7/8 Weight Steelhead Rod Recommendations

Ken I'll keep up with this cause I think it funny.
Every manufacturer sells wholesale, every single one including Sage and
Winston.
That retail 300.00 blank is about 125.00 wholsale and the components,
epoxy, finish and thread could run 60-80 bucks. Excluding drying time
for epoxy and finish I could build a simple (sage like) fly rod in
about 4 hours start to finish, you could too, it aint rocket science.
If you can tie a fly and read a book you could do it. Its is so frickin
simple thats why I am amazed at the prices for these rods. Thats it
from here take care. Bruce

Softhackle wrote:
Ken I'll keep up with this cause I think it funny.

Yeah, it's been a real knee-slapper for me too. ;-)

Every manufacturer sells wholesale, every single one including Sage and
Winston.
That retail 300.00 blank is about 125.00 wholsale and the components,
epoxy, finish and thread could run 60-80 bucks. Excluding drying time
for epoxy and finish I could build a simple (sage like) fly rod in
about 4 hours start to finish, you could too, it aint rocket science.

Anytime you want to build a Winston BoronIIx for ~$200 please send me
an email. I'll take several.

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... Thats it
from here take care. Bruce

Likewise, Bruce. Hope to see you and one of your custom rods on a
stream sometime.

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Come see the movie "When Ken and Wayno attack" comming soon at theaters
near you. Thanks for making my afternoon fun, it sure was enjoyable get
you guys all worked up. I'll think about you guys when I'm on the water
this weekend, well maybe not...

Softhackle wrote:
Ken I'll keep up with this cause I think it funny.
Every manufacturer sells wholesale, every single one including Sage and
Winston.
That retail 300.00 blank is about 125.00 wholsale and the components,
epoxy, finish and thread could run 60-80 bucks. Excluding drying time
for epoxy and finish I could build a simple (sage like) fly rod in
about 4 hours start to finish, you could too, it aint rocket science.
If you can tie a fly and read a book you could do it.

If you assume falsehood then you can prove anything, because it makes
your system consistent. That's simple logic. :-)

Its is so frickin
simple thats why I am amazed at the prices for these rods. Thats it
from here take care. Bruce

Building your first rod takes a whole lot of extra time -- far, far
beyond four hours, in my experience. Building the second one is much
faster, and the next one more so, and so on, until I can just barely
believe I could crank out good rods at four hours each, assuming all the
materials were ready to go and I had a dedicated and well equipped and
well organized work space (which I don't) and I had nothing better to
do. But then I wouldn't be building them for myself, because I don't
need or want a gazillion rods. I'd presumably be building them to sell,
and my time is worth money, because it takes me away from my pleasurable
pastimes, like fly fishing.

Plus, think of all the money for advertising. :-)

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rw wrote:

If you assume falsehood then you can prove anything, because it makes
your system consistent. That's simple logic. :-)

I meant to write "inconsistent," of course. :-)

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"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
...my time is worth money, because it takes me away from my pleasurable
pastimes, like fly fishing....

So, how much do you get paid to spew this incessant stream of inane ****?

Wolfgang

On 23 Mar 2005 14:30:02 -0800, "Softhackle"
wrote:

Ken I'll keep up with this cause I think it funny.
Every manufacturer sells wholesale, every single one including Sage and
Winston.
That retail 300.00 blank is about 125.00 wholsale and the components,
epoxy, finish and thread could run 60-80 bucks. Excluding drying time
for epoxy and finish I could build a simple (sage like) fly rod in
about 4 hours start to finish, you could too, it aint rocket science.
If you can tie a fly and read a book you could do it. Its is so frickin
simple thats why I am amazed at the prices for these rods. Thats it
from here take care. Bruce

ok, this is getting down right ghostly...

In article .com,
"Softhackle" wrote:

Ken I'll keep up with this cause I think it funny.
Every manufacturer sells wholesale, every single one including Sage and
Winston.
That retail 300.00 blank is about 125.00 wholsale and the components,
epoxy, finish and thread could run 60-80 bucks. Excluding drying time
for epoxy and finish I could build a simple (sage like) fly rod in
about 4 hours start to finish, you could too, it aint rocket science.
If you can tie a fly and read a book you could do it. Its is so frickin
simple thats why I am amazed at the prices for these rods. Thats it
from here take care. Bruce

What you are forgetting to mention is first you would have to take a
class or join a fly fishing club (both cost money) to learn how to do
the work. Then you would have to invest in the tools to make the rod.
Then, while it may be 4 hours of work its about 36 hours of drying time.
For someone with a job it takes a heck of alot of time.

Lets say you are lucky enough to get a blank from wintson at cost. Just
spending $~50 for a retailers license aint gonna get you one. You have
to have a storefront. But we will ignore than. If you do get the blank
for wholesale from winston (good luck unless you are in the industry)
and you dont know how to build one and dont have the materials, taking
it to a rod builder is going to cost over $100 in labor and over $200 in
parts, just for a rod that is similiar to a retail winston.

FlyFish_rep wrote:

What you are forgetting to mention is first you would have to take a
class or join a fly fishing club (both cost money) to learn how to do
the work.

No you don't. It's very easy. Check out:

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/begin/graphite/

Then you would have to invest in the tools to make the rod.

The tools, suh as they are, can be very cheap.

Then, while it may be 4 hours of work its about 36 hours of drying time.
For someone with a job it takes a heck of alot of time.

You can sleep while they're drying.

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In article ,
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Softhackle wrote:
Ken I am not saying all factory rods are bad because thats just not the
case. But let me put it to you this way a custom rod will hold up
better over time. A custom rod will be less expensive for the same
blank and components because the customer is not paying for a warrenty.

OK, let's do the math. We're talking about 7/8 weights here so let's
take the Winston BoronIIx 7wt. This is a 4 piece rod with a fighting
butt that sells as a factory rod for $615 and as a blank for $308.

Blank - $308
Components - ~$60 wholesale
Labor- at least 10 hours

Ok, my local dealer wanted retail for the components and $110 for the
labor. If you want to make it top of the line, figure $160 for struble
titanium reel seat and fighting butt, $20 for flor cork, dont know the
price of the other compontents. I just bought the boron 2x rod and it
was only $248 out the door (2 day shipping) for people in the fly
fishing industry. The blank was $120 plus shipping, and taking it to
the local rod maker would of been $110 for the labor, plus about $20 for
the cork, plus about $50 for the reelseat, no idea what the rest would
be, but would be a hell of alot more than the rod.