Cheney shoots someone (I'm not kidding)

On 13 Feb 2006 11:35:33 -0800, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:

What astounds me to this day is that as a matter of routines, we
(liberals) keep getting our asses kicked and it's just crap like this
that cause it. It was a freeking hunting accident with enough
negligence happening to result in a man being shot. It's not like he
shot the man by purposedly pointing the gun at him. Just what the hell
in this case is there to get away with?

We can bitch about balance and justice all the day long but when we
can't be balanced and fair, by what ethical standard can we hold them?

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riverman wrote:

I am absolutely
astounded by the ability of both Bush and Cheney to pretty much do
whatever
they want and to get away with it, even shooting someone in the face.
God,
the list of things they do with impunity is just getting so damn long...

What astounds me to this day is that as a matter of routines, we
(liberals) keep getting our asses kicked and it's just crap like this
that cause it. It was a freeking hunting accident with enough
negligence happening to result in a man being shot. It's not like he
shot the man by purposedly pointing the gun at him. Just what the hell
in this case is there to get away with?


Escapes me Wayne. Certainly couldn't be that he wasn't properly licensed,
right? And its doubtful that he was drinking again and needed to avoid a
breath test, right? I mean the local Sheriff said this was just a garden
variety hunting accident, (you know spinning around while you pull the
trigger and shooting a companion in the face.) And hardly anyone is aware
that the guy he shot is one of the most notorious fixers and bagmen in Texas
history, right? No one could expect the Vice ****ing President, to not leave
the scene of a shooting even if he was the shooter. I don't even believe
the stuff about how the hospital found that the victim had been wearing a
wire.

Yeah, Waynes right, Whats the hell to get away with? Besides, I heard on
Hannity today the Clinton and Gore killed lots of guys and the media just
ignored it.

Dave
Word on the street is that DeLay is "going to the mattresses," because
Cheney is "cleaning up a little unfinished business."
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Wayne Knight wrote:

What concerns me more than the lack of an announcement, is at least one
major newspaper is quoting an animal hack calling hunting wrong. I
fear the conversation will mover more this way than the VP forgetting
the basic safety rules of hunting.

Cheney is a pig of a "hunter." He has a history of shooting scores of
farm-raised birds in canned "hunts."

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rw wrote in news:cH2If.191$VI6.132
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Cheney is a pig of a "hunter." He has a history of shooting scores of
farm-raised birds in canned "hunts."

Fair is fair. Game birds are alot fewer and farther between in NY State,
at least, than they were two decades ago. Many hunters enjoy wing shooting
in similar environments, as its the closest that they can get to the real
thing. It's not like it's a fenced-in deer facility.

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Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote in news:cH2If.191$VI6.132
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Cheney is a pig of a "hunter." He has a history of shooting scores of
farm-raised birds in canned "hunts."


Fair is fair. Game birds are alot fewer and farther between in NY State,
at least, than they were two decades ago. Many hunters enjoy wing shooting
in similar environments, as its the closest that they can get to the real
thing. It's not like it's a fenced-in deer facility.

So you think that shooting 70 farm-raised pheasants is sport?

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Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote:
Cheney is a pig of a "hunter." He has a history of shooting scores of
farm-raised birds in canned "hunts."

Fair is fair. Game birds are alot fewer and farther between in NY State,
at least, than they were two decades ago. Many hunters enjoy wing shooting
in similar environments, as its the closest that they can get to the real
thing. It's not like it's a fenced-in deer facility.

Yeah, but it's not like real wing shooting either if the ones
in New York state are anything like the ones here in Illinois.
Around here you pay for X amount of birds, X amount of birds
are taken out of their pens and planted in a field, and X
amount of birds are shot, one way or the other. They may as
well be fenced in for all the chance they have. I won't hunt
pheasant at one of those places.

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Ken Fortenberry

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

.....how can the thought of cover up NOT occur?

I think there's a difference between not reporting it (not a coverup)
than hiding the fact (cover up).

Fine line......at best. The first step in hiding anything is not reporting
it, ainna?

If one can believe what one hears on the tv news, i heard one report
yesterday where it said the guy who was shot came up behind the VP and
didn't let him know he was there, essentially assigning blame to the
victim. (and this wasn't Fox either)

Well, I don't know all the details.....and none of us ever will. That said,
the phrase "blaming the victim" smells strongly of the supposition that
victims never share in the responsibility for what happens to them. This is
patently absurd.

Cheney obviously screwed up, he had the gun, took the shot and didn't
ensure there was no one in the path.

Cheney PROBABLY screwed up with regard to the shooting. This is generally
the case in such situations, but it is by no means impossible for someone to
get shot without the shooter having done anything stupid.

Send him back to a basic hunter
safety class but I'm not sure I would issue a press release saying I
did something stupid either.

You aren't the vice president of the United States. Cheney DID screw up in
not making the matter public immediately.

What concerns me more than the lack of an announcement, is at least one
major newspaper is quoting an animal hack calling hunting wrong. I
fear the conversation will mover more this way than the VP forgetting
the basic safety rules of hunting.

No surprise there. I don't expect people to refrain from commenting on
issues that concern them. Animal rights activists would be idiots to pass
on an opportunity like this.

Wolfgang

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rw wrote:

The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight tried to cover it up:



No Dick, it's not Quayle season.
-tom

"Wayne Knight" wrote


Whoever came up with this needs to work in marketing, not political
spin.


IMHO, a large part of the reason for the 'shift to the right' in recent
years is because that side has better admen, selling an inferior product.
I don't think it's possible to overstate just how gullible our TV raised
culture is to well crafted advertising.

To that we can add the fact that the 'conservative thought' is much easier
to present in sound bite fashion. Not that it's better thought, just
easier to put into a few, oft repeated, words.

A conservative can find his "there is one right way, in all situations, at
all times, no more thought needed" answer on a given topic, refine it to the
minimum words and Bush-like recite his manta, each and every time that topic
comes up. A liberal is forced, by his beliefs, to actually consider other
points of view and the idea that different solutions need to be applied to
different problems. When he tries to explain that far more thoughtful
position it comes off as 'wishy washy' to a public trained to decide by what
they are told to decide by how many times they've seen the exact same ad,
over and over, telling them what to think.

Larry L typed:

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To that we can add the fact that the 'conservative thought' is much
easier to present in sound bite fashion. Not that it's better
thought, just easier to put into a few, oft repeated, words.

No, it's better. Trust me.

A conservative can find his "there is one right way, in all
situations, at all times, no more thought needed" answer on a given
topic, refine it to the minimum words and Bush-like recite his manta,
each and every time that topic comes up.

You're, of course, assuming that Bush IS a conservative, which he has proven
he's not. And, BTW, many times there IS just one right way to do things. I
just wish these freakin' political hacks could choose that way once in a
while.

A liberal is forced, by
his beliefs, to actually consider other points of view and the idea
that different solutions need to be applied to different problems.

Yeah, once he's told what to believe. ;-)

When he tries to explain that far more thoughtful position it comes
off as 'wishy washy' to a public trained to decide by what they are
told to decide by how many times they've seen the exact same ad, over
and over, telling them what to think.

Talk about yer oversimplification! Hoo boy.
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TL,
Tim
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