In anticipation of things to come

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In article ,
lid says...
Please be careful, you have two maladies that are usually quite
harmless separately but have the potential to be deadly in tandem.
Your head is stuck firmly up your ass and you're a tight-ass.
Watch out you don't choke yourself to death with your own asshole.

I defer to the expert on this condition.

dick?

Wolfgang

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
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...We
worked most days after school, weekends and half days most holidays...

He should have finished school first.

Wolfgang

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I don't know too many people
who would want their kids droppin' acid.

Your parents were exceptional, huh?

Immaterial. I would move mountains to keep my kids from it.

Judging by what we've seen here in the past few years, one is hard pressed
to accept your qualifications to move your bowels based on nothing more than
your own testimony.


[YAWN] I am so slighted.
- Ken

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[YAWN] I am so slighted.

See what I mean, Tripper?

Wolfgang

"David Snedeker" wrote


I agree. I was raised by my old man. He was a roughneck, drinker and
brawler. I worked with him painting houses mostly, sheetrocking,
construction etc.. He was also a voracious reader and loved to sing. We
worked most days after school, weekends and half days most holidays. He
told me about everything he knew, every fight he lost, what he hated, what
he loved, what was wrong with war, what he thought about God, chickens,
being hungry, Roosevelt, fly fishing and a lot of other stuff. At 70 he
could still chop out a stump. He drank beer and muscatel, only feared
red-headed women, and believed he could hear the banshees cry when someone
was going to die. He put on a new pair of overalls before driving himself
to
the doctors' with his first heart attack. He came from another world and I
miss him.

well, i have to say that post carries more weight than anything i have
read around here in a long, long time.

you do your father proud, david.

yfitons
wayno

"Wayne Harrison" wrote


you do your father proud, david.



indeed

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
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you do your father proud, david.

yfitons
wayno

Well thank you Wayne.

Dave

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[acid]

Immaterial. I would move mountains to keep my kids from it.

This is honestly not intended as a flame, but do you really think
that you have the power to "keep your kids from" acid, pot, alcohol
or anything else you deem potentially harmful?

Now maybe I misread your statements in this thread, but given my
experience with kids, the more you try to isolate or "protect" them
from these sorts of things, the more they will seek them out.

On the other hand, if you rationally discuss these substances with
them, and show them that you have some real-world knowledge about their
potential dangers (rather than the usual "just say no" foolishness),
you stand a better chance of getting through to them.

Kids will make mistakes. As parents, we can't prevent that, but we
can educate them to hopefully help them make better choices in the
first
place.

And IMHO, the worst thing we can do is advocate the "Just say no"
mentality. It's irrational, condescending and ultimately
counter-productive.


Chuck Vance

Conan The Librarian wrote:
wrote:

[acid]

Immaterial. I would move mountains to keep my kids from it.

This is honestly not intended as a flame, but do you really think
that you have the power to "keep your kids from" acid, pot, alcohol
or anything else you deem potentially harmful?

I believe parents have the power to help them think twice about doing
something.

Now maybe I misread your statements in this thread, but given my
experience with kids, the more you try to isolate or "protect" them
from these sorts of things, the more they will seek them out.

I don't think this is necessarily true. Disallowing a 16-year-old from
going to a party when the parent believes there is not adequate
supervision (in my case, if my wife or I didn't know the parent(s)
personally, the kids didn't go) will keep them from using alcohol or
drugs *at that party, on that night*. As parents, my wife and I made it
a habit to periodically show up at places when our kids were out. We
didn't do this all the time, but just enough to keep them on their toes.
The fact that we *might* show up at someone's house or at the
library/school/etc. was enough incentive to keep them on the straight
and narrow most of the time.

On the other hand, if you rationally discuss these substances with
them, and show them that you have some real-world knowledge about
their potential dangers (rather than the usual "just say no"
foolishness), you stand a better chance of getting through to them.

IMO, discussing is okay to a certain point. With kids, actions speak
louder than words.

Kids will make mistakes. As parents, we can't prevent that, but we
can educate them to hopefully help them make better choices in the
first place.

More can be done than that, but it takes a lot of effort and personal
involvement in the kids' lives. Showing up at all their activities and
cheering them on at sporting events does wonders. When I went to my
son's cross-country meets, there was a core group of five parents that
showed up to support the 50 or so kids participating. Many of the other
kids started calling my wife and I "Mom" and "Dad" Johnson. How sad is
that?

And IMHO, the worst thing we can do is advocate the "Just say no"
mentality. It's irrational, condescending and ultimately
counter-productive.

I found that "just say no" thing, and really ALL the anti-drug
campaigns, to be next to useless. It's a lot of good money poured down a
black hole to make the people propagating the programs feel better about
themselves.

All of the above, just IMHO.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Tim J. wrote:

I believe parents have the power to help them think twice about doing
something.

Absolutely. And that's a far cry from "keep[ing] your kids from"
things.

I don't think this is necessarily true. Disallowing a 16-year-old
from
going to a party when the parent believes there is not adequate
supervision (in my case, if my wife or I didn't know the parent(s)
personally, the kids didn't go) will keep them from using alcohol or
drugs *at that party, on that night*. As parents, my wife and I made
it
a habit to periodically show up at places when our kids were out. We
didn't do this all the time, but just enough to keep them on their
toes.
The fact that we *might* show up at someone's house or at the
library/school/etc. was enough incentive to keep them on the straight
and narrow most of the time.

I respect the fact that you did such things, even though I don't
necessarily agree with it. :-) Obviously we have different parenting
styles. I trust my kids to go where they say they are, and if I ever
find out they aren't telling me the truth, then we have a problem.

I guess I've been lucky, because they have both turned out great and
stayed out of trouble. Of course, it doesn't hurt that we live in a
small town where you *will* hear about it if kids are up to no good.
:-)

IMO, discussing is okay to a certain point. With kids, actions speak
louder than words.

Again, we just have a difference in style. I use reason and facts
first, but I'm willing to back them up when necessary. IMHO, if you
can look your kid in the eye and say "I did such-and-such when I was
your age. This is what happened to me when I did it", and allow them
to come to their own decision, they will be better-served in the long
run than by you simply forbidding it.

More can be done than that, but it takes a lot of effort and personal
involvement in the kids' lives. Showing up at all their activities
and
cheering them on at sporting events does wonders. When I went to my
son's cross-country meets, there was a core group of five parents
that
showed up to support the 50 or so kids participating. Many of the
other
kids started calling my wife and I "Mom" and "Dad" Johnson. How sad
is
that?

Yes, that is sad. I am all for being supportive, and SWMBO and I
are
always at our kids' events, whether it was the older girl's volleyball
and basketball games or the younger one's theater productions. And
yes,
I believe that does help, but it doesn't isolate them from all the
situations they will face where they have to make decisions that may
affect their future. You teach them, but it's still ultimately up to
them. And simply trying to keep temptations away or rule them with an
iron-hand won't help when they're in those situations.

I found that "just say no" thing, and really ALL the anti-drug
campaigns, to be next to useless. It's a lot of good money poured
down a
black hole to make the people propagating the programs feel better
about
themselves.

Bingo.

All of the above, just IMHO.

Likewise.