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rw wrote:
Jonathan Cook wrote:
Kevin Vang wrote:
A great many of the students
have shockingly poor math skills

Hear, hear.

I recently read a news article that said far fewer foreign students from
places like India and China are coming to study in the US, evidently
because of the severe restrictions imposed after 9/11, among other
things. So, it's only going to get worse.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate
education of foreign students ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
rw wrote:

Jonathan Cook wrote:

Kevin Vang wrote:

A great many of the students
have shockingly poor math skills


Hear, hear.


I recently read a news article that said far fewer foreign students
from places like India and China are coming to study in the US,
evidently because of the severe restrictions imposed after 9/11, among
other things. So, it's only going to get worse.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate
education of foreign students ?

What makes you think that US taxpayers are paying for post-graduate
education of foreign students?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

In article ,
lid says...
rw wrote:
Jonathan Cook wrote:
Kevin Vang wrote:
A great many of the students
have shockingly poor math skills

Hear, hear.

I recently read a news article that said far fewer foreign students from
places like India and China are coming to study in the US, evidently
because of the severe restrictions imposed after 9/11, among other
things. So, it's only going to get worse.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate
education of foreign students ?

1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates.
2- Jobs go where the educated people are. American students are not
getting advanced degrees (especially in technical fields). The more
foreigners we can get to come here and stay here the more likely the
jobs will stay here.

Ideally we'd find a way to encourage American students to step up and
get those degrees, but the vast majority of American students they
get the Bachelors and get out.

It's tough to blame them either:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/15/pf/c...ies/index.htm?
cnn=yes

Making $50K/year starting with just a BS is mighty tempting.
- Ken

wrote:
lid says...
Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate
education of foreign students ?

1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates.

None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences"
here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all.
They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that
actually pay *them* a small pittance.

Now if those foreign students from India and China are coming
here to get graduate degrees in English Literature they may
actually have to *pay* something, but the vast majority of them
are sucking on Uncle Sugar's tit.

--
Ken Fortenberry

In article ,
lid says...
wrote:
lid says...
Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate
education of foreign students ?

1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates.

None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences"
here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all.
They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that
actually pay *them* a small pittance.

"None" is a little too all enclusive. I've known plenty of grad
students not receiving the small pittance.

Neglecting that: The work done for Tuition waiver + small pittance
is always a net win for the university. Unless you want to be arguing
from the standpoint of university athletics net win, but
research/teaching assistantships net loss?

- Ken

wrote:
lid says...
wrote:
says...
Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate
education of foreign students ?

1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates.

None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences"
here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all.
They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that
actually pay *them* a small pittance.

"None" is a little too all enclusive. I've known plenty of grad
students not receiving the small pittance.

Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their
own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every
single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a
tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays
them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted.
Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they
can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the
minority and they still have a tuition waiver.

Neglecting that: The work done for Tuition waiver + small pittance
is always a net win for the university.

You're absolutely correct, it is always a net win for Big U,
but it's almost entirely funded by the US taxpayer and I think
the US taxpayer would be better served by funding only American
grad students and making foreign grad students pay their own way.

Unless you want to be arguing
from the standpoint of university athletics net win, but
research/teaching assistantships net loss?

Oh, **** you #1. When has a bunch of computer geeks ever won
the Rose Bowl ? ;-)

GO ILLINI !!!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their
own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every
single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a
tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays
them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted.
Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they
can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the
minority and they still have a tuition waiver.

I guarantee you that the US taxpayers are not paying for foreign grad
students at Stanford and MIT. What the idiots in Illinois are doing is
their own business.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

In article ,
lid says...
wrote:
lid says...
wrote:
says...
Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate
education of foreign students ?

1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates.

None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences"
here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all.
They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that
actually pay *them* a small pittance.

"None" is a little too all enclusive. I've known plenty of grad
students not receiving the small pittance.

Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their
own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every
single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a
tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays
them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted.
Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they
can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the
minority and they still have a tuition waiver.

While I can't directly call b#*$@#it on this statement, it runs counter
to every other grad school I know of. The only way to get a tuition
waiver is to be either a teaching or research assistant. According to
you, no grad student at Illinois is paying tuition.


Neglecting that: The work done for Tuition waiver + small pittance
is always a net win for the university.

You're absolutely correct, it is always a net win for Big U,
but it's almost entirely funded by the US taxpayer and I think
the US taxpayer would be better served by funding only American
grad students and making foreign grad students pay their own way.

I'd have to see concrete data that while this is a money win for the
university it somehow costs the US taxpayer.


Unless you want to be arguing
from the standpoint of university athletics net win, but
research/teaching assistantships net loss?

Oh, **** you #1. When has a bunch of computer geeks ever won
the Rose Bowl ? ;-)

When has it ever made a difference. Better to let a bunch of geeks NOT
win the Rose Bowl than pay a bunch of pretend students to play football
and basketball.

- Ken

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their
own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every
single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a
tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays
them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted.
Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they
can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the
minority and they still have a tuition waiver.


Depends on the school. I was a foreign graduate student in the US from
about 1980 - 1984. The school where I did my Master's provided me with a
research assistantship, and my tuition costs were 1/3 of the resident
rate. I did my Doctorate at NCSU, was provided with an assistanship
there, but I paid the full resident rate for tuition (at least it wasn't
the non-resident rate).

The amount I received during those years wasn't a great deal. It was
hard to make ends meet. I still worked hard for my assistantship, and
made my contribution. Sure didn't feel like I was feeding at the trough.

Tim Lysyk

"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their
own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every
single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a
tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays
them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted.
Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they
can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the
minority and they still have a tuition waiver.


Depends on the school. I was a foreign graduate student in the US from
about 1980 - 1984. The school where I did my Master's provided me with a
research assistantship, and my tuition costs were 1/3 of the resident
rate. I did my Doctorate at NCSU, was provided with an assistanship there,
but I paid the full resident rate for tuition (at least it wasn't the
non-resident rate).

The amount I received during those years wasn't a great deal. It was hard
to make ends meet. I still worked hard for my assistantship, and made my
contribution. Sure didn't feel like I was feeding at the trough.

Grubs. Grubs are chock full of protein.......and they're free!

Wolfgang
and don't forget about them larvae........mmmmmmmm........larvae!