Most Humane Way to Clean Fish

Frank Reid wrote:

Barry, here's a lesson. In an attempt to communicate, one should "know
your audience." What this means is that what you find important is not
necessarily what we find important.

How could others not find preventing the pain of suffocation and being
scaled alive through a DAMN EASY METHOD important! You all have the
power to prevent is, but most of you don't seem to want to lift a
finger to get a bucket of ice for the fish, or like the original post
said--use a scaling board and cut off the fish's head first. It's not
like I'm confronting you with ice and telling you to use it. If you're
not sure you want to bother, at least don't hold it against me for
caring. It seems people would rather concentrate on my comments about
fish not mourning as much as people. Do they not mourn at all? Ok, some
animals do, but maybe fish don't. I don't care! My point was that I'm
bothered by the PHYSICAL pain! Do you know that fish don't experience
pain?


your real reason for posting
was to preach your belief system to the "uninitiated." You started out
with a lie, lost all credibility and still are attempting to argue.

The original post might not have been worded perfectly, but it wasn't
my words and I don't know of any lie except from some posters here
about who the author is. There's useful and important information in
it.

Some pos(t)er stomped HisHer foot and pouted:
"How could others not find preventing the pain of suffocation and being

scaled alive through a DAMN EASY METHOD important! You all have the
power to prevent is, but most of you don't seem to want to lift a
finger to get a bucket of ice for the fish, or like the original post
said--use a scaling board and cut off the fish's head first."

Well, soupsandwich, for starters most of us here are catch and release
fisherman. Secondarily, when you are standing up to your balls (its
just an expression, don't get your panties in a knot) in a river,
'lifting a finger to get a bucket of ice for the fish' is laughable.
Thirdly, I don't keep a scaling board hanging off of my fly fishing
vest. Fourthly, being the guy who CAUSED the poor fish family to have
to hold sunday services for its poor departed cousin, it seems rather
incongruous to also be the one who dons surgical gloves and does fishy
mouth to mouth and brings flowers to ease its pain.

How many fish do you think die of old age, peacefully in their sleep?

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
oups.com...

...How many fish do you think die of old age, peacefully in their sleep?

Well, there's the vast majority of those I've pursued. And, having spent
time astream with Wayno, Jeffie, Mark, Tom, Tom, Tom, Ken, Bill, Bob, Steve,
Steve, Uncle Wally, John, George, Joel, Wayne, Kim, Mike, Frank, Frank,
Dave, Joe, and.....and.....uh.....well, sundry others, I'd say the odds are
looking pretty good.

Wolfgang
um.....on the other hand, there's willi.......

riverman wrote:

Well, soupsandwich, for starters most of us here are catch and release
fisherman. Secondarily, when you are standing up to your balls (its
just an expression, don't get your panties in a knot) in a river,
'lifting a finger to get a bucket of ice for the fish' is laughable.
Thirdly, I don't keep a scaling board hanging off of my fly fishing
vest. Fourthly, being the guy who CAUSED the poor fish family to have
to hold sunday services for its poor departed cousin, it seems rather
incongruous to also be the one who dons surgical gloves and does fishy
mouth to mouth and brings flowers to ease its pain.

All I know about fly fishing is that you need little hairy things
called flies. I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.


How many fish do you think die of old age, peacefully in their sleep?

I don't know. I'm just trying to make things easier for the ones on the
boat with the fisherman who caught them.

Do they make electrocution lures that electrocute only the fish that's
caught? That would be a little unsportsmanlike, but that wouldn't
bother me so much for food fishing if it worked well. Or some kid of
electrocution spear.

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All I know about fly fishing is that you need little hairy things
called flies.

It isn't so much a matter of need as it is the fact that if you're out
there, you get 'em.

I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.

Or much of anything else, for that matter.

How many fish do you think die of old age, peacefully in their sleep?

I don't know. I'm just trying to make things easier for the ones on the
boat with the fisherman who caught them.

Maybe you could make formal introductions. That's always helped a lot in
social encounters in my experience.

Do they make electrocution lures that electrocute only the fish that's
caught? That would be a little unsportsmanlike, but that wouldn't
bother me so much for food fishing if it worked well. Or some kid of
electrocution spear.

A firecracker tucked well into the mouth works pretty well......and it's
much simpler (and cheaper) than fancy electrical devices.....not to mention
the bother of batteries or the very real risks associated with running a 440
line from shore. Then too, a .44 to the back of the head (.357 will do in a
pinch.....well, for panfish, anyway) rarely fails to do the job quickly and
with a minimum of fuss. Um.....DO remember to take along a bilge pump!

On the other hand, why not simply take the path of least resistance? If the
metaphysical angst of all these traumatized fish (and let us not forget all
of those other finny, feathery, and furry little beasties with......um,
shall we say 'proscribed lives'?) is just too too much for you to bear, why
then you can make it all go away in a flash.....so to speak. Just hold that
..44 real steady......turn it around.......and squeeze. Don't Jerk!
Squeeeeeeze. Nice and easy. Lights out. End of the world. Tie score all
the way around.

Wolfgang
to sleep......perchance to dream.....

Wolfgang wrote:
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I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.

Or much of anything else, for that matter.

I doubt that ANYONE here believes that. Certainly nobody who matters.


Maybe you could make formal introductions. That's always helped a lot in
social encounters in my experience.

Maybe you should re-read the replies in this thread. There's nothing
remotely formal about it. If my posts don't apply to the fisherman
here, they're still fishing related. Maybe people should pass on the
information instead of calling me sandwich names.

As for riverman's comments below (if you're reading this by date),
you'd think I was asking people to actually go out of their way for
something. Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish. That's all I'm
saying. Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked. I was just mentioning that someone said it works.

On 17 Nov 2005 18:23:36 -0800, wrote:

Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish. That's all I'm
saying. Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked. I was just mentioning that someone said it works.


Sally / Barry, here in Minnesota we have a fly fishing season that's
open January through about the first of April in the few trout streams
that don't ice _completely_ over.

THE FISH COME OUT OF WATER THAT"S GOT ICE IN IT, DOLT. Since it's a
catch and release season, they go right back in the water. And swim
happily away. You can't kill a trout by dumping it in ice water. You
can do a mercy kill on the fish from your aquarium that way, as
they're mostly tropicals, but not sturdy, hardy northern fish.

The reason you're getting answers that lack respect is that you
deserve them. You're neither respectable in your views of fish and
fishing nor respectful of others. Go now.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
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Cyli wrote:

THE FISH COME OUT OF WATER THAT"S GOT ICE IN IT, DOLT. Since it's a
catch and release season, they go right back in the water. And swim
happily away. You can't kill a trout by dumping it in ice water. You
can do a mercy kill on the fish from your aquarium that way, as
they're mostly tropicals, but not sturdy, hardy northern fish.

The reason you're getting answers that lack respect is that you
deserve them. You're neither respectable in your views of fish and
fishing nor respectful of others. Go now.

Again, I need an example of my disrespect. Remember to consider what
I'm replying to.

Catch and release isn't what I had in mind, so maybe this doesn't
apply. For other fishing, the ice is meant to anesthetize the fish, as
it says in the original post. If a fish won't stay in the icy container
you put it in, then it won't work, though I'm thinking you can cover it
or use a deep container. If it doesn't work, that doesn't make me a
dolt. It make me someone who wants to prevent thousands of cases of
suffering per day, and the lack of support here, and lack of complaints
about people like you makes this newsgroup suck.

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Wolfgang wrote:
wrote in message
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I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.

Or much of anything else, for that matter.

I doubt that ANYONE here believes that. Certainly nobody who matters.

Well, that raises an interesting question. Who among us really does matter?
I mean, I'm perfectly willing to concede your point......nobody who believes
what I say matters. But then we find ourselves in the rather peculiar
position of having to admit that there are particular people who are worth
less than ANY fish, ALL of which we KNOW matter, else why would we be
concerned about easing their path into that good night, right? But wait!
Common sense dictates that agreeing with me on one minor issue (after all,
the nature, volume, condition, or psig of what resides between your ears is
not likely to be regarded as an issue of great import by any thinking
person) can hardly be the only test by which an individual's worth can be
determined. There must be someone....somewhere....who isn't even aware of
what I think about all of this. So, what test shall we apply in these
cases? I sure wish you would help me out here.

Maybe you could make formal introductions. That's always helped a lot in
social encounters in my experience.

Maybe you should re-read the replies in this thread. There's nothing
remotely formal about it.

Exactly! That's my point! In all of these casual encounters, nobody pays
much attention to the time honored niceties of the ettiquette of killing
precisely because they ARE casual. It's just another example of the
pervasive erosion of civility that follows inevitably from the blithe
acceptance of an increasingly permissive society. I swear to you that if
you would simply bend your considerable intellect and energies to the formal
introduction of fishermen (and women, let us not forget) to their partners
in this dance of death (the fish, in case you've lost track) you would see
an immediate difference. Implausible it may seem, but I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if, once they got to know one another as individuals, they didn't
soon cease these senseless hostilities and, recognizing one another's worth,
decided to have crumpets together instead.

If my posts don't apply to the fisherman
here,

We'll ask him......as soon as he arrives. You see, he isn't actually here
right now. As a matter of fact, we haven't heard much from him at all
lately. We're starting to get a little worried.

they're still fishing related.

Who could doubt it? Has anyone said they are not? If so, name the bounder
and I will personally see to it that he is severely chastized and/or
rebuked.

Maybe people should pass on the
information instead of calling me sandwich names.

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but I think just about everyone
here has already passed on the information. That's sort of what they've
been trying to tell you. Oh, and a rube is not a sandwich......you're
probably confusing it with a Reuben.

As for riverman's comments below (if you're reading this by date),

I'm actually reading this by candlelight, but I don't think that should make
a great deal of difference. Please, do go on.

you'd think I was asking people to actually go out of their way for
something. Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish.

Actually, you ARE asking people to go out of their way. Streamside ice
machines may be a common feature where you live, but here in the upper Great
Lakes region they just haven't caught on.......yet. As things stand (by
date) a fisherman (or woman) here would have to walk all the way out of the
stream, climb up an often slippery bank (the stairs are typically in a
terrible state of repair due to budget cuts), and stumble around in the
woods for miles and hours searching for the nearest ice. Well, actually,
it's not all that bad in the winter......but in July or August scaling the
fish would be moot by the time a sufficent quantity of ice could be found.
And THEN there's still the problem of carrying sufficient loose change to
plug into the machine.....IF it's even working!

That's all I'm saying.

It's enough.....believe me. Um......oh yeah, I guess that puts us right
back where we started, huh?

Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked.

Attacked? Oh, dear Sparky, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

I was just mentioning that someone said it works.

Oh.....well.....if that's all......

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

wrote in message
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I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.

Or much of anything else, for that matter.

I doubt that ANYONE here believes that. Certainly nobody who matters.


Well, that raises an interesting question. Who among us really does matter?
I mean, I'm perfectly willing to concede your point......nobody who believes
what I say matters. But then we find ourselves in the rather peculiar
position of having to admit that there are particular people who are worth
less than ANY fish, ALL of which we KNOW matter, else why would we be
concerned about easing their path into that good night, right? But wait!
Common sense dictates that agreeing with me on one minor issue (after all,
the nature, volume, condition, or psig of what resides between your ears is
not likely to be regarded as an issue of great import by any thinking
person) can hardly be the only test by which an individual's worth can be
determined. There must be someone....somewhere....who isn't even aware of
what I think about all of this. So, what test shall we apply in these
cases? I sure wish you would help me out here.


Maybe you could make formal introductions. That's always helped a lot in
social encounters in my experience.

Maybe you should re-read the replies in this thread. There's nothing
remotely formal about it.


Exactly! That's my point! In all of these casual encounters, nobody pays
much attention to the time honored niceties of the ettiquette of killing
precisely because they ARE casual. It's just another example of the
pervasive erosion of civility that follows inevitably from the blithe
acceptance of an increasingly permissive society. I swear to you that if
you would simply bend your considerable intellect and energies to the formal
introduction of fishermen (and women, let us not forget) to their partners
in this dance of death (the fish, in case you've lost track) you would see
an immediate difference. Implausible it may seem, but I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if, once they got to know one another as individuals, they didn't
soon cease these senseless hostilities and, recognizing one another's worth,
decided to have crumpets together instead.


If my posts don't apply to the fisherman
here,


We'll ask him......as soon as he arrives. You see, he isn't actually here
right now. As a matter of fact, we haven't heard much from him at all
lately. We're starting to get a little worried.


they're still fishing related.


Who could doubt it? Has anyone said they are not? If so, name the bounder
and I will personally see to it that he is severely chastized and/or
rebuked.


Maybe people should pass on the
information instead of calling me sandwich names.


Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but I think just about everyone
here has already passed on the information. That's sort of what they've
been trying to tell you. Oh, and a rube is not a sandwich......you're
probably confusing it with a Reuben.


As for riverman's comments below (if you're reading this by date),


I'm actually reading this by candlelight, but I don't think that should make
a great deal of difference. Please, do go on.


you'd think I was asking people to actually go out of their way for
something. Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish.


Actually, you ARE asking people to go out of their way. Streamside ice
machines may be a common feature where you live, but here in the upper Great
Lakes region they just haven't caught on.......yet. As things stand (by
date) a fisherman (or woman) here would have to walk all the way out of the
stream, climb up an often slippery bank (the stairs are typically in a
terrible state of repair due to budget cuts), and stumble around in the
woods for miles and hours searching for the nearest ice. Well, actually,
it's not all that bad in the winter......but in July or August scaling the
fish would be moot by the time a sufficent quantity of ice could be found.
And THEN there's still the problem of carrying sufficient loose change to
plug into the machine.....IF it's even working!


That's all I'm saying.


It's enough.....believe me. Um......oh yeah, I guess that puts us right
back where we started, huh?


Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked.


Attacked? Oh, dear Sparky, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.


I was just mentioning that someone said it works.


Oh.....well.....if that's all......

Wolfgang



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