Fast vs Slow Rods

Frank Reid wrote:
I understand that many folks really like the slow rods, hence
the comments about glass and boo. I, on the other hand, like
a really fast rod (for 4wt or heavier).

Why - does it cast better under water?
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On Nov 20, 12:00 pm, Frank Reid wrote:

I understand that many folks really like the slow rods, hence the
comments about glass and boo. I, on the other hand, like a really
fast rod (for 4wt or heavier). I use an ADG Titan 8' 4wt. Its my
favorite rod and Roger Olsen declared it "dangerous." This after
watching him blast multiple casts across to the far bank at the Cabin
Run at Penns (and yes, it is an 8 foot 4wt)!


Roger Ohlund. I remember watching that. Fish were not being
cooperative that afternoon, so we all lolled on the river bank,
occasionally taking fruitless turns at displaying all manner of flies
to uncooperative trout.

Until Roger stood up and began casting. It was like watching a freak
show. Of course, a freak show performed by a six foot three chiseled
Odin. Roger threw perfectly formed loops with- easily- one hundred
feet of line out. I felt ashamed of my own casting skills after
watching that display. His rod, Frank's rod, didn't seem to matter.

I think that was the day that he shamed us all into eating salad-
SALAD- with our steak at clave central. Salad at a clave. Who knew?

Bill

claspy...were you at the poker game? i sweartagod i can't remember
seeing you that week... of course, my recall of many past events is
quite poor. but, i think most of us were amazed at the pure talent
roger exhibited with a flyrod. i've always admired the beauty of the
casting ability some of our friends here possess, but roger was the
finest flycaster i have ever witnessed. one day, i hope to be able to
see him do it again...i'll even gladly eat the salad.

jeff

On Nov 20, 11:49 am, wrote:
On Nov 20, 12:00 pm, Frank Reid wrote:

I understand that many folks really like the slow rods, hence the
comments about glass and boo. I, on the other hand, like a really
fast rod (for 4wt or heavier). I use an ADG Titan 8' 4wt. Its my
favorite rod and Roger Olsen declared it "dangerous." This after
watching him blast multiple casts across to the far bank at the Cabin
Run at Penns (and yes, it is an 8 foot 4wt)!

Roger Ohlund. I remember watching that. Fish were not being
cooperative that afternoon, so we all lolled on the river bank,
occasionally taking fruitless turns at displaying all manner of flies
to uncooperative trout.

Until Roger stood up and began casting. It was like watching a freak
show. Of course, a freak show performed by a six foot three chiseled
Odin. Roger threw perfectly formed loops with- easily- one hundred
feet of line out. I felt ashamed of my own casting skills after
watching that display. His rod, Frank's rod, didn't seem to matter.

I think that was the day that he shamed us all into eating salad-
SALAD- with our steak at clave central. Salad at a clave. Who knew?

Ohlund, Olsen, its all Swedish to me. :-d He's also the first person
I've ever met that threw brocolli and califlower on two pieces of
bread and called it a sandwich.
Oh, by the way, I can't remember the motivation behind eating the
salad. Was it to cast like a 6'3" chiseled Odin or look like a 6'3"
chiseled Odin?
Frank "5'7" of Molded Budda" Reid

On Nov 20, 4:49 pm, "Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net wrote:
I understand that many folks really like the slow rods, hence the
comments about glass and boo. I, on the other hand, like a really
fast rod (for 4wt or heavier). I use an ADG Titan 8' 4wt. Its my
favorite rod and Roger Olsen declared it "dangerous." This after
watching him blast multiple casts across to the far bank at the Cabin
Run at Penns (and yes, it is an 8 foot 4wt)!
Question, what other brand/model fly rods are on the market that you
would consider really fast? Someone handed me their "fast" T&T that
felt slow as molasses. Looking at the market for Xmas and want to
narrow down the field (though I may just go and get ADG).
Frank Reid

Frank,
Check out the Temple Fork. I picked one up at the fly shop the other day (no
reel & line on rod) and it seemed to have alot, and I mean alot, of
backbone. My preference are light, fast rods sesitive at the very tip.
mmm... I have been connsidering purchasing a Temple Fork. Let me know what
you think after you have tested one.

Guy

Got a TF. Not there. Its pretty slow.
Frank Reid

I understand that many folks really like the slow rods, hence
the comments about glass and boo. I, on the other hand, like
a really fast rod (for 4wt or heavier).

Why - does it cast better under water?

Thats just mean.
Frank WWFD Reid

"Frank Reid" wrote in message
...
Looking at the market for Xmas and want to
narrow down the field (though I may just go and get ADG).

The bar on fast action rods has been raised and passed....

Winston BIImx. Can you say 100' casts with a fishable tip and NO DOUBLE
HAUL?

Puts the Sage Xi2 and anything from Loomis to shame.

"Mike" wrote in message
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Last week I gave a guy some lessons, and he
turned up with a very soft rod. He wanted to double haul for distance
while sea trout fishing in the sea. Such a rod is quite useless for
that.

Oh come on, you know better than that! Difficult for a beginning caster
maybe but useless? People were doing that with grass and glass before the
onset of high speed graphite rods.

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:18:26 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


"Mike" wrote in message
...

Last week I gave a guy some lessons, and he
turned up with a very soft rod. He wanted to double haul for distance
while sea trout fishing in the sea. Such a rod is quite useless for
that.

Oh come on, you know better than that! Difficult for a beginning caster
maybe but useless? People were doing that with grass and glass before the
onset of high speed graphite rods.

Maybe a bit of hyperbole....I still have a tubular glass 9/8 that today I'd
consider *nearly* useless for double-hauling for distance - it simply doesn't
have enough backbone to generate the line speed needed to throw a full 8
weight line, even in calm air.

Fitted with a shooting head and thin running line might help, I reckon, but I
still wouldn't try it without a helmet and a heavy coat...

/daytripper

"daytripper" wrote in message
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Maybe a bit of hyperbole....I still have a tubular glass 9/8 that today
I'd
consider *nearly* useless for double-hauling for distance - it simply
doesn't
have enough backbone to generate the line speed needed to throw a full 8
weight line, even in calm air.

I got yer hyperbole, we know it can be done and has been done with some of
the old stuff, "we" sure the heck didn't come up with it. BTW cast a BL5
lately? maybe not grass nor glass but definitely not fast.

On 21 Nov, 04:18, "Wayne Knight" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

...

Last week I gave a guy some lessons, and he
turned up with a very soft rod. He wanted to double haul for distance
while sea trout fishing in the sea. Such a rod is quite useless for
that.

Oh come on, you know better than that! Difficult for a beginning caster
maybe but useless? People were doing that with grass and glass before the
onset of high speed graphite rods.

It´s still pretty useless with a soft #8 weight rod and a 35 ft #11
shooting head. Quite impossible for a beginner. A very good caster can
get it out a ways, but not even remotely comparable to what he might
achieve with a fast rod.

Fast rods will always cast further than soft rods, in the right hands.
That is why distance casters use fast rods exclusively.

TL
MC