and for Oakies, who apparently don´t
know what links are for)

QUOTE

Our local guide and assistant coach was a man named Antonio. He
introduced us to the techniques and flies that they use in northern
Portugal. Tony was very well versed in some techniques and tips that
we here in the USA have probably not seen to much of. I thought I'd
share some of them with you and maybe you can use a few of them on
your home waters.

1. Boiling your leaders - Much of the fishing we did was at a very
short distance with extremely light tippets. Tony boiled his leaders
for 5 minutes. The bioling turned them into basically one solid length
of shock gum with very little loss of breaking strength. We dry fly
fished with 7 foot of tippet and a 9 foot leader. With a quick hook
set the stretch and suppleness of a boiled leader kept us from
breaking off fish.

Well, then, I suggest anyone who wishes seek out Tony and become his
disciple...maybe you two could, er, hook up and form the most powerful
fishing information league the world has ever seen...OTOH, if one wants
"shock gum," RIO sells it...rather than supplying a recipe and a
teakettle with their leaders...

Oh, by-the-by...Tony is just as wrong as you...is Tony's last name
"Germuga" and does he hate them scaramouches and jamokes at some store
somewhere in Yankeeland?

MEOW,
R

Fortunately for anybody with any sense Dickie boy, you saying so does
not make anything wrong. Indeed, after reading a number of your posts,
it would not surprise me to learn that a lot of people simply ignore
you anyway, as there is not even amusement value in most of them.

After a while, your boyish bull**** and bravado just gets old and
boring Dickie boy, and people realise that is exactly what it seems to
be, immature nonsense from an adult who ought to know better.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I'm pretty sure 'tripper don't swing that way, but hey, it'll be fun to
watch you try...

Dickie boy

It's a rainy, dreary day here in SE PA, so no trouting for me. But
the 2 threads (pun) on leader boiling provided me some jollies.

I don't want to add fuel to the fire (not taking sides on boiling
water for leaders, tea or underwear - Fruite de la Loome?), but I
wanted to add some technical information gleaned from 4 semi-fun years
at a technical institution in New England and that many decades at the
company that invented nylon and a few other miracles of science.

There's plenty of room for members having a variety of experiences,
since there are a lot more just one nylon. There are also
copolymers. I've also run into tippets that had a coating over a
core. We'll save discussion on fluorocarbons for another time/

The members seem to have good knowledge about melting points. But
thermoplastics, including nylon, have another yet undiscussed
characteristic: the second order thermodynamic property, glass
transition temperature. This is the point below which polymers act
like a glass and above which they become rubbery.

Other distinguishing factors with nylon (besides the obvious ones of
composition) are molecular weight, MW distribution, cross linking
density (if any), thermal history - such as with dyeing, dynamic
history - how stretched it was as it was spun and drawn, inherent
moisture content.

Nylons don't oxidize as readily as some other polymers, but they are
subject to degradation. High energy EMF (Gamma irradiates their
tippet and tennis string) and UV light, as well as free radical attack
will change the tippet properties (possibly for the better). Over
time, low molecular, lightly bound entities which might function as
plasticizers will be fugititve, and you might find your tippet getting
stiffer and less elastic (not the same things) with age.

One parting thought - those of you boiling eggs or leaders at high
altitudes will find your temperatures slightly different. It makes a
difference for me with soft boiled eggs and tea - dunno yet about
leaders.

tl
les