Salt Water casting

rw wrote:

Joe McIntosh wrote:

Warm late fall weather is providing lots of redfish in local N. C..
waters

after a successful trip to Harkers Island for False Albacore last week
I am now back in Wilmington fishing daily for reds in creeks flowing
into the inland waterway.Younger fish (puppy drum } and good size
seniors are easy to catch with spinning tackle after you locate them
but I am having real trouble using a fly rod. Casting a nine weight
while standing is real work but as I fish sitting in a kayak my
efforts are really sorry.
Yesterday I was trying to cast a crease (?) lure into a good size pod
of fist and caught my hat [twice], and the water behind me on most
casts.

Anyone with casting procedure suggestions please offer them---when
that tangle of fly, leader and line come flying by it is really
frightening.
them hooks are really BIG and I still have memories of catching my
tongue one day with a size 16 humpy while mountain fishing with Daniel
and Jeff Miller.


Casting a nine-weight and a heavy fly for distance isn't pretty,
especially in the wind, and even more especially in a kayak in the wind.
The kayak puts you lower above the water surface, so you can't get as
much distance as when shallow wading or when casting from a real boat
while standing.

Forget about pretty casts. Try using the water to load the road. Throw
the fly behind you into the water, then use the water loading to send
out more line on the forward cast. You can do this several times,
finally shooting line on a forward cast to your target.


or...get the line moving off the water, and throw the backcast straight
up...or as straight up as possible...it aint pretty, but it seems to
work. of course, i'm partial to light weight spinning gear for such
pursuits. cookin redfish... filet and leave skin & scales on one side
of filet, put skin side down on charcoal grill, dollop the meat with
your favorite seasonings while grilling. it's as good as any fish you'd
care to eat, and better than most...

Jeff Miller wrote:
rw wrote:

Casting a nine-weight and a heavy fly for distance isn't pretty,
especially in the wind, and even more especially in a kayak in the
wind. The kayak puts you lower above the water surface, so you can't
get as much distance as when shallow wading or when casting from a
real boat while standing.

Forget about pretty casts. Try using the water to load the road. Throw
the fly behind you into the water, then use the water loading to send
out more line on the forward cast. You can do this several times,
finally shooting line on a forward cast to your target.


or...get the line moving off the water, and throw the backcast straight
up...or as straight up as possible...it aint pretty, but it seems to
work.

If it's windy and you're throwing a heavy fly, that's likely to lead to
problems, and possibly to piercing of tongues and other fleshy appendages.

The best sal****er casters I've seen use a quite different techniques
from classic light-gear flycasting. They tend to cast more side-arm and
to haul and shoot like crazy. The backcast is nearly always
unobstructed, delicacy of presentation is often not as important as
distance, and the most serious problem is often the wind.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw wrote:

Jeff Miller wrote:

rw wrote:


Casting a nine-weight and a heavy fly for distance isn't pretty,
especially in the wind, and even more especially in a kayak in the
wind. The kayak puts you lower above the water surface, so you can't
get as much distance as when shallow wading or when casting from a
real boat while standing.

Forget about pretty casts. Try using the water to load the road.
Throw the fly behind you into the water, then use the water loading
to send out more line on the forward cast. You can do this several
times, finally shooting line on a forward cast to your target.


or...get the line moving off the water, and throw the backcast
straight up...or as straight up as possible...it aint pretty, but it
seems to work.


If it's windy and you're throwing a heavy fly, that's likely to lead to
problems, and possibly to piercing of tongues and other fleshy appendages.

The best sal****er casters I've seen use a quite different techniques
from classic light-gear flycasting. They tend to cast more side-arm and
to haul and shoot like crazy. The backcast is nearly always
unobstructed, delicacy of presentation is often not as important as
distance, and the most serious problem is often the wind.


if you're sitting in a kayak, it shouldn't be a problem. if you're
standing up in a boat, it might be. i've done it in a lot of different
conditions with no problem. but, hell, i admit i know less than
jack**** about casting form.

double hauling is the surest method...but, with my talent, that'd be
sure to get a hook in me.

jeff

"Jeff Miller" wrote

double hauling is the surest method...but, with my talent, that'd be sure
to get a hook in me.

the only time i have ever needed to double haul is when i went to the
liquor store, bought only a fifth of vodka, and then was faced with a visit
from pj roberts.

yfitp
wayno(i bet you know what i mean...)

Wayne Harrison wrote:


yfitp
wayno(i bet you know what i mean...)



indeed... hell, i've even done the triple haul with the blue-eyed devil,
but quite poorly based upon reports of eyewitnesses.

jeff

"Jeff Miller"

Casting a nine-weight and a heavy fly for distance isn't pretty,
especially in the wind, and even more especially in a kayak in the
wind. The kayak puts you lower above the water surface, so you can't
get as much distance as when shallow wading or when casting from a real
boat while standing.

Indian Joe actualizes- thanks all for casting suggestions--took my kayak
out this AM and could not find Red Fish so decided to try your suggested
methods of casting a nine weight fly rod while seated in a kayak and came to
a probable solution - either get out of the kayak and stand in water--use a
six weight and hope you don't catch a big fish--or toss your fly as far as
you can then paddle in a circle around fish and hope one of them becomes
hungry.

So i pulled over in weeds-had a beer- put a 3" shrimp gulp plastic lure {
outfishes live bait,dispenses scent and flavor better than live bait,more
exciting action and colors than live bait ,100% natural ingredients } on the
end of my spinning line and fished my way home.

Scored a grand slam plus one !!! A small flounder in the hole under a
dock-a trout in the middle of the creek- a small puppy drum off some
oyster shells- and just as I arrived at dock a bluefish in the inland
waterway joined the party.

Headed for mountains next weekend and plan to spend my 75th birthday
climbing rocks and fishing a small stream just east of
Ashville --sure hope each of you are enjoying life as much as this elderly
citizen.
Joe

In article ,
says...


Indian Joe actualizes

Sorry, but I just wanted to see that phrase again.

Kevin

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reply to:
kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

Joe McIntosh wrote:

Scored a grand slam plus one !!! A small flounder in the hole under a
dock-a trout in the middle of the creek- a small puppy drum off some
oyster shells- and just as I arrived at dock a bluefish in the inland
waterway joined the party.

Headed for mountains next weekend and plan to spend my 75th birthday
climbing rocks and fishing a small stream just east of
Ashville --sure hope each of you are enjoying life as much as this elderly
citizen.

Thanks for the report.

I refuse to believe, however, that you are that elderly. I've seen you
roaming around Montana and figure nothing short of a deal with the devil
will keep me in shape that good at the age of *60*.... much less 75.
Hope you have a happy birthday, Joe.

JR wrote:

Joe McIntosh wrote:

Scored a grand slam plus one !!! A small flounder in the hole under
a dock-a trout in the middle of the creek- a small puppy drum off
some oyster shells- and just as I arrived at dock a bluefish in the
inland waterway joined the party.

Headed for mountains next weekend and plan to spend my 75th birthday
climbing rocks and fishing a small stream just east of
Ashville --sure hope each of you are enjoying life as much as this
elderly citizen.


Thanks for the report.

I refuse to believe, however, that you are that elderly. I've seen you
roaming around Montana and figure nothing short of a deal with the devil
will keep me in shape that good at the age of *60*.... much less 75.
Hope you have a happy birthday, Joe.





exactly! must be those manhattans... g happy birthday and counting
on many more.

jeff