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"Willi" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:


is that anyone that would say things on the Internet he wouldn't have the
balls to say face to face deserves punishment. Now I mean that more in
a social sense than a legal one, as free speach is something we need to
defend.


So, what you're saying is that free speech can only be defended by
beating someone up.....or being beaten up.....in a face to face
confrontation? But then, it isn't really punishment, is it? I guess I
probably wouldn't tell you to your face that the logic you display above
is twisted. Personally, I think that isn't necessarily a matter of
balls.



Then maybe you can explain to me what it is?

Maybe.

You and I met at Penns a couple of years ago. Now, we didn't exactly hang
out together for the whole week, but we did bump into one another on several
occasions and we DID spend a couple of hours together at the Millheim
hotel......even sat next to one another at a table back by the bar. A
perfect opportunity for you to say to my face any or all of the things
you've said to me here. Didn't happen.* What's up with that? No balls?
Or was there, perhaps, something else at work? Oh, and lest there be any
confusion about dates, I suspect it wouldn't be hard to confirm that you'd
been critical of my behavior before then.

This is the "trouble" I have with you and it's a behavior that makes no
sense to me. What's ironic, is that I agree with the position you take
in many situations, however, what I don't understand and find
distasteful is the manner in which you do it. I've discussed your name
calling/insulting behavior on ROFF with a number of people who have
spent time with you and their response is that you act in a completely
different manner in person. For me, the way you treat people on the
internet is just as much a part of "who you are" as how you treat people
face to face. I don't understand what you hope to achieve with your
personal insults and name calling. Sure, you can do it, it's "FREE
SPEECH" but IMO, it's also totally counter productive if you have a goal
of something other than ****ing people off.

Well, first of all, there are many possible goals. Are you absolutely
certain that you've examined ALL of them?

If you know anybody.....or ever meet anybody.....who behaves in exactly the
same manner in all social contexts, in all milieus, in all situations, be
very very careful......there's some serious pathology at work there. Fully
functional human beings just aren't that simple.

You're right, the way one behaves on the internet IS as much a part of who
one is as what one does in face to face encounters. Well......not
quite.....or not necessarily quite, that is. The way one behaves....in
person or on line....is certainly indicative of SOMETHING.......but it isn't
always easy to determine to a high degree of accuracy just what that
something is. Take it all at face value and you end up living in a
terrifying world, and hell, it's already scary enough without that ****.
But, I know you don't do that.....I mean, that's what this little chat is
all about....right? Odd, though, that you single me out for what is, after
all, a very common pattern of behavior. Haven't you noticed that your
friend Steve is frequently in the middle of these little puppet shows? Do
you also pity him?

Actually, why don't we cut the **** here. We really aren't talking about
pity at all, are we? I mean, there have been a number of notes that come
through pretty clearly in these communiqués of yours and pity is not among
them.....but contempt certainly is. Mind you, that's o.k......in fact it's
more than just o.k.....I heartily approve. And while I may never have
stated it quite so baldly, I think I have been pretty clear about it.
Curious isn't it.....that one should carry around such a boatload of
contempt for the one person in this newsgroup who has expressly stated his
support of your right to do so......and to express it in whatever manner you
wish. Or maybe not. After all, YOU aren't hurting anyone's
feelings......right?

Wolfgang
*well, you WERE a bit.....um.....shall we say taciturn?

Wolfgang wrote:

"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
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http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

Interesting case, Bill. What's your position on this?

Beautiful cast, Wolfgang. I swear I didn't see the slightest hint
of a ripple when the fly landed. Now let's follow the drift ...


Chuck Vance (who loves watching a real angler at work)

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
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http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

Interesting case, Bill. What's your position on this?

Beautiful cast, Wolfgang. I swear I didn't see the slightest hint of a
ripple when the fly landed. Now let's follow the drift ...


Chuck Vance (who loves watching a real angler at work)

A pretty metaphor, but misplaced. This is yet another of Bill's periodic
trolls......I just took the bait.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Beautiful cast, Wolfgang. I swear I didn't see the slightest hint of a
ripple when the fly landed. Now let's follow the drift ...

Chuck Vance (who loves watching a real angler at work)

A pretty metaphor, but misplaced. This is yet another of Bill's periodic
trolls......I just took the bait.

Well, OK, but you took it and flung it back in the boat. :-)


Chuck Vance (and the troller became the trollee)

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Beautiful cast, Wolfgang. I swear I didn't see the slightest hint of
a ripple when the fly landed. Now let's follow the drift ...

Chuck Vance (who loves watching a real angler at work)

A pretty metaphor, but misplaced. This is yet another of Bill's periodic
trolls......I just took the bait.

Well, OK, but you took it and flung it back in the boat. :-)


Chuck Vance (and the troller became the trollee)

Nah, flinging things at Bill's retreating form is pro forma.....one does it
because it is what one does. Odds are he won't respond. He tried that a
few times and ended up soiling himself ever more surely, frequently and
spectacularly. Since then, he's become a classic (if rather bumbling)
troll. He takes his shot and scurries away to bask in the accolades from
the haters and dimwits.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
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http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

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Bill Kiene

Interesting case, Bill. What's your position on this?

Wolfgang

McIntosh adds--dear mr wolfgang--have not checked with my nc legal buddies
but if this case holds up would advise you hide your money in a buried tin
can and declare bankruppcy-----think we could sue Mr Klien for false dating
a posting .?

"Joe McIntosh" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
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http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

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Bill Kiene

Interesting case, Bill. What's your position on this?

Wolfgang

McIntosh adds--dear mr wolfgang--have not checked with my nc legal
buddies but if this case holds up would advise you hide your money in a
buried tin can and declare bankruppcy

Make it aluminum and they can have the contents......I get to keep the can.

-----think we could sue Mr Klien for false dating a posting .?

I'm not sure that's actionable. How about impersonating an adult?

Wolfgang

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Bill Kiene wrote:

http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

Wow, shades of Gink.

Mu

"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message
c.itd.umich.edu...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Bill Kiene wrote:

http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

Wow, shades of Gink.

Mu

Although he frightened me at times... deep down, I had the impression that
George was a really kind soul.

A little crazy perhaps, but you can't say he wasn't enertaining..

I met him once, at the henrys fork gathering... it was a few years after
some of the bizarre writings and the bamboo rod adventures. In my
presence, and amidst a large group of us, he was kind, gracious,
generous, and witty. I watched him with Warren's daughter, who was
probably 4 or 5 at the time. She adored George. She was very happy and
comfortable with him and being held by him. He likewise treated her in
the same manner a good grandpa treats his grandchild...tenderly,
affectionately, humorously, attentively, and with obvious heartfelt joy.
They each had big grins. I'm sorry I didn't get to spend more time
around him. I think there was much more that was positive and worth
knowing about him than the stuff this place revealed. I have one of his
early ******* bamboo rods...i'm glad to own it, and it has pleasant
memories attached.

jeff

Skwala wrote:


Although he frightened me at times... deep down, I had the impression that
George was a really kind soul.

A little crazy perhaps, but you can't say he wasn't enertaining..