Penn's/Hemlock Bear

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:51:09 -0400, "Frank Reid"
moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote:

For the new camper, the
careless camper, the just plain dingbat or drunkie, the odds get much
heavier. "Hold my beer while I go pet / scare / fight the bear, will
ya'?" "He's in cooler. Get the cooler back from him." "Little
Jimmie, there's a bear there. Run away. Run away. Run fast!" "Oh,
let the dog loose. It'll chase the bear away." "Grab all the food
and hide in the tent with it." "Little Jimmie, take a donut over
there to feed the bear, we'll get a picture."

Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify as
the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.


Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:51:09 -0400, "Frank Reid"
moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote:

For the new camper, the
careless camper, the just plain dingbat or drunkie, the odds get much
heavier. "Hold my beer while I go pet / scare / fight the bear, will
ya'?" "He's in cooler. Get the cooler back from him." "Little
Jimmie, there's a bear there. Run away. Run away. Run fast!" "Oh,
let the dog loose. It'll chase the bear away." "Grab all the food
and hide in the tent with it." "Little Jimmie, take a donut over
there to feed the bear, we'll get a picture."

Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify
as
the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.


Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.

Not exactly what those in the sciences would call a rigorous proof.

Wolfgang
um.....well, o.k., maybe the neurosciences.

Not exactly what those in the sciences would call a rigorous proof.

Wolfgang
um.....well, o.k., maybe the neurosciences.

um.... well, they sure have a lot of nerve!

vince

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:01:30 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Cyli" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:51:09 -0400, "Frank Reid"
moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote:

For the new camper, the
careless camper, the just plain dingbat or drunkie, the odds get much
heavier. "Hold my beer while I go pet / scare / fight the bear, will
ya'?" "He's in cooler. Get the cooler back from him." "Little
Jimmie, there's a bear there. Run away. Run away. Run fast!" "Oh,
let the dog loose. It'll chase the bear away." "Grab all the food
and hide in the tent with it." "Little Jimmie, take a donut over
there to feed the bear, we'll get a picture."

Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify
as
the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.


Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.

Not exactly what those in the sciences would call a rigorous proof.

Wolfgang
um.....well, o.k., maybe the neurosciences.

You're still alive, right? Only anecdotal evidence, but it worked.
Each anecdote is a datum. Enough data can make for provisional proof.
However, we only have one datum, so I'd not rely on it,
scientifically. Only in this one pragmatic case.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
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"Cyli" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:01:30 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Cyli" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:51:09 -0400, "Frank Reid"
moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote:

For the new camper, the
careless camper, the just plain dingbat or drunkie, the odds get much
heavier. "Hold my beer while I go pet / scare / fight the bear, will
ya'?" "He's in cooler. Get the cooler back from him." "Little
Jimmie, there's a bear there. Run away. Run away. Run fast!" "Oh,
let the dog loose. It'll chase the bear away." "Grab all the food
and hide in the tent with it." "Little Jimmie, take a donut over
there to feed the bear, we'll get a picture."

Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify
as
the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.


Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.

Not exactly what those in the sciences would call a rigorous proof.

Wolfgang
um.....well, o.k., maybe the neurosciences.

You're still alive, right?

Even here in ROFF I'd expect most to accept the mere fact of our testimonial
evidence (irrespective of the specific content thereof) as acceptable and
sufficient to prove that we did indeed survive.

Only anecdotal evidence, but it worked.
Each anecdote is a datum. Enough data can make for provisional proof.
However, we only have one datum, so I'd not rely on it,
scientifically. Only in this one pragmatic case.

Cyli

The English language, she is a slippery beast. A single anecdote delivered
by the protagonist is rock solid proof that he or she survived whatever
adventure is under consideration. On the other hand, the testimonial
evidence of millions of survivors does nothing to establish even provisional
proof that say, warfare for example, is safe. In short, the ex post facto
determination that an activity is safe based solely on the survival of the
participants is fatally flawed. This is precisely the sort of logic that
leads people to dip their children's hands in a pot of honey so that they
can get a photo of a bear licking it off.

Wolfgang

Cyli wrote in
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Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.


So, aside from not setting up camp in a no camping area, and the fact that
nobody got hurt, how is this different than the stoners in the woods?

--
Scott
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On 15 Aug 2005 12:28:00 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Cyli wrote in
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Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.


So, aside from not setting up camp in a no camping area, and the fact that
nobody got hurt, how is this different than the stoners in the woods?


They neither touched nor were touched by the bear. Nobody pulled a
knife. They were able to give a coherent account of the incident
afterward. They didn't have to go to either a hospital or jail
afterward. They, unlike the kids, had had no warning of any problems
in the area (I figure illegal campsites are a warning in themselves.).
While they did run, they ran to a secure place (except in Yellowstone
and Yosemite and a few other overpopulated tourist places, cars and
trucks are pretty secure from bears). Nothing in they account
indicates that they did anything to enrage the bear.

They probably annoyed it in with the truck lights and the horn, but
garbage bears who have found garbage are pretty immune to such
irritations. Noise and light are actually recommended as ways to
chase away bears. I don't know why, because every report I've heard
where it was used had at most a 3% effect, temporary at that, once the
bear has smelled or intuited food nearby.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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