When is a whip

"Ergo" wrote
"Matt (IS Team)" wrote

"caroline" wrote

Thanks all for your replies...


So I have a 6m telescopic....but, it uses elastic, bungs etc.

I was advised at the time of purchase to run a no.8 elastic through it,
which I have done...

At the weekend I christened it with a good fight from a rainbow trout
(just over 2½lb) on sweetcorn....sweet or what ;o)
Followed by a second trout later in the day, still on sweetcorn but
giving less of a fight...

Was great to see the elastic working really hard as it was my first
direct adventure with elastic

So is it a whip or a pole?

I would say you have a short pole.
Whips are not designed to be elasticated, but many can be...


That is just as succinct as I was going to be Matt

But catching trout eh!

LOL...yes, the OH was getting very miffed, because he was specifically out
for tench with his fancy kit and he kept pulling rainbows in too.
I was there with my new whip/pole and just happy to be catching fish...any
fish....regardless of what it is

But I'm reliably informed that catching trout on sweetcorn on a whip/pole is
not a common occurence...??? can anyone elaborate? The Oh just tells me its
good and I did well...but is he humouring me?
FWIW I'm not a fishing person, but the OH is a fishing freek and a fish farm
manager...so I picked up a dirt cheap whip (4m) a few years ago, to
accompany him occasionally, and this year I picked up a dirt cheap pole/whip
with a bit more length and very light to boot. This fishing lark intrigues
me, but I don't have the pasion to be out all the time. I was drawn to
poles after watching a few fishing programmes featuring them, and it was
suggested I start with a cheap whip to see if I still liked the idea....well
if I continue to fish, and spend money n bigger/better gear then I just know
I'm going to stick with the pole-idea...definitely my kind of thing, and a
lot less faffing than using reels etc... ;o)

"caroline" wrote in message
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"Ergo" wrote
"Matt (IS Team)" wrote

"caroline" wrote
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I was there with my new whip/pole and just happy to be catching fish...any
fish....regardless of what it is

But I'm reliably informed that catching trout on sweetcorn on a whip/pole
is not a common occurence...??? can anyone elaborate? The Oh just tells me
its good and I did well...but is he humouring me?
FWIW I'm not a fishing person, but the OH is a fishing freek and a fish
farm manager...so I picked up a dirt cheap whip (4m) a few years ago, to
accompany him occasionally, and this year I picked up a dirt cheap
pole/whip with a bit more length and very light to boot. This fishing
lark intrigues me, but I don't have the pasion to be out all the time. I
was drawn to poles after watching a few fishing programmes featuring them,
and it was suggested I start with a cheap whip to see if I still liked the
idea....well if I continue to fish, and spend money n bigger/better gear
then I just know I'm going to stick with the pole-idea...definitely my
kind of thing, and a lot less faffing than using reels etc... ;o)

Good for you Caroline, the only problem with a pole is high wind, but that
can be over come by burying the pole just below the surface, but you have to
be careful when you lift into a fish that you don't snap it. Don't expect
results everytime unless the water is stuffed with fish. I was out today
with my little toy, feeding constantly small amounts of hook bait. The fish
just weren't playing ball. All I had all day were 5 Bream to 3lbs and a load
of roach towards the end.

When you really get to grips with the whip, get yourself a comfortable box,
but not too large, as you will soon fill it with all sorts of stuff and will
have a hard job picking it up. Then you can progress to a longer pole, at
first don't try and fish it at full length, you have to build up muscle to
be able to hold it for say 5 hours. Each time you go try that extra length,
of course if the fish are in closer you won't need it. Once you reach 14.5
metres, think if you really need to go to 16. It is more likely than not
that you will ever need to. I have a 16 metre Garbolino Super Legion and
don't think I have fished it at full length more than once. Of course with
my pole it tends to be a lot lighter than the shorter poles, so you pays
your money and makes your choice.

P.S. Next time you get a decent size Rainbow, you don't fancy running it
down to Eastbourne do you?

The OH thought it would be nice to enter me in a low-key local fishing
competition with my 'pole' this weekend...any tips for a first timer (who's
still a complete fishing novice)?

In article , caroline
wrote:
The OH thought it would be nice to enter me in a low-key local fishing
competition with my 'pole' this weekend...any tips for a first timer (who's
still a complete fishing novice)?

Yes. Don't. :-)

If you -really- want to learn match fishing tactics then go along - but
don't fish. Keep well back so you don't scare anyone's fish (or give them
the excuse to grumble that you might have done) Take binoculars and just
watch, watch carefully and take notes - in particular try to work out
if/why/when baiting tactics work or not. Take photographs (with a decent
telephoto and tripod you can get lots of interesting details) to stay
'friends' you can offer the contestants pictures of themselves landing fish
- remarkably few anglers have really good pictures of themselves fishing.
Then at the end play journalist and interview a few of the characters who's
actions interest you. Oh, take names etc. both so you can send pictures to
the contestants and in case you can really write up the match and send an
article in to the angling press - you never know, there may be an
alternative career in this...

Next day - return to the venue and try out a few of the things you have
learned. Weigh your catch - would you have won?

However: If you want to catch plenty of fish then avoid matches like the
plague - the first thing any match angler does is to scare all the fish out
from under the near bank and all the put all the larger fish off the feed.
On your own you can creep in and catch those first.

Cheerio,

--

In message , Derek.Moody
writes

However: If you want to catch plenty of fish then avoid matches like the
plague - the first thing any match angler does is to scare all the fish out
from under the near bank and all the put all the larger fish off the feed.
On your own you can creep in and catch those first.

Although; I once turned up to fish a chub session on a small river, just
as the match was weighing in. There was a guy fishing one of my
favourite chub swims proudly weighing in a couple of pounds of gudgeon
and roach, caught on the stick float. He didn't mind if I started
fishing, so I dropped in at the bottom of his swim and lowered a big
chunk of bread flake into the roots of the tree.

He looked a little gutted at the first-cast result...

--
Steve Walker

In article , Steve Walker
wrote:
In message , Derek.Moody
writes

However: If you want to catch plenty of fish then avoid matches like the
plague - the first thing any match angler does is to scare all the fish out
from under the near bank and all the put all the larger fish off the feed.
On your own you can creep in and catch those first.

Although; I once turned up to fish a chub session on a small river, just
as the match was weighing in. There was a guy fishing one of my
favourite chub swims proudly weighing in a couple of pounds of gudgeon
and roach, caught on the stick float. He didn't mind if I started
fishing, so I dropped in at the bottom of his swim and lowered a big
chunk of bread flake into the roots of the tree.

He looked a little gutted at the first-cast result...

That's right. He'd just stopped repeatedly disturbing the water and had
thrown in all his remaining groundbait...

Cheerio,

--

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
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In article , caroline
wrote:
The OH thought it would be nice to enter me in a low-key local fishing
competition with my 'pole' this weekend...any tips for a first timer
(who's
still a complete fishing novice)?

Yes. Don't. :-)

If you -really- want to learn match fishing tactics then go along - but
don't fish. Keep well back so you don't scare anyone's fish (or give them
the excuse to grumble that you might have done) Take binoculars and just
watch, watch carefully and take notes - in particular try to work out
if/why/when baiting tactics work or not. Take photographs (with a decent
telephoto and tripod you can get lots of interesting details) to stay
'friends' you can offer the contestants pictures of themselves landing
fish
- remarkably few anglers have really good pictures of themselves fishing.
Then at the end play journalist and interview a few of the characters
who's
actions interest you. Oh, take names etc. both so you can send pictures to
the contestants and in case you can really write up the match and send an
article in to the angling press - you never know, there may be an
alternative career in this...

Next day - return to the venue and try out a few of the things you have
learned. Weigh your catch - would you have won?

However: If you want to catch plenty of fish then avoid matches like the
plague - the first thing any match angler does is to scare all the fish
out
from under the near bank and all the put all the larger fish off the feed.
On your own you can creep in and catch those first.

Thanks Derek

But I think you've overestimated the fishing comp I'm going in...its 10 guys
on a friend's lake, putting up a few quid for charity, to win a bottle of
whiskey...

I've no intention of disturbing anyone's swim....whilst *I* maybe a newbie
to fishing. I've had fishermen in my life since I was a child...(father,
brother etc)///I am quite capable of conducting myself properly at a quiet
fishing venue

This competition is a lark, and we have entered as such....and as such I
hope to have fun...

I'll let you know how I get on..still learning bout groundbaitng over my tea
this morning...and last night I had a lesson in the garden on using my
landing net... ;o)

"caroline" wrote in message
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"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
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In article , caroline
wrote:

snip
This competition is a lark, and we have entered as such....and as such I
hope to have fun...

I'll let you know how I get on..still learning bout groundbaitng over my
tea this morning...and last night I had a lesson in the garden on using my
landing net... ;o)
landed 2 grass carp and 4 slabs then ..... ;o)

Richard

In article , caroline
wrote:

But I think you've overestimated the fishing comp I'm going in...its 10 guys
on a friend's lake, putting up a few quid for charity, to win a bottle of
whiskey...

On the contrary, it sounds like there will be a wide range of skill and
tactics - you will learn faster when a fair few of your, er, 'subjects' are
making elementary errors. A high-powered match where everyone is highly
skilled will not deliver the same contrasts as many will adopt similar
tactics (whatever suits the day/water) and it will be harder to spot the
factors that give an advantage, or not.

This competition is a lark, and we have entered as such....and as such I
hope to have fun...

I hope you do...

I'll let you know how I get on..still learning bout groundbaitng over my tea
this morning...and last night I had a lesson in the garden on using my
landing net... ;o)

The delicate balance between attracting fish and feeding them..?
-IF- this water is stocked at a natural level then a large bucket of sloppy
bottom mud and the crumbs from a few slices of dry bread would be about
right, plus a few free samples of whatever is on the hook.
- Most maggots BTW sink at a rate of 8ft (2.6m) per minute.

As I rarely fish stillwaters I'm in the March doldrums atm. The coarse
river season finished in a flurry of medium sized roach, the (river) trout
are still ten days away and the sea is still between the winter and summer
fish - but the firstcomers will be along in a tide or two ;-)

So my next groundbaiting session may well start with a bucket full of scroff
(the 'garbage' out of the bottom of the net) blagged from a trawler before
it's shovelled over the side...

but that's OT here.

Cheerio,

--

"caroline" wrote

I'll let you know how I get on...

Well I'm not sure how much fun I had...but I wasn't disgraced (or at least I
wasn't alone in disgrace ;o)

10 seniors in the end, and 4 young lads who had their own junior section.

I was first to draw my peg being the only 'lady' there...

Remembering my brother and other fishing freaks always going on about the
direction of the wind it was apparently a good thing to get this peg, so I
sat for 5 hours with the wind very firmly in my face...gusting to gale force
at times...all good fun so I'm told ;o)

So, how did I get on? Well...I didn't catch a thing....but neither did 12 of
the other 'competitors'...the winner was the only guy to land anything, and
he won with a whopping bag of 6 or so tiny rudd.

Now seeing as the lake is stocked by persons close to me, we all know its
not a fact of having no fish...if anything its slightly overstocked, with
some good sized specimens too...who gave me a lovely show at times during
the day, one carp who rolled on the surface a few times near me was lovely
to see.
....as to why the fish all decided not to feed yesterday is anyone's guess
;o)