Oregon Senate Bill says hatchery fish = wild fish

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"rw" wrote in message
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Producing hatchery fish -- even ones bred from wild stock -- doesn't
change the genes...

Yes, it does. Every environment has its mutagens. No two are the same.

Wolfgang
who may have read it in "scientific american"......but doesn't think so.


Some science on the subject is a availble at the NFS web site,
http://www.nativefishsociety.org/library.htm

All of which is mildly interesting (if not necessarily an exhaustive or
unbiased survey of the extant literature on salmonid genetics), and presents
a fair to horse**** introduction (assuming one is generous enough to
overlook both a blatant bias and the absolutely pathetic device of simply
lifting brief quoted passages sans context or evidence) to a particular
point of view with regard to likely problems with hatchery breeding programs
(a point of view which, incidentally, I happen to share), but none of it has
anything at all to do with my point in response to Stevie's just plain wrong
factual statement.

Thanks.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:

All of which is mildly interesting (if not necessarily an exhaustive or
unbiased survey of the extant literature on salmonid genetics), and presents
a fair to horse**** introduction (assuming one is generous enough to
overlook both a blatant bias and the absolutely pathetic device of simply
lifting brief quoted passages sans context or evidence) to a particular
point of view with regard to likely problems with hatchery breeding programs
(a point of view which, incidentally, I happen to share), but none of it has
anything at all to do with my point in response to Stevie's just plain wrong
factual statement.

Thanks.

And thanks for your armchair theorizing about "mutagens," which is of
course far more authoritative, unbiased, and exhaustive than anything
that actual scientists who spend their careers studying the question
could possibly come up with.

Wank on.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

All of which is mildly interesting (if not necessarily an exhaustive or
unbiased survey of the extant literature on salmonid genetics), and
presents a fair to horse**** introduction (assuming one is generous
enough to overlook both a blatant bias and the absolutely pathetic device
of simply lifting brief quoted passages sans context or evidence) to a
particular point of view with regard to likely problems with hatchery
breeding programs (a point of view which, incidentally, I happen to
share), but none of it has anything at all to do with my point in
response to Stevie's just plain wrong factual statement.

Thanks.

And thanks for your armchair theorizing about "mutagens," which is of
course far more authoritative, unbiased, and exhaustive than anything that
actual scientists who spend their careers studying the question could
possibly come up with.

Mutagens......mutagens......hm, that sounds vaguely familiar. Is that the
sort of thing that might be studied in.....um.....research
labs......uh.....say, for instance, medical research labs in
particular.....the sort of thing you'd use immunohistochemistry,
immunocytochemistry, in situ hybridization, PCR, real time PCR, RTPCR,
western blots, southern blots, northern blots, SDS polyacrilimde gel
electrophoresis, gene sequencing, gel purification, cryostats, vibratomes,
ultra-microtomes, LR White resin embedding, CBQCA protein quantification,
cAMP colorimetric assays, sepahrose column separation, microarray analysis,
LCM, BLAST, FRED, DAB, IgG antibodies, HPLC, fluorometers........you know,
that sort of thing.....for? If so, I think I've heard of it. Teach me.

Wank on.

Dream on.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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And thanks for your armchair theorizing about "mutagens," which is of
course far more authoritative, unbiased, and exhaustive than anything that
actual scientists who spend their careers studying the question could
possibly come up with.


Mutagens......mutagens......hm, that sounds vaguely familiar. Is that the
sort of thing that might be studied in.....um.....research
labs......uh.....say, for instance, medical research labs in
particular.....the sort of thing you'd use immunohistochemistry,
immunocytochemistry, in situ hybridization, PCR, real time PCR, RTPCR,
western blots, southern blots, northern blots, SDS polyacrilimde gel
electrophoresis, gene sequencing, gel purification, cryostats, vibratomes,
ultra-microtomes, LR White resin embedding, CBQCA protein quantification,
cAMP colorimetric assays, sepahrose column separation, microarray analysis,
LCM, BLAST, FRED, DAB, IgG antibodies, HPLC, fluorometers........you know,
that sort of thing.....for? If so, I think I've heard of it. Teach me.

So exhaustive. So authoritative. So downright INTERESTING! And such big,
BIG WORDS! And ACRONYMS! We are, indeed, blessed to have you among our
midst.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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And thanks for your armchair theorizing about "mutagens," which is of
course far more authoritative, unbiased, and exhaustive than anything
that actual scientists who spend their careers studying the question
could possibly come up with.


Mutagens......mutagens......hm, that sounds vaguely familiar. Is that
the sort of thing that might be studied in.....um.....research
labs......uh.....say, for instance, medical research labs in
particular.....the sort of thing you'd use immunohistochemistry,
immunocytochemistry, in situ hybridization, PCR, real time PCR, RTPCR,
western blots, southern blots, northern blots, SDS polyacrilimde gel
electrophoresis, gene sequencing, gel purification, cryostats,
vibratomes, ultra-microtomes, LR White resin embedding, CBQCA protein
quantification, cAMP colorimetric assays, sepahrose column separation,
microarray analysis, LCM, BLAST, FRED, DAB, IgG antibodies, HPLC,
fluorometers........you know, that sort of thing.....for? If so, I think
I've heard of it. Teach me.

So exhaustive. So authoritative. So downright INTERESTING! And such big,
BIG WORDS! And ACRONYMS! We are, indeed, blessed to have you among our
midst.

Huh?

Oh.......o.k.......I get it. I left out SAGE. Small wonder you think its a
smoke screen.

So, teach me.

Wolfgang
wanna learn how to use your email?

Wolfgang wrote:

So, teach me.

I'm sure you know how to use that vibratome to its fullest capacity and
to your utmost autosatisfaction. Just please, for god sakes, don't let
your tissues come into contact with a normal, healthy person.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

So, teach me.

I'm sure you know how to use that vibratome to its fullest capacity

It's a lot more complicated than it looks. I'd go into the
particulars........but, i don't think it would do you any good at all.

and to your utmost autosatisfaction. Just please, for god sakes, don't let
your tissues come into contact with a normal, healthy person.

Life is hard, ainna? Kennie can't be me.......and you can't have me.


Wolfgang
who, having never managed to keep a sexual fantasy going for five days
straight, is WAY impressed!