Hook and Sinker Truly Captures ROFB

Scott Seidman Wrote:
Scott Seidman wrote in
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Bob La Londe wrote in
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It looks like hook and sinker has managed to capture all of ROFB in
its own proprietary seeming website. Interesting.

Bob La Londe
'http://www.YumaBassMan.com' (http://www.yumabassman.com/)



Yeah, and they list all of the usenet threads as their own, as well.
I think a fair thing to do would be to email their advertisers, if
they ever get any, and let them know how the site traffic is being
misrepresented.

Scott

This is getting cooler and cooler!! The contact address for advertising
inquiries is

Scott

If you knew what you were talking about you would know that site
traffic is not generated from legally pully posts from usenets. If you
look through the past posts We posted letting everyone on the
newsgroups know that we had setup things up, but no one cared to hear
it.


--
Yellowchaser- http://www.hookandsinker.com - The Sportfishermen's choice for fishing news, over 500+ maps, over 7,000+ schematics, and even these newsgroups are available online!

Yellowchaser wrote in
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If you knew what you were talking about you would know that site
traffic is not generated from legally pully posts from usenets. If you
look through the past posts We posted letting everyone on the
newsgroups know that we had setup things up, but no one cared to hear
it.




So, when I click your "Advertising" link, and see the part that says "We
have a large amount of traffic generated from our popular message boards.
The chart below is for a 30-day period, as you can see we average a very
high number of new posts every day that people just keep coming back for!
You can benefit from this by advertising in the forums. Your ad could be
displayed in over a ½ million topics right now! And ever time a new thread
is posted your ad is automatically added!", and then look at the diagram
below that shows an average of about 300 posts per day to "your popular
message boards" for theperiod between May 23 and Jun 21, that means that
all those posts were generated through your site???

Cause if this isn't the case, you're MISREPRESENTING your site traffic to
your advertisers. Correct me if I'm wrong about the new posts originating
from outside your site.

Hopefully, any ads tagged onto usenet posts will stay on your site. If I
see ads bubbling through to usenet, I will report this to your server host.

Scott

Yellowchaser wrote in
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If you
look through the past posts We posted letting everyone on the
newsgroups know that we had setup things up, but no one cared to hear
it.


Are you talking about this?

http://groups-
beta.google.com/group/rec.outdoors.fishing.bass/browse_frm/thread/c3f4903
9e14de054/e02caddd58782eca?q=hookandsinker+group:*.bass&rnum =1
&hl=en#e02caddd58782eca

I must have missed the part where you said you would be providing a
usenet web portal without identifying it as such, and telling advertisers
about it in such a way that usenet traffic appears to be attributed to
your site.

I don't care what sort of VALID stuff gets posted to the usenet through
your site, so long as its not the kind of crap that Fishman was posting
(extending you the courtesy for the moment of not assuming that you ARE
Fishman, or that Fishman works for or with you in some way--This crap
didn't come from a normal user, who would have to be absolutely insane to
use a web portal interface to post bulk usenet messages!!). I don't even
care if you claim copyright to the Bible to your advertisers.

I do care if the groups I frequent get filled up by crap to the point of
being useless. This is what every group would look like if other people
who had the idea of profiting to a targeted group of usenet readers using
a free medium actually went and implemented it. I also care that you're
claiming MY usenet activity as a hook into your advertisers.

Your site generated about 50 useless messages from somebody else's RSS
feed (yeah, HE'S absolutely thrilled about it!!), and you haven't
apologized, either to him or to other readers--claims of not being
responsible for the crap posted through your site notwithstanding.
You've got ****loads of nerve complaining about all the negative feedback
this has generated, especially as it's raising your hits off the chart.
You've also got all sorts of nerve telling me my claims can be hazardous!
I've looked at your advertising description, and you're claiming that
usenet posts are somehow related to traffic on your site. It's not true.
There could be billions of posts, without ever having a single visitor to
your site. Suggesting anything else to your advertisers is wrong.

Here's some other little gems from your website's advertising link:
"Hook & Sinker® provides you with your own web interface to monitor your
ad campaign(s) with unbelievable detail, including Hourly Times, IP
Addresses, Adviews, Origin Country, CTR, and more. Take control over your
investment and see how your personalized ad campaign is working for you!
Ask some of our competitors how they provide you with a real-time
solution to monitor your advertising campaign and likely they will not
have a clue what you are talking about. You will have your own secure
sign-in to our Exclusive! Advertising Management System."

No wonder why you don't have a privacy statement!!

Long and the short of it is, nobody would have anything to say if crap
weren't spewing from your site.

Scott

"Yellowchaser" wrote in
message ...
look through the past posts We posted letting everyone on the
newsgroups know that we had setup things up, but no one cared to hear

I missed that post... care to provide a google link to it?

Why don't you just stop spamming this newgroup? no one want to read your
bs.

waaa screw you

"Yellowchaser" wrote in
message ...

SNIP


Why not just tell visitors to your site what it is? A usenet portal. Your
site misleads by its very design to appear like a forum. I didn't research
all your advertising claims like others have, but if true then you are
misleading potential clients at the very least, and possibly committing
fraud. Not for me to determine. Perhaps you should ask your attorney.

Now here is a suggestion for you. Add ABPF to your portal with a long
retention period. Then you would be providing a service for all those
usenet users who have servers that don't carry binaries. Of course that
could quickly eat up your bandwidth and storage, but atleast you would truly
be doing something new and useful for a few people.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Like i said idiot read the home page, or can't you read

"Yellowchaser" wrote in
message ...

SNIP


Why not just tell visitors to your site what it is? A usenet portal. Your
site misleads by its very design to appear like a forum. I didn't research
all your advertising claims like others have, but if true then you are
misleading potential clients at the very least, and possibly committing
fraud. Not for me to determine. Perhaps you should ask your attorney.

Now here is a suggestion for you. Add ABPF to your portal with a long
retention period. Then you would be providing a service for all those
usenet users who have servers that don't carry binaries. Of course that
could quickly eat up your bandwidth and storage, but atleast you would truly
be doing something new and useful for a few people.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

"Yellowchaser" wrote in
message ...

SNIP


Why not just tell visitors to your site what it is? A usenet portal. Your
site misleads by its very design to appear like a forum. I didn't research
all your advertising claims like others have, but if true then you are
misleading potential clients at the very least, and possibly committing
fraud. Not for me to determine. Perhaps you should ask your attorney.

Now here is a suggestion for you. Add ABPF to your portal with a long
retention period. Then you would be providing a service for all those
usenet users who have servers that don't carry binaries. Of course that
could quickly eat up your bandwidth and storage, but atleast you would truly
be doing something new and useful for a few people.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com