Nymphing - indicator-to-nymph MAX distance

Actually, Dave (or anyone), I do have a couple more question:

Do you worry that too much weight can somehow mess with the drift of
your nymph?

OK, obviously there's some amount of weight that is too much. But I'm
just wondering if I should always try to err on the side of extra
weight. As it is, I can't think of a time that I"ve ever put on more
than two 4's, or maybe one BB - and perhaps that's my problem. And
yes, I'm sure in general I don't do enough to tick bottom. But does
the upside of being down deep always trump the downside of possibly
having too much weight? (Sorry - that sentence came out as is, and
it's just too bad to change it.)

If it makes a difference - most of the situations when I'm
under-confident in my nymphing occur when I'm casting a ways, say about
20'. If I'm high-sticking, then I'm generally pretty confident. (And
part of what started all of this is that I noticed that I have a
markedly better success rate nymphing when I'm close enough and the
water is clear enough that I can actually see the take subsurface - a
much much higher success ratio - made me think I was doing something
wrong in other situations, just looking at my indicator.)

On Thu, 1 Jun 2005 wrote:

Do you worry that too much weight can somehow mess with the drift of
your nymph?

I use an interative approach where I lengthen the leader a little bit, add
a little more weight, and repeat the process until I start ticking bottom
or snagging the occasional bit of vegetation.

the upside of being down deep always trump the downside of possibly
having too much weight?

Catching fish has a huge upside in the level of enjoyment and development
of confidence to the point where eventually you can fine tune your
technique and back of on the amount of weight.

Mu

"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Jun 2005 wrote:

Do you worry that too much weight can somehow mess with the drift of
your nymph?

I use an interative approach where I lengthen the leader a little bit, add
a little more weight, and repeat the process until I start ticking bottom
or snagging the occasional bit of vegetation.

the upside of being down deep always trump the downside of possibly
having too much weight?

Catching fish has a huge upside in the level of enjoyment and development
of confidence to the point where eventually you can fine tune your
technique and back of on the amount of weight.

Mu

ya know, i just can't resist the opportunity to soapbox on some of this
"nymphing technique" as it relates to fishing with a fly rod.

at some point (and for me, it's after one lead ball), this leaves the
world of "fysshing with a flye", or whatever, and enters the world of "catch
the *******s anyway you can".

if one wants, or needs, to start adding chunks of lead to a line, very
early on a lightweight spinning rod becomes, quite obviously, a much more
efficient tool; and more stylish, to boot.

yfitons
wayno

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
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ya know, i just can't resist the opportunity to soapbox on some of this
"nymphing technique" as it relates to fishing with a fly rod.

at some point (and for me, it's after one lead ball), this leaves the
world of "fysshing with a flye", or whatever, and enters the world of
"catch the *******s anyway you can".

if one wants, or needs, to start adding chunks of lead to a line, very
early on a lightweight spinning rod becomes, quite obviously, a much more
efficient tool; and more stylish, to boot.

yfitons
wayno


Well, mfitons, perhaps that's true if one was to go about adding "chunks of
lead". Which is precisely why , when confronted with a need to get a nymph
down, further and faster, I recommend the addition of salmon eggs and/or
garden hackles (aka #10 Pinkies) rather than lead weights. The upside of the
aforementioned lead substitutes is that they can be added in infinitely
variable quantities, they are bio-degradable, and oddly enough, they seem to
actually *attract* fish.

Danl

"Danl" wrote in message
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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
...

ya know, i just can't resist the opportunity to soapbox on some of
this "nymphing technique" as it relates to fishing with a fly rod.

at some point (and for me, it's after one lead ball), this leaves the
world of "fysshing with a flye", or whatever, and enters the world of
"catch the *******s anyway you can".

if one wants, or needs, to start adding chunks of lead to a line, very
early on a lightweight spinning rod becomes, quite obviously, a much more
efficient tool; and more stylish, to boot.

yfitons
wayno


Well, mfitons, perhaps that's true if one was to go about adding "chunks
of lead". Which is precisely why , when confronted with a need to get a
nymph down, further and faster, I recommend the addition of salmon eggs
and/or garden hackles (aka #10 Pinkies) rather than lead weights. The
upside of the aforementioned lead substitutes is that they can be added in
infinitely variable quantities, they are bio-degradable, and oddly enough,
they seem to actually *attract* fish.

Danl

All well and good, but how the hell do you tie them in? 3/0 thread just
cuts them all to ****!

Wolfgang
who, were he less of a gentleman, would consider bait fishing as a
reasonable alternative.

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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All well and good, but how the hell do you tie them in? 3/0 thread just
cuts them all to ****!


I prefer using #10 - #18 LWSHs (Lead Weight Substitute Holders) sold at most
fly shops, but sometimes by other names. Most come with a convenient built
in barb-like doohickey that assist in holding the LWS onto the
hoo....err...LWSH.

Wolfgang
who, were he less of a gentleman, would consider bait fishing as a
reasonable alternative.


Bait Fishing!!!??? Don't be a cad!

Danl

...and remember, Western Clave Attendees, lead weights are strictly verboten
in der Yallerstone Natl Park!

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:05:04 -0700, "Danl" wrote:

..and remember, Western Clave Attendees, lead weights are strictly verboten
in der Yallerstone Natl Park!

I got myself a better flyvest camera now, so I'll be ready for all those cutts
you catch this year. g
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

Danl wrote:


I prefer using #10 - #18 LWSHs (Lead Weight Substitute Holders) sold at most
fly shops, but sometimes by other names. Most come with a convenient built
in barb-like doohickey that assist in holding the LWS onto the
hoo....err...LWSH.



last year, just below the dam on the madison above cabin creek
campground, there was an older fella (shutup) about 50 yards ahead of me
fishing with a downstream sweep. i was moving along the mountain side
currents. he was catching a fish...some big ones...on almost every
cast. i was...er...wasn't catching anything but a few bruises. i
thought he was swinging wets. no one else in the area was catching
anything. i changed flies 10 or more times before i neared the *******.
when he brought a fish in, i brazenly cast into his lanes as he
concentrated on unhooking his catch. nothing. i looked closer to make
sure his feet were below the water surface. yup, a mere mortal.
whatthefukwashedoin?? when i finally got close enough, i couldn't stand
it any longer, and i asked what he was using....

says he: "i'm cheating today, wanted to catch a few...salmon eggs".

says a bewildered i: "uh...what color?" g

once up close enough to see, i discovered that what i thought was simply
a peculiar fly cleaning gesture made after releasing each fish was
actually the motion used in opening a little jar, retrieving an egg, and
placing it on a lwsh.

hell, i didn't know the madison had salmon egg-layers in it! BG
but the trout sure did love those eggs...

jeff

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Wayne Harrison wrote:

if one wants, or needs, to start adding chunks of lead to a line, very
early on a lightweight spinning rod becomes, quite obviously, a much more
efficient tool; and more stylish, to boot.

yfitons
wayno

I admit it. I am a barbarian. My wife tells me so all the time. But
basically, my approach to fly fishing is maximize versatility with a
minimal amount of tools. I still have a long way to go, but I'm rather
happy in my journey towards the general direction of enlightenment even if
I might never get there.

Soaking my lead balls and lengthening my tippet is another thing entirely
....

Mu

"Mu Young Lee" wrote



I admit it. I am a barbarian. My wife tells me so all the time. But
basically, my approach to fly fishing is maximize versatility with a
minimal amount of tools. I still have a long way to go, but I'm rather
happy in my journey towards the general direction of enlightenment even if
I might never get there.

Soaking my lead balls and lengthening my tippet is another thing entirely


i can't believe that the same guy who tied those amazing, tiny flies
that you sent to me can withstand the grotesque feeling of launching an
ounce or so of lead with a fly at the end of the chain...

yfitons
wayno