Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:28:15 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote:
"Bill Kiene" wrote in
et:

We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs @
only $99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of
any kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016


What would the advantage be over a FC tippet?

Sheesh, Bill finally loosens up a little bit and posts a funny
and it flies over some heads so fast it leaves scorch marks.

Clearly, this group has *way* too much disposable income...

/daytripper (hoping to become similarly afflicted some day ;-)

Tom Nakashima wrote:
I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some
great advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are
they worth paying the extra?
-tom

Before using it you might not be aware of the environmental issues.
This is an extract from this article
http://www.utahonthefly.com/articles/fluoro.html. Whether it is true
or not I have no idea, I always use nylon monofilament anyway.

"Although there is no known biodegradable timetable for these products
when intentionally or accidentally discarded within a natural
environment, researchers have stated that it far surpasses
monofilaments longevity by 100's to 1000's of years. On the flip side,
monofilament lines degrade by 40% when exposed to just 100 hrs. of
ultra violet rays and even more rapidly when exposed to water since
monofilaments do absorb water."

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knows that if I don't think the message is important after about 15
seconds, I just delete it, with the rest unheard.

and you're still married? ;-)

My wife and I have discussed this at length. She would ask me to go talk to
one of our kids about something they did wrong and I'd be back in a few
minutes. She didn't understand how I could have had any impact with a
subject that would have been, for her, a half-hour lecture. My talks usually
went something like:

"Did you do that?"
"Yes."
"Do you think that was a smart thing to do?
"No."
"Okay then. Don't do it again. You're grounded"

I always figured people's (especially kids) attention spans are short, and
it was best to get to the point.
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and you're still married? ;-)

I'm pretty sure that's the case, but maybe there's some pertinent info to
the contrary towards the end of one of these long messages.

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In article . net, rw
wrote:

Fluorocarbon leaders are a means to separate gullible, desperate
flyfishermen from the contents of their wallets.

Agreed. Like a lot of fly fishing gear. But this one is too much for
me.

I need a good reason for changing (from Maxima) and so far, in spite of
experiments, I haven't found one

Laz`arus

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:27:15 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth paying
the extra?
-tom



Expensive? Yes. Worth it? I believe so. I use only fc
leaders/tippets when nymphing, especially if I am using very small (20
- 26) nymphs. I have found that it is much more rugged than nylon
leaders, especially when constantly being rubbed against underwater
rocks/structure.

While some complain about the stiffness of the material, especially
when used with dry flies, I have no problems. Because fc sinks, I
apply a floatant to the tippet portion up to about six inches from
the fly.

I swear by the stuff!





I use floro when I'm going to be doing alot of nymphing but I only use
it as tippet material. I like to use a long length of tippet, about six
or seven feet tied to a very short leader, 2 to 3 feet, of standard mono.

I find it sinks easier than mono and that means you can fish deeper with
less weight. Because of that, I also especially like it for tying a
dropper off a dry.

Willi

"rw" wrote in message
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Wayne Knight wrote:
rw wrote:


There MAY be a case for fluorocarbon tippet, but I'm skeptical. I've
compared FC and ordinary mono in water, and I don't see any difference.



Like I said, I think they're great for nymphing in certain situations
but that's not my reason for posting.

I don't care that YOU don't see anydifference, the question is.....do
THE FISH *see* a difference?

That's precisely right, Wayne. Unfortunately, I don't see like a fish, so
I have to go with what I've got.

I have the strong suspicion that people who swear by FC have fallen for a
seductive fallacy: Cum Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc, or "With this, therefore
because of this."

Maybe the fishing was slow, so they tried changing tactics, changing
flies, and finally changing to FC. Suddenly, the fishing got hot, but it
wasn't due to the FC. Sometimes the fishing just gets hot. But it's fixed
in their minds that the FC was the cause, and the selling point about the
index of refraction is at least plausible.

It would be possible to test the effectiveness of FC objectively, with
blind tests in actual fishing conditions. It would be time consuming
because you'd need lots of trials to make a confident conclusion. AFAIK,
it's never been done.

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Done lots of time in sal****er. Days when you have to have FC leader to get
a tuna to bite. Same rig next to you with mono leader, no bites.

Tom I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some
Tom great advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are
Tom they worth paying the extra?

I have stayed away from them because from what I have heard it takes
ages for fluorocarbon to decompose. I just like rivers and fish too
much to use that kind of stuff.

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We don't push FC tippet or leaders on anyone but many of the top fly fishers
I know are using it including some of the cheapest guys I know.

FC tippet material is selling more every year.

One thing I like about it is the fact that it does not go bad over time so I
don't have to throw my tippet material away anymore.

It sinks faster than regular mono.

It has abrasion resistant qualities.

It does not refract light like regular mono.

As far as leaders go we don't sell many because most just worry about the
tippet part of the leader system.

In clear water many are using FC tippet material now.

Our most popular brands are Rio 'FluroFlex Plus' and Seagar 'Grand Max'.

If you never buy any it does not mean you are a bad person.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth
paying the extra?
-tom

"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
om...
We don't push FC tippet or leaders on anyone but many of the top fly
fishers I know are using it including some of the cheapest guys I know.

FC tippet material is selling more every year.

One thing I like about it is the fact that it does not go bad over time so
I don't have to throw my tippet material away anymore.

It sinks faster than regular mono.

It has abrasion resistant qualities.

It does not refract light like regular mono.

As far as leaders go we don't sell many because most just worry about the
tippet part of the leader system.

In clear water many are using FC tippet material now.

Our most popular brands are Rio 'FluroFlex Plus' and Seagar 'Grand Max'.

If you never buy any it does not mean you are a bad person.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth
paying the extra?
-tom


Thanks for the info, I may just purchase the FC tippet material.
-tom