Oh-oh...it's looking at lot worse for the chosen people...

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:29:30 +0100, "Flycatcher"
wrote:

This is meant as a constructive criticism - hope you take it in that spirit.

I do.

Slow down and read your post before you post it - Whether I agree with you
or not is irrelevant, but any point you try to make is lost when your
sentences don't seem to make any sense.

Unless you've been following this particular chapter of the little drama
that is ROFF from the beginning, I'd be surprised if it did make a lot
of sense. But you can rest assured that those at whom it is aimed not
only understand all or at least most of it, but read every word, too.
And FWIW, I suspect, but do not know, that at least some other readers,
should there be any, have an idea of what it is about.

This may be due to a poor grasp of your dialect, but I'm probably not the
only one who is having problems reading it.

To sum it up: I'm making fun of the news media/"information sources"
coming out of New Orleans and those out of the area who are apparently
looking toward these dubious sources as actually informed about
anything. These "sources" regularly mispronounce words that any and
every local know by heart, such as pronouncing "levee" (leh-vee) as
"LEE-vee" and Bourne (basically, "born") as "BOY-knee"/"Bernie" (from
Boca Raton), and using the silly-assed "n'awlins" pronunciation, all the
while offering up all sorts of nonsense about the situation as if they
know intimately the area, its people, and what they think and feel. To
locals of the area, it is similar to seeing supposedly-authentic New
Orleans-based films where someone runs from a swamp into the Vieux
Carre, (nearly) every resident is referred to as a "Cajun," and everyone
calls everyone "my cherie," or something equally silly.

You end up failing to get your point across when the reader gives up
after the second sentence.

Oh, I'm fairly sure my point got across to those for whom it was
intended, but thanks for the input.

TC,
R

I see - its a private party! ;-)

No, you're right - I haven't been on this group long, and was wondering why
this was on a fishing board.

Thanks for the translation. I have to agree about the press - simply
because at the root of every item of news lies one vested interest or
another(politicians, press barons with an axe to grind, a big corporation
looking to do the dirty on one of its competitors/shareholders - the list is
endless). The fact is that the press ends up being used as a propaganda
tool by those interests.

Anyway, enough political rant for now. I have to take photos of some flies
so I can update a page on the website . Some photograph glamour models.
And I do Flies. :-(

Cheers

John



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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:29:30 +0100, "Flycatcher"
wrote:

This is meant as a constructive criticism - hope you take it in that
spirit.

I do.

Slow down and read your post before you post it - Whether I agree with
you
or not is irrelevant, but any point you try to make is lost when your
sentences don't seem to make any sense.

Unless you've been following this particular chapter of the little drama
that is ROFF from the beginning, I'd be surprised if it did make a lot
of sense. But you can rest assured that those at whom it is aimed not
only understand all or at least most of it, but read every word, too.
And FWIW, I suspect, but do not know, that at least some other readers,
should there be any, have an idea of what it is about.

This may be due to a poor grasp of your dialect, but I'm probably not the
only one who is having problems reading it.

To sum it up: I'm making fun of the news media/"information sources"
coming out of New Orleans and those out of the area who are apparently
looking toward these dubious sources as actually informed about
anything. These "sources" regularly mispronounce words that any and
every local know by heart, such as pronouncing "levee" (leh-vee) as
"LEE-vee" and Bourne (basically, "born") as "BOY-knee"/"Bernie" (from
Boca Raton), and using the silly-assed "n'awlins" pronunciation, all the
while offering up all sorts of nonsense about the situation as if they
know intimately the area, its people, and what they think and feel. To
locals of the area, it is similar to seeing supposedly-authentic New
Orleans-based films where someone runs from a swamp into the Vieux
Carre, (nearly) every resident is referred to as a "Cajun," and everyone
calls everyone "my cherie," or something equally silly.

You end up failing to get your point across when the reader gives up
after the second sentence.

Oh, I'm fairly sure my point got across to those for whom it was
intended, but thanks for the input.

TC,
R

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:52:45 +0100, "Flycatcher"
wrote:

(much snipped)

I see - its a private party! ;-)

Yeah, but the public can walk right in. Eventually, they, too, can be
part of the private party. If they care to, after observing it...

No, you're right - I haven't been on this group long, and was wondering why
this was on a fishing board.

Almost everything can be and often is. First of all, it's UseNet.
Second, it's an unmoderated group. Third, most of these guys are long
term users here and have covered pretty much everything there is to
say about flyfishing, so they get bored.

However, I have found much more information here on fish and waters
than I have in any other group, so, even though I was a spinner when I
crept quietly in a few years ago, I've learned a lot about fish and
fishing, done a couple of Claves, met some nice people, and enjoyed
participating in the group. And now have fly gear as well as spinning
gear.


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
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" Yeah, but the public can walk right in. Eventually, they, too, can be
part of the private party. If they care to, after observing it... "

I see! - not sure if I want to do too much politics though . Life's too
short and there's enough crap out there without the need for me to go
looking for/creating ill feeling here as well (imho).

re. starting off spinning, ditto - I used to take hundreds of trout (quite
literally - 117 on one occasion!)on a little black and gold abu toby. I
created a fly based upon it, but Brian (the fishery owner)wouldn't let me
use it :-

http://www.harelaw.net/johnstobyfly.htm .

I'm not sure it would have casted too well anyway.

By the way, what's a clave?

John

"Cyli" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:52:45 +0100, "Flycatcher"
wrote:

(much snipped)

I see - its a private party! ;-)

Yeah, but the public can walk right in. Eventually, they, too, can be
part of the private party. If they care to, after observing it...

No, you're right - I haven't been on this group long, and was wondering
why
this was on a fishing board.

Almost everything can be and often is. First of all, it's UseNet.
Second, it's an unmoderated group. Third, most of these guys are long
term users here and have covered pretty much everything there is to
say about flyfishing, so they get bored.

However, I have found much more information here on fish and waters
than I have in any other group, so, even though I was a spinner when I
crept quietly in a few years ago, I've learned a lot about fish and
fishing, done a couple of Claves, met some nice people, and enjoyed
participating in the group. And now have fly gear as well as spinning
gear.


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

"Flycatcher" wrote ..

By the way, what's a clave?

John


Not that I've ever been, but 'clave' is short for conclave. Just a group
getting together to fish, etc. From what I gather, they tend to be roughly
equal in terms of fishing and 'etcetera'.

Dan

Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?


"Daniel-San" wrote in message
.. .

"Flycatcher" wrote ..

By the way, what's a clave?

John


Not that I've ever been, but 'clave' is short for conclave. Just a group
getting together to fish, etc. From what I gather, they tend to be roughly
equal in terms of fishing and 'etcetera'.

Dan

"Flycatcher" wrote

Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?


Figure out a way to transport the Harelaw Fishery from Scotland to about a
day's drive from Chicago, and I'm in.

Dan

Flycatcher wrote:
Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?

Well, that'd be different anyway.

We are thoroughly spoiled on this side of the pond. I
just can't imagine fishing for stocked fish in a great
big fish bowl. And Harelaw was voted 5th best trout
fishery in Scotland ? That's ... well, hell I don't
know what that is except I won't be planning any fishing
vacations to Scotland anytime soon.

Instead of a Scotland 'Clave you should consider coming
over here for a 'Clave. We've pretty much settled into
a spring 'Clave in Pennsylvania, a summer 'Clave in
Montana, a fall 'Clave in North Carolina and a winter
'Clave on the San Juan in New Mexico along with a few
others on the east coast and in the midwest. We have
had at least a couple of European 'Claves that I know
of but the Euro roffians seem to have gone underground
lately.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:08:10 +0100, "Flycatcher"
wrote:

" Yeah, but the public can walk right in. Eventually, they, too, can be
part of the private party. If they care to, after observing it... "

I see! - not sure if I want to do too much politics though . Life's too
short and there's enough crap out there without the need for me to go
looking for/creating ill feeling here as well (imho).

You don't even have to read the political threads, much less
participate in them. Killfile the whole thread once you realize where
it's headed.

re. starting off spinning, ditto - I used to take hundreds of trout (quite
literally - 117 on one occasion!)on a little black and gold abu toby. I
created a fly based upon it, but Brian (the fishery owner)wouldn't let me
use it :-

http://www.harelaw.net/johnstobyfly.htm .

I'm not sure it would have casted too well anyway.

Snicker. You'd probably want to use a bait chucker with that thing.
How big is it?

By the way, what's a clave?

Conclave. Meet people, drive around, fish various spots. Camping or
hoteling / moteling. Evening gatherings where people talk about their
day. The two biggest are the Penn's Creek one in May and the out west
one in June or July. There are some small ones and people just
meeting up to fish for a day. I think the biggest one I attended
(from this group, the Wisconsin Fly Fishing Board has them, too) was
about 5, though I picked up a stranger in the campground who joined us
for a day. There's nothing like a rod with a fly line leaning against
your picnic table to attract any other fly fishermen around.


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)