Cheney shoots someone (I'm not kidding)

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
k.net...

I've fished in roughly comparable situations. Wounded Knee in North
Carolina is the closest parallel I can think of. I won't be going back
there, but it was great fun that one time.



It's Wounded Fork in NC. Wounded Knee was a different kind of hunt in an
entirely different state.

All I can remember is that it was Wounded Something-or-Other, and that
the guy had a wolf -- a big one. And every one of the numerous little
knickknacks and ornaments and tchotchkes in his place was related to
fishing. And that the infamous college basketball coach Bobby Knight had
just been there, recovering from one his more memorable chair-throwing
falls from grace.

The proprietor was gracious and he liked Walt Winter a lot. He allowed
us to fish there. Walt lost a big one.

I went back the next day, taking a guided spot that Joe MacIntosh had
given up. The guide was Ollie, from the Orvis shop. Great guy. Fun to
fish with. He came to the raffle that night and I won his raffle prize,
a t-shirt, which you can see me wearing in this photo:

http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/rainbow.JPG

:-)

I caught two memorable fish. The first was a "Kamloops" rainbow (this is
in North Carolina, mind you) that I caught on one of Ollie's "sucker
egg" patterns. It looked like a perfect imitation of a Purina Trout Chow
pellet. The fish was probably pushing 7 pounds, maybe more, and I caught
it in a pool the size of a modest hotel hot tub. Ollie hot-netted it.
There was no other way. Maybe saying that I "caught" it is a stretch.

The second was a freakish palomino rainbow (which Ollie and the
proprietor called "golden trout"). This was actually a challenging fish.
I fished and fished and fished to it, nearly at my feet, with one
pattern after another. It was driving me nuts. It finally took a beetle
that I splashed down as hard at I could, right on top of it. Ollie was
very excited.

I have no idea how to get there, Wayno.

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:39:46 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:56:45 GMT, rw
wrote:

Wayne Knight wrote:
William Claspy wrote:


(hmmm..... hey Wayne, you still planning on bird hunting during the Yoop
clave this fall? Just want to know if I should pack the body armor :-)


What's a little spraying with bird shot? You can go back to work and
tell everyone how bad the mosquitos were.

Yeah, he can do that after he gets out of intensive care.

I believe he went to intensive care because of his age, not the
wounds. I was sprayed with birdshot (abouot 200 yards away) when I
was a kid. I had a split second to duck my head when I heard the shot
hitting the tobacco barn. I had several shot hit my hat, and two his
my hand. Left a welt - didn't even break the skin.

This is yet another of the ridiculous "discussions" here on ROFF. From
what I've heard, Cheney ****ed up, pure and simple - it involved hunting
with guns and Cheney's finger was on the trigger. Barring someone
literally setting up their own "self-shooting," if one is hunting and
accidentally shoots someone, it's mostly on the shooter - you don't
shoot unless you _know_ what's down-range. And Whittington's injuries
are not material to Cheney's actions, whether Whittington went to
intensive care or had a PA put some Neosporin and one of those useless
"blood donation dot" bandages on his boo-boo.

But this type of accident happens with hunting; hunting is not a
perfectly safe sport because humans are involved. Yes, Whittington
would share some of the blame _IF_ he didn't practice reasonable hunting
safety by coming up unannounced and "popped" up out of a
gully/depression.

The real shame is that none of it is worthy of much more than a minor
notice, and such an event wouldn't even make the DFW papers if it had
occurred in Granbury (30 miles away) and involved a couple of DFW
business exec-types. In fishing terms, it appears that Whittington
walked up behind Cheney as he was casting and got hooked.

As to the type of shot, I'd rather not have someone shooting toward me,
but I'd much rather have someone shoot toward me with one slug than a
pattern of 7 1/2's at 20 yards. In fact, at such ranges, small shot is
much more likely to cause damage than a bullet fired from a typical
hunting rifle.

And Louie, at 200 yards, you weren't "sprayed," it just landed all
around your general area, which is so common as to be considered typical
in things like dove hunting - that's why sensible folks wear hunting
hats and shooting glasses.

TC,
R

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:00:34 GMT, rw
wrote:

Tim J. wrote:

So "Republican culture of corruption" is a Bush-like mantra, right?

Chaney was hunting illegally. He didn't have the required upland game
bird permit. Are you happy about voting for a poacher?

In the grand scheme of things, considering the mind-boggling, scandalous
illegality this administration is involved in, I guess not having the
required hunting tag doesn't rank very high. But it's indicative of the
sense of privilege and the basic incompetence of this crew. No doubt
Cheney will blame his lack of a tag on some pathetic, low level member
of his staff.

That's not a very accurate picture of things, even from you. The upland
stamp is a recent addition (like 3-4 months), replacing the Turkey tag,
and if Cheney got his license in August (as most do), that would explain
it. Whittington didn't have one, either. Prior to the change, quail
came under the normal license (IOW, no stamp), and if Cheney has an old
lifetime license, there is some confusion over what is required. In
fact, they aren't even giving citations (just reminder warnings) for
such things until next season because of all the changes that occurred
recently with TX hunting regs - for example, "dove" stamps are now
required for all species, too.

TC,
R

wrote:

for example, "dove" stamps are now
required for all species, too.

Does that include Wepubwican wawyers?

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:01:16 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:yL9If.4297$Nq1.2570@dukeread11...

uh oh... um, i promise not to grouse while in da yoop?


Lawyer's would be out of season in September

Not with the right stamp...and besides, all you'd get is an awar...er,
bount...er, warning, anyway....


TC,
R
....actually, I think maybe that if you shoot and injure a lawyer, they
make you take a series of education classes...in marksmanship...if it
was a PI guy, they also give you a bigger gun...and more ammo...if he
had TV ads, they just go bag 'em for you...actually, that reminds me of
joke:

A guy brings his hunting partner in, after having accidentally shot him.

"Doc! Doc! Help him! Help him!," says Elmer

"Well, I probably could if you hadn't field-dressed him first..."

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:19:28 -0500, daytripper
wrote:

On 13 Feb 2006 17:02:24 -0800, wrote:

Cheney to receive citation for lack of hunting stamp!


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...61cheney1.html

"In an interview with deputies, Whittington "collaborated Vice President
Cheney's statement," according to the release...

"Collaborated", eh? That could 'splain the delay...

FWIW:

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/13863822.htm

TC,
R

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:00:34 GMT, rw
wrote:

and if Cheney got his license in August [snip]and if Cheney has an old
lifetime license, there is some confusion over what is required. In
fact, they aren't even giving citations (just reminder warnings) for
such things until next season because of all the changes that occurred
recently with TX hunting regs - for example, "dove" stamps are now
required for all species, too.

It has been reported in the media and mentioned in this thread when Mr.
Cheney got his license. I believe that would be like maybe
November? The link to the citation mentioned a warning was in order. But as
the law and order types like to say, ignorance is no excuse for the law or
some such.

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:32:07 GMT, rw
wrote:

wrote:

for example, "dove" stamps are now
required for all species, too.

Does that include Wepubwican wawyers?

Wawyers, based on other characteristics are, IIRC, lumped in with
corn-eating deer and ferwal hawgs...IOW, shoot 'em at yer leisure...or
pleasure, as the case may be...

Of course, I'd defer to real he-man hunters like you, Ken, BJ, and
others as to seasons and hunting regs...I mean, after all, I don't have
any real cool huntin' gear and stuff...I've only been (legally) hunting
in, and own and/or control hunting land, in about 15-20 jurisdictions...

HTH,
R

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Not with the right stamp...and besides, all you'd get is an awar...er,
bount...er, warning, anyway....

Maybe in Texas son, but we gonna be in da UP, ain't no one messing with the
likes of Grady Service

Wayne
for those who don't know who I am speaking
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159...lance&n=283155

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:35:06 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:00:34 GMT, rw
wrote:

and if Cheney got his license in August [snip]and if Cheney has an old
lifetime license, there is some confusion over what is required. In
fact, they aren't even giving citations (just reminder warnings) for
such things until next season because of all the changes that occurred
recently with TX hunting regs - for example, "dove" stamps are now
required for all species, too.

It has been reported in the media and mentioned in this thread when Mr.
Cheney got his license. I believe that would be like maybe
November? The link to the citation mentioned a warning was in order. But as
the law and order types like to say, ignorance is no excuse for the law or
some such.

Hey, you'll get no argument from me if your premise is that Cheney
****ed up in this. OTOH, the "HE SHOT SOMEONE!" coverage is pretty
chicken****, and the lack of the new stamp is REALLY nonsense - this has
been going on all season, and as such, the wardens aren't even issuing
cites...ever known a departmental wildlife department to beg off cites
across the board, _as an overall policy_, and _on species
stamp/licensing requirements_ right across-the-board?

TC,
R