Stamp Out (my) Ignorance, Please....

6)I've been using an Albright to connect the leader to tippet. Seems
good to
me, small knot, fairly strong, easy to tie. Good? Bad? I know knot
choice is
a personal thing, but is there any reason "not" to use it?

I don't know Madeline personally, but it seems like a good idea.

AAA+! Great line.... Somehow, I think she'd be rather difficult to cast.

Thanks for the info.

Dan

1) "Knotless" leaders... huh??? I buy these things, nip the loop off,
and
tie up. WTF is the loop for?

Some folks like to use loop-to-loop connections to make
switching leaders easier. The loop on a knotless leader
is a perfection loop and if you've ever tried to tie one
that small you'd appreciate that someone else had done it
for you. The "knotless" in knotless leader refers to its
continuous taper from .021" or .019" at the butt down to
3X, 4X or whatever at the tip. This is relatively recent,
used to be you had to tie different size pieces of mono
together with blood knots to achieve the same taper as
what modern extrusion techniques can produce. But when
you tied all that mono together you had ... knots.

Color me informed...

When you think about it, that just makes sense. The loop is what really
threw off ant sort of logical approach to this.


2) Stream ettiquette -- I was working a pool this morning, and a guy
just
waded right the hell thru it. I didn't say anything, but wanted to drown
the
sumbitch. Am I wrong?

Pricks happen. Don't let them ruin your day.

I was only ****ed for a minute or so. Having spent 12 years running
restaurants, I know all about pricks. Just wondering if I was "right" to be
****ed.

3) Should the fly land first, or should the line? Why? I've caught fish
when
either has happened, but that's just an idiot's luck, I'm sure. I can
usually make either happen, but I have no idea which I should be trying
for.

If you cast just right your fly will be the last thing to
gently settle to the surface of the water.

Sounds good.

4) Tossing a nymph --

Blech.

Agreed, but, well... there is no "but" -- agreed.

5) I really wanted to drown that sumbitch -- I had two decent strikes in
that pool before he destroyed it.

Pricks happen. Don't let them ruin your day.

6)I've been using an Albright to connect the leader to tippet. Seems
good to
me, small knot, fairly strong, easy to tie. Good? Bad? I know knot
choice is
a personal thing, but is there any reason "not" to use it?

No reason not to use it. I use nail knots on both ends of
my fly line.

Thanky very mucho for the info.

Dan

6)I've been using an Albright to connect the leader to tippet. Seems
good to
me, small knot, fairly strong, easy to tie. Good? Bad? I know knot
choice is
a personal thing, but is there any reason "not" to use it?

I've never heard of an Albright knot used for that purpose, except with
wire or heavy mono bite tippet. Use a surgeon's knot.



Is there a particularly bad thing about the Albright knot? I learned that
years ago, and have it down better than a Boy Scout has a square knot.

Thanks for the info.
Dan

"Willi" wrote ..
Daniel-San wrote:

6)I've been using an Albright to connect the leader to tippet. Seems
good to
me, small knot, fairly strong, easy to tie. Good? Bad? I know knot
choice is
a personal thing, but is there any reason "not" to use it?

After many years of fly fishing I just learned the Albright a couple
years ago when I first went fishing in the Salt. I like the knot and now
use it for a number of connections including tying on tippet sections
when I'm tying together two pieces of nylon that differ widely in
diameter.

I used it years ago when trolling for salmon (blech...) on Lake Michigan
with my dad. He liked it for linking leaders to flashers and whatnot. Just
stuck, I guess.

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:11:23 GMT, "Daniel-San"
wrote:

Is there a particularly bad thing about the Albright knot? I learned that
years ago, and have it down better than a Boy Scout has a square knot.

It doesn't make a straight line connection and is a little bulky. I mostly use
it to connect backing to fly line. I used to use it to connect class tippet to
bite tippet for sal****er, but switched to the Huffnagle knot for that. For
trout leaders I just use a double surgeons knot.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

"George Adams" wrote

Daniel-San wrote:
In my continuing efforts to teach myself how to catch fish with some
semblance of regularity, a few questions have arisen. Any help that the
denizens of ROFF could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Please don't laugh -- well, OK, laugh, but laugh with me, not at me.
Remember, I'm a self-taught semi-newb backpacker. And, just for fun,
they're
in completely random order.

1) "Knotless" leaders... huh??? I buy these things, nip the loop off,
and
tie up. WTF is the loop for?

Nip it off and use a nail knot, needle knot, Eagle Claw connector
thingy, or Zap-a-Gap connection to attatch your leader to your line.


2) Stream ettiquette -- I was working a pool this morning, and a guy
just
waded right the hell thru it. I didn't say anything, but wanted to drown
the
sumbitch. Am I wrong?

When this happens to me, I usually ask the offending party if I am
invisible. In reality, the damage done depends on where you are
fishing. If it is for wild trout in a small stream, it's a disaster, if
you're on a crowded stream fishing for stockies, wait a few minutes,
and they'll normally resume feeding. In any case, don't let it spoil
your day....you'll meet assholes everywhere, not just on a trout
stream.

I was on the Black Earth, about to get the skunk off me (or so I like to
think) when the SOB waltzed right on in.

3) Should the fly land first, or should the line? Why? I've caught fish
when
either has happened, but that's just an idiot's luck, I'm sure. I can
usually make either happen, but I have no idea which I should be trying
for.

The line and leader should lay down gently, followed by the fly.

Thanks..

4) Tossing a nymph -- I try to toss it well beyond the fish/area I'm
targeting (with varying degrees of success), but doesn't that "plop"
spook
the fish?

Probably not, but try to get the fly well upstream of your target fish
so it has time to sink.


Makes sense.

5) I really wanted to drown that sumbitch -- I had two decent strikes in
that pool before he destroyed it.

Perfectly normal reaction. Once again, don't let it spoil your day.

6)I've been using an Albright to connect the leader to tippet. Seems
good to
me, small knot, fairly strong, easy to tie. Good? Bad? I know knot
choice is
a personal thing, but is there any reason "not" to use it?

No reason not to use it. I prefer a blood knot, but it's simply a
matter of preference.

More questions will certainly come as I realize just how stupid I am.

Awaiting the berating,

It will come....eventually. Here's a hint - ask lots of questions about
nymphs and strike indicators, and occasionally refer to Budwieser as
"horse****". {;-)

Long ago, I had quite possibly the best job imaginable for a 22-year old
kid. The restaurant where I worked was rolling out a program where they
would be selling a lot of different beers. I got to be a trainer for this.
Prior to my travelling around to teach servers about beer, I got sent to
about 50 different breweries to talk to brew-masters, sample products, and
generally learn about beer. They actually paid me for this. Bottom line: the
only good beer out there is the one(s) you like. The rest are all horse****.

In defense of the huge breweries (A-B, Miller, etc.) -- They really do take
the making of their beer seriously. Yeah, they're mass-produced, but it's
the same beer all the time. Quality-control is a religion, and not in the
closet-Catholic sense.

Thanks for the response.
Dan

"Tim J." wrote ...
George Adams wrote:
Daniel-San wrote:
snip
Awaiting the berating,

It will come....eventually. Here's a hint - ask lots of questions
about nymphs and strike indicators, and occasionally refer to
Budwieser as "horse****". {;-)

. . . and say lots of nice things about Ronald Reagan, like "Ronald
Reagan exemplifies the essence of fly fishing."
--


Saying that would hurt worse than having a monster fish break off two feet
away.

Dan

"Daniel-San" wrote in message
. com...

...In defense of the huge breweries (A-B, Miller, etc.) -- They really do
take
the making of their beer seriously. Yeah, they're mass-produced, but it's
the same beer all the time. Quality-control is a religion, and not in the
closet-Catholic sense.

Yeah, but it's probably good to keep in mind that "quality control" is an
inherently misleading term.....it's all about being consistent, and making
bad products consistently and to rigid standards is far from unusual. Nor
is there anything noteworthy about selling them successfully in large
quantities. Where the output of the major American breweries is concerned,
it's only truly quality control if you happen to value the qualities of the
product. And that, as you noted, is highly subjective.....purely a matter
of taste.

As to the manufacturers in question, I'd counter that they take the making
of their "product" seriously. But they take the marketing thereof even more
seriously. I say "product" rather than "beer" because I don't believe it
makes any difference to the upper echelons of the corporate structure what
the product is. It happens to be beer in this instance, but it could be
anything......say, cigarettes for instance.

What's interesting about Miller and Anheuser Busch is less their products
than the extent to which they go to establish the tastes and loyalty of
their target market by appealing to underage drinkers.......with phenomenal
success, one might add. It isn't so much Kennie's insistence on extolling
the dubious virtues of his favorite horse-**** that's amusing......it's the
fact that his taste was dictated to him when he was sixteen, that he takes
such pains to justify it and, most of all, that he proffers being a willing
dupe as a sign of some sort of cultural superiority.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote ...

Yeah, but it's probably good to keep in mind that "quality control" is an
inherently misleading term.....it's all about being consistent, and making
bad products consistently and to rigid standards is far from unusual. Nor
is there anything noteworthy about selling them successfully in large
quantities. Where the output of the major American breweries is
concerned,
it's only truly quality control if you happen to value the qualities of
the
product. And that, as you noted, is highly subjective.....purely a matter
of taste.

Very true. In the bizzarro-world that is corporate-restaurants, the most
common thing heard is "consistency". Most training programs at least mention
McDonald's during this part. Get a cheesepuck in Beloit, WI and it will
taste really similar to a cheesepuck gotten in Cherokee, NC. Same product
everywhere, every time. Crap product or not.


But they take the marketing thereof even more
seriously. I say "product" rather than "beer" because I don't believe it
makes any difference to the upper echelons of the corporate structure what
the product is. It happens to be beer in this instance, but it could be
anything......say, cigarettes for instance.

Couldn't agree more. It's all about brand image. Just about any product
imaginable has some kind of marketing campaign. No marketing is, in fact
marketing to a certain degree. They want to have certain types of people
(with a certain disposable income level) think of their product when a
"need" comes around. Your example of cigarettes is a particularly good one.
Look at the way certain brands were marketed. The Marlboro man is considered
by some folks as Madison Ave.'s best accomplishment. He's a macho-man type.
A Cowboy. No need for help from anything, except maybe a smoke. Then have a
look at Virginia Slims. Trying to identify with the feminists of the 70s and
80s. "You've come a long way, baby." Then switch to Kool. Very much targeted
at black folks. The old "Kool Jazz festival"...

Personally, I hate marketing. I know it's a fact of life. I know I've
succumbed to it. I know it's a science. I just hate the fact that it's
almost inescapable. My buddy and I were camped on the Manistee a month or so
ago. Dinner time rolls along and I'm gonna make one of those dehydrated
noodle/sauce things that cost a buck and have a shelf-life measured in
millenia. Lipton brand, me thinks. While waiting for the water to boil, I
looked at the package. It has the brand-name, the parent-company's logo, the
brand of butter you're supposed to use, and one or two other products that
they're sure you'll like, complete with logo.

Drives me nuts.


What's interesting about Miller and Anheuser Busch is less their products
than the extent to which they go to establish the tastes and loyalty of
their target market by appealing to underage drinkers.......with
phenomenal
success, one might add. It isn't so much Kennie's insistence on extolling
the dubious virtues of his favorite horse-**** that's amusing......it's
the
fact that his taste was dictated to him when he was sixteen, that he takes
such pains to justify it and, most of all, that he proffers being a
willing
dupe as a sign of some sort of cultural superiority.

While I haven't been around here nearly long enough to comment on whether or
not Ken's loyalty to whatever makes sense, in a general sense, you're
absolutely correct. Again, go to the cigarette industry. Remember the
cartoon camel? I don't know for sure if they were targeting the young here
(I'd bet they were), but let's assume so. What better way to generate a
long-term profit than by hooking the young and having them identify with
your brand? I guess in the tobacco-world the profits may fall off after a
while **cough, cough**, but it sure helps in the mean-time.

Marketing -- ugh!

Dan

Daniel-San wrote:
"Tim J." wrote ...
George Adams wrote:
Daniel-San wrote:
snip
Awaiting the berating,

It will come....eventually. Here's a hint - ask lots of questions
about nymphs and strike indicators, and occasionally refer to
Budwieser as "horse****". {;-)

. . . and say lots of nice things about Ronald Reagan, like "Ronald
Reagan exemplifies the essence of fly fishing."

Saying that would hurt worse than having a monster fish break off two
feet away.

You don't have to *believe* it, you just have to type it. Although it
may be painful for you, these things must be done in order to keep
balance in the universe.
--
TL,
Tim
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