I'm sure that 40 was going to post this link...

Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Willi" wrote


It's gotten old.



word.

now try to convince your friend in idaho of that.

yfitons
wayno





It was a comment directed at "these crazy mother****ers" and I did
include his "peepee" comment.

I'm lucky that my dogs (mostly) listen to me.

Willi

But, I have refurbished and revitalized some old equipment for "Retro"
fishing. Also, Favorite Flies & Their Histories by Mary Orvis Marbury
has
stimulated my interest in some old classic fly patterns. These patterns
will
soon take flight at the end of a gut leader if I can find some. (I will
keep my other rods & reels handy though)
Guy

Try he http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/ Check out
the
archives.

--
Frank Reid
Reverse email to reply

Thanks for the link Frank.
G

"Willi" wrote in message
...
Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Guy Thornberg" wrote in message
...



I don't know if I should admit to this, but I sure do like to ad a
couple
oz. of V-8 or tomato juice to my beer. Makes all beer taste healthy and
I
can claim I've had my vegetable intake for the day.



i know you are a newbie, and i don't want to seem surly, but you
have no
idea how unequipped you are for a contest with these crazy
mother****ers.

hth

wayno



That's one way to look at it. I guess "fool", "little peepee", "stupid",
"idiot", etc. etc. pack a wallop for some people. For me it just brings
back memories of grade school playground fights.


The way I look at it is that it's "these crazy mother****ers" who are
"unequipped" in dealing with a nice "guy" who had a good time with some
of us at the Juan.


It's gotten old.

Willi



Thanks for the kind words Willi. Looking forward to seeing you in Montana.
All this is pretty entertaining. If they beat me up here, I will take them
to task on the river.
Guy

"Willi" wrote in message
...
Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Willi" wrote


It's gotten old.



word.

now try to convince your friend in idaho of that.

yfitons
wayno



It was a comment directed at "these crazy mother****ers" and I did include
his "peepee" comment.

Well, you look like a bright young lad. O.k., let's say you live in world
where there's......um......bad people......and, like problems and stuff.
So, what's the best solution......ignore them.....or whine?

I'm lucky that my dogs (mostly) listen to me.

Yeah.....and that ain't sick.

Wolfgang
who, it must be admitted, doesn't find human intercourse invariably and
inevitably repulsive.

"Wolfgang" wrote

Wolfgang
who, it must be admitted, doesn't find human intercourse invariably and
inevitably repulsive.


There are many variations on the human intercourse theme.

Friday I went with my kid to his chosen University to see the campus, for my
first time, he's been there for some summer programs several times. We sat
in on a seminar style class in International Studies, one of his majors to
be. The subject was borders and ethics, the how and why, good and bad of
borders, both international and private property.

It was very lively and spirited. There was disagreement and debate that
was so stimulating I was ready to sign up for college again myself, one
forgets how exciting really thinking can be. Not all differences were
settled, or even definitions agreed upon, etc, but progress was made in that
direction. And there was never a split second of disrespect or attempt to
"win" the conversation ... everyone wanted to really understand the others
....... everyone seemed aware that they themselves just might be in error
or, more likely, that "truth," in the end, would be a blending of differing
ideas from differing backgrounds.

Real conversation ( my definition ) is an effort to communicate, exchange
ideas, UNDERSTAND the others involved, even if you still disagree with them.
Such human intercourse is invariably and inevitably exciting and productive,
even though it can be a bumpy trip.

On the other hand, "listening" only for something to reply to, understood
or not, to continue the fight and hopefully "score points" can be
entertaining for brief periods that might otherwise be too dull to endure.
But, such argument for the sake of argument, imo, barely qualifies as human
interaction, since it essentially requires avoiding really listening and
trying to respect or understand the other humans involved .... there is no
real interaction of ideas, just intensely worded and escalating separation
and alienation.

This latter, very common, style isn't "inevitably repulsive" but it is
rather boring.... ie. it 'gets old'

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote

Wolfgang
who, it must be admitted, doesn't find human intercourse invariably and
inevitably repulsive.


There are many variations on the human intercourse theme.

Friday I went with my kid to his chosen University to see the campus, for
my first time, he's been there for some summer programs several times. We
sat in on a seminar style class in International Studies, one of his
majors to be. The subject was borders and ethics, the how and why, good
and bad of borders, both international and private property.

It was very lively and spirited. There was disagreement and debate that
was so stimulating I was ready to sign up for college again myself, one
forgets how exciting really thinking can be. Not all differences were
settled, or even definitions agreed upon, etc, but progress was made in
that direction. And there was never a split second of disrespect or
attempt to "win" the conversation ... everyone wanted to really understand
the others ...... everyone seemed aware that they themselves just might
be in error or, more likely, that "truth," in the end, would be a blending
of differing ideas from differing backgrounds.

Real conversation ( my definition ) is an effort to communicate, exchange
ideas, UNDERSTAND the others involved, even if you still disagree with
them. Such human intercourse is invariably and inevitably exciting and
productive, even though it can be a bumpy trip.

On the other hand, "listening" only for something to reply to, understood
or not, to continue the fight and hopefully "score points" can be
entertaining for brief periods that might otherwise be too dull to endure.
But, such argument for the sake of argument, imo, barely qualifies as
human interaction, since it essentially requires avoiding really listening
and trying to respect or understand the other humans involved .... there
is no real interaction of ideas, just intensely worded and escalating
separation and alienation.

This latter, very common, style isn't "inevitably repulsive" but it is
rather boring.... ie. it 'gets old'

Perceptive and well argued. One need only add the observation that the
lessons to be learned from this are generally instilled in the minds of
children very early and effectively, weakened significantly (though not yet
fatally) by middle school years, kept barely alive through artificial means
in college, and correctly given up for dead upon entry into the world of the
adults who tell their children.....disingenuously.....that they should share
and be nice.

Meanwhile, I refuse to accept the premise that wholesale hate and contempt
are acceptable and even amusing while attempts to call attention to them are
reprehensible.

Wolfgang
who, somewhat exceptionally it would appear, doesn't know anyone who can
make him read what bores him.

"Wolfgang" wrote


Meanwhile, I refuse to accept the premise that wholesale hate and contempt
are acceptable and even amusing while attempts to call attention to them
are reprehensible.


I admit that you lost me here, to a large degree, as it applies to what
preceeded. But I find nothing in the sentence, as a separate thought, to
disagree with .... hate and contempt are rarely acceptable, and calling
attention to that may qualify as a human duty




Wolfgang
who, somewhat exceptionally it would appear, doesn't know anyone who can
make him read what bores him.


Boredom, like most things, varies greatly in degree within a given person's
daily routine, and greatly from person to person. As that applies ( if it
does ) to this thread "on booze," I have read about 8 or 10 of the total
posts in the thread. I nearly always stop reading a thread, or sub-thread
once it gets to the name calling stage, or is reduced to just two or three
people going "back and forth" .... such threads have reached a intellectual
boredom level that makes them interesting only to nastiness voyeurs, or,
sometimes on roff, the opposite, as two people tell the world just how
much they like getting drunk and fishing together ...both too boring to
bear.

Experience has also shown that some posters are uniformly more interesting
than others, so I'm likely to pull one of Willi's posts out of an otherwise
discarded thread and follow it a step or two to see where it leads. And I
think that you, Wolfgang, can be very interesting on the occasions that
serious thought appeals to you more than meanness .... ah, that human duty
to point out, mentioned above ...... so I probably check 60% of your posts
until I find you amusing yourself with contempt and hate, then I abandon you
in that thread.

So, again, we agree ... we don't actually read much of the very boring ....
I usually assume MY posts get very little attention, I post mainly to help
me sort my own thoughts ...or, gad, discuss Fly Fishing G

On 4/3/05 1:43 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:

who, somewhat exceptionally it would appear, doesn't know anyone who can
make him read what bores him.

Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
And specially from every shires ende
Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende,
The hooly blisful martir for to seke
That hem hath holpen, whan that they were seeke.

-Chaucer

Bill
(did it work?)

"William Claspy" wrote


Bill
(did it work?)


I didn't make it past the second line

I freely admit that's the *only* way I've ever been able
to drink a Rainier. And tomato juice couldn't possibly
do anything but improve an Old Milwaukee. ;-)

Ranier ale or beer? The ale was very good, back in the -60s.

What do you think of Schlitz?

vince